The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Darkprime]

I just saw an article on Variety saying Mark Ruffalo has signed onto a limited series over @ HBO. Avengers 4 wraps and Evans and now Ruffalo signing onto new projects. Is ruffalo also done as Hulk?

 

[Iceman]

I think MCU Spider-Man 3 will be called "Spider-Man: Home and Away."

#1 was "Homecoming", because he had come home... or so they thought.

#2 was "Far From Home", because despite being in the MCU, he is still far from truly being home in it.

And #3 as "Home and Away" will mean that he briefly came home, but then is away again. Or they might call it "Leaving Home".

4 will be Spidey: Neighbours, 5 will be Spidey: EastEnders and 6 will be Spider-man: Coronation Street.

 

[Darkprime]

'X-Force' Director Addresses How Disney/Fox Merger Will Affect the Movie

"The truth is I don't have anything exciting to update," Goddard said in an interview with Rooster Teeth. "I tend to focus very intensely on one project at a time and I've been very much in this world. Ryan [Reynolds] has simultaneously shooting another movie and then we do have the Fox/Disney stuff. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I have any insight into that at all."

"These issues are so far above our pay grade! When you're dealing with billion dollar mergers that stuff does not trickle down to people like me," Goddard said. "I think what's going to happen is we'll finish up Bad Times [at the El Royale], Ryan will finish up his movie and when the Fox/Disney stuff is settled we'll all sit down and talk. Certainly X-Force is a comic I've always loved. These are characters I love, I love working with Ryan in a team with Josh [Brolin] and Zazie [Beetz]. If there's a place for it I'd be very excited. We'll figure it out in the back half of this year."

I kinda feel bad for the guy hes been dealt such a bad hand over the last few years. Sounds like a lot of stuff is in limbo at Fox

 

[Dark Raven]

4 will be Spidey: Neighbours, 5 will be Spidey: EastEnders and 6 will be Spider-man: Coronation Street.

Tom Holland can revert to his native English accent. Then at some point he can adopt at Cockney accent to fit in with the EastEnders.

We need a Cockney Spider-Man.

 

[Detective Conan]

Feel bad for Goddard; it won’t be the first time a comic property he was attached to helm will taken away from because of the MCU. Remember when Goddard was attached to direct Sony’s Sinister Six film before that project got the brakes pumped on it in favor of Sony’s deal with Marvel to bring Spidey into the MCU?

He’s kind of unlucky in that way.

 

[Darkprime]

Far From Home would have been a good title for Spider-Man 3. Spider-Man 2 should have been Graduation or field trip. But it is what it is.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

She-Hulk's place is in the MCU, the only place where she would actually be able to meet and interact with the Avengers and the Fantastic Four. The last thing I want is to see her trapped in the Netflix's Universe of Marvel Characters.

The new streaming shows will be produced by Marvel Studios, correct? I have been assuming they will be integrated into the MCU.

My thinking is the series could have a large portion focused on her legal career, but then she could also appear in the films for bigger action roles.

 

[Iceman]

Tom Holland can revert to his native English accent. Then at some point he can adopt at Cockney accent to fit in with the EastEnders.

We need a Cockney Spider-Man.

This can be Holland’s “M Knight Glass” where he goes from taking on the persona of Harold Bishop to Pat Butcher to Alf Stewart to Bianca to Nick Cotton in an instant, every time he gets bopped on the head or loses his train of thought.

 

[Iceman]

The new streaming shows will be produced by Marvel Studios, correct? I have been assuming they will be integrated into the MCU.

My thinking is the series could have a large portion focused on her legal career, but then she could also appear in the films for bigger action roles.

That’s a really good idea, as long as they can make the lawyer stuff compelling enough.

 

[Lip]

The new streaming shows will be produced by Marvel Studios, correct? I have been assuming they will be integrated into the MCU.

Since they're planning a Wanda and a Loki minisseries, I'm assuming that's correct. And I love the possibilities that this new streaming service can provide with series, minisseries and probably even TV movies. Especially now with FOX characters coming back home.

Man, it's a good time to be a superhero fan.

 

[Iceman]

Since they're planning a Wanda and a Loki minisseries, I'm assuming that's correct. And I love the possibilities that this new streaming service can provide with series, minisseries and probably even TV movies. Especially now with FOX characters coming back home.

Man, it's a good time to be a superhero fan.

And that can be a big deal with so many potential X-Men solo backstories and smaller non-team stories. One thing's for sure, they're never going to run out of potential material.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Since they're planning a Wanda and a Loki minisseries, I'm assuming that's correct. And I love the possibilities that this new streaming service can provide with series, minisseries and probably even TV movies. Especially now with FOX characters coming back home.

Man, it's a good time to be a superhero fan.

There are SOOOO many stories that can be told within the Marvel Universe, both big and small. The key is they need to make good choices and make sure a certain level of quality is maintained. As long as quality is maintained, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to cross freely from small-screen to big and vice-versa.

 

[Xeno]

There are SOOOO many stories that can be told within the Marvel Universe, both big and small. The key is they need to make good choices and make sure a certain level of quality is maintained. As long as quality is maintained, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to cross freely from small-screen to big and vice-versa.

Feige himself is running the Marvel Studios/MCU streaming shows, so there's no need to worry there, IMO. It would be a different story if Loeb were going to be in charge, with Perlmutter having input.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Feige himself is running the Marvel Studios/MCU streaming shows, so there's no need to worry there, IMO. It would be a different story if Loeb were going to be in charge, with Perlmutter having input.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm not going full-in yet until we've seen something, and I'm a little nervous that with different budgets, different people, different production schedules etc. as compared to the films, they won't match the films exactly for quality, but hopefully they'll have what they need and make the right choices.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Question: There seems to be growing evidence that the title for A4 will be Annihilation. Does that imply Galactus and maybe other characters.will be involved in some form, and maybe there really was a deal for, at the very least, character sharing 3ish years ago?

And if the answer is "No, that's crazy", why would a title like Annihilation (assuming that ends up being it) have been such a closely guarded secret for all this time? What does it reveal if not for the possibility of characters like Galactus? I mean, they're obviously not doing a direct translation of the Annihilation story line, so it seems, at most it might have a few, vague shared elements, so why all the secrecy?

 

[Dark Raven]

Question: There seems to be growing evidence that the title for A4 will be Annihilation. Does that imply Galactus and maybe other characters.will be involved in some form, and maybe there really was a deal for, at the very least, character sharing 3ish years ago?

And if the answer is "No, that's crazy", why would a title like Annihilation (assuming that ends up being it) have been such a closely guarded secret for all this time? What does it reveal if not for the possibility of characters like Galactus? I mean, they're obviously not doing a direct translation of the Annihilation story line, so it seems, at most it might have a few, vague shared elements, so why all the secrecy?

A4 Annihilation refers to Simon Kinberg, Scott Buck, Josh Trank and Avi Arad. They are the 4 who are taking over Marvel and will annihilate the brand entirely!

 

[Detective Conan]

Question: There seems to be growing evidence that the title for A4 will be Annihilation. Does that imply Galactus and maybe other characters.will be involved in some form, and maybe there really was a deal for, at the very least, character sharing 3ish years ago?

And if the answer is "No, that's crazy", why would a title like Annihilation (assuming that ends up being it) have been such a closely guarded secret for all this time? What does it reveal if not for the possibility of characters like Galactus? I mean, they're obviously not doing a direct translation of the Annihilation story line, so it seems, at most it might have a few, vague shared elements, so why all the secrecy?

Its revelant to point out that one of the leaked Avengers 4 merchandise which revealed some costumes for Thor and Rocket had a description that did hint at the Avengers facing a threat bigger than Thanos.

Some have speculated that when Marvel made a deal with Fox to get the rights back to Ego The Living Planet in exchange for their permission to change Teenage Negasonic Warhead’s powers they also got another character from Fox: Annilhilus.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think they should use Galactus in A4, or Silver Surfer. They should really save them for when they've properly introduced the Fantastic Four. It seems premature to use Galactus now, and we don't want the Avengers defeating him when that should involve the FF. Build him up over time. If they want to hint at Galactus, use one of his heralds like Terrax or Firelord.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Here is my problem with this idea: it doesn't tie into anything prior. It's like if in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 in the first 20 minutes, Salazar Slitheran rose from the grave, killed Voldemort and was the villain for the rest of the movie. It's stupid from a narrative standpoint. You cannot build to 1 event for 22 movies and then throw in a random threat in the conclusion of that story. In a henchman role, sure. As the main villain, doesn't work. Thanos has to be the villain in the end.

 

[Dark Raven]

Here is my problem with this idea: it doesn't tie into anything prior. It's like if in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 in the first 20 minutes, Salazar Slitheran rose from the grave, killed Voldemort and was the villain for the rest of the movie. It's stupid from a narrative standpoint. You cannot build to 1 event for 22 movies and then throw in a random threat in the conclusion of that story. In a henchman role, sure. As the main villain, doesn't work. Thanos has to be the villain in the end.

I have no idea what you were talking about with Harry Potter, but I agree.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have no idea what you were talking about with Harry Potter, but I agree.

The idea being the Harry Potter films build to this ultimate showdown between Harry and Voldemort. It's where the whole saga is leading us. My point is the MCU is doing this with Thanos. If they suddenly make someone like Annihulus the main villain, it's the same as tossing Voldemort aside for a new villain suddenly at the 11th hour. It would be a mistake that would ruin the movie for me.

 

[Dark Raven]

The idea being the Harry Potter films build to this ultimate showdown between Harry and Voldemort. It's where the whole saga is leading us. My point is the MCU is doing this with Thanos. If they suddenly make someone like Annihulus the main villain, it's the same as tossing Voldemort aside for a new villain suddenly at the 11th hour. It would be a mistake that would ruin the movie for me.

I know what your point is. I just don't know the Harry Potter characters so it's meaningless to me when you mention them.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here is my problem with this idea: it doesn't tie into anything prior. It's like if in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 in the first 20 minutes, Salazar Slitheran rose from the grave, killed Voldemort and was the villain for the rest of the movie. It's stupid from a narrative standpoint. You cannot build to 1 event for 22 movies and then throw in a random threat in the conclusion of that story.

This relates to my general feeling of confusion if it does end up being "Annihilation". Annihilation is a completely different story than what they've been building toward, and there's no way I can imagine doing even a small part of the Annihilation story line in one film - starting where they are now.

My best guess (and Detective Conan's link above might support this) is that Dr. Strange's gambit involves bringing in someone bigger than Thanos (Annihilus? Galactus? Beyonder?), and maybe that character would be mentioned/shown briefly, but only used as a tool for defeating Thanos while opening up the possibility of future stories.

That wouldn't really be the Annihilation story-line, but it could borrow some elements.

I can't recall the Beyonder's status (if he's tied up with Fox), but he could be a character they might be able to use for something like that.

... but again, I keep coming back to the idea of "What was the big secret?" Even if we know the title is "Annihilation", anything beyond that would be speculation and not revealed by that title. Except if it does imply Galactus.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This relates to my general feeling of confusion if it does end up being "Annihilation". Annihilation is a completely different story than what they've been building toward, and there's no way I can imagine doing even a small part of the Annihilation story line in one film - starting where they are now.

My best guess (and Detective Conan's link above might support this) is that Dr. Strange's gambit involves bringing in someone bigger than Thanos (Annihilus? Galactus? Beyonder?), and maybe that character would be mentioned/shown briefly, but only used as a tool for defeating Thanos while opening up the possibility of future stories.

That wouldn't really be the Annihilation story-line, but it could borrow some elements.

I can't recall the Beyonder's status (if he's tied up with Fox), but he could be a character they might be able to use for something like that.

... but again, I keep coming back to the idea of "What was the big secret?" Even if we know the title is "Annihilation", anything beyond that would be speculation and not revealed by that title. Except if it does imply Galactus.

Even bringing in a Galactus or Beyonder to defeat Thanos is sort of lazy. It's just a reverse of the same problem: what if in Harry Potter, instead of Harry defeating Voldemort, it was Godric Gryffyndor who rose from the grave to defeat him while Harry watched on the sidelines eating popcorn? It's the same garbage ending. At the end of the day, Thanos has to be the villain and his defeat must be at the hands of the Avengers. No Random Character X can have a major role like that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Even bringing in a Galactus or Beyonder to defeat Thanos is sort of lazy. It's just a reverse of the same problem: what if in Harry Potter, instead of Harry defeating Voldemort, it was Godric Gryffyndor who rose from the grave to defeat him while Harry watched on the sidelines eating popcorn? It's the same garbage ending. At the end of the day, Thanos has to be the villain and his defeat must be at the hands of the Avengers. No Random Character X can have a major role like that.

I think that could be highly dependent on implementation. If the Avengers just find Galactus and then stand idly by while he does all the heavy lifting, yeah, that wouldn't be very satisfying. But if, for example, they use Galactus as the distraction that gives them the opening they need to defeat the otherwise undefeatable, Thanos, I could see that working.

My thing with Galactus is I would like to see him as the huge threat they spend the next 10 films building toward. They could potentially do that with a brief appearance in A4, but my biggest fear is IF Galactus does show up, I don't want them doing anything that could jeopardize an otherwise potentially very satisfying slow, steady build toward a confrontation with Galactus in the future.