The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Lilbaz]

Seriously - there is no way in hell F4-2 is happening now. Michael B. Jordan would never have been able to sign on to a competing studio's super-hero flick unless BOTH Marvel and Fox know that a sequel isn't happening.

Think about it. Why would Marvel cast MBJ in another superhero movie unless they were assured that he would not star as the Human Torch anymore? There are numerous great actors out there that could have played the role but they cast MBJ anyways. They would never cast him if he was still signed on to star in another superhero franchise; would confuse filmgoers.

Me thinks the deal is done, because Marvel is clearly sure that a sequel isn't happening.

Kinsberg is not a studio exec.

A sequel might not happen but that doesn't mean the rights have reverted or a deal has been made.

 

[SyntaxError]

A sequel might not happen but that doesn't mean the rights have reverted or a deal has been made.

Right, I think everyone agrees on that.

But why would MARVEL cast him. They must know something. They wouldn't have signed MBJ on unless they were ASSURED that Fox would not make a sequel.

And how would Marvel be sure of that?
1. Fox tells them they won't make a sequel?
2. They have the rights back.

Why would a Fox exec walk up to Feige and tell him they aren't making a sequel? To me the second scenario is the only possibility, in which case the rights are back.

Call me delusional.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

 

[First Avenger]

I don't think this news means the deal is done but Fox wouldn't have let him join the MCU if they still had plans for Failt4stic.

 

[SyntaxError]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

Unless they intend to put heavy makeup on him and make him completely unrecognisable, there is no way Marvel would be willing to cast MBJ when there is a sea of young black actors that could very much do well in what looks to be a supporting role.

Fox would also have iron-clad legal stipulations in their contract that preclude MBJ from signing on to a competing super-hero franchise.

 

[SyntaxError]

I don't think this news means the deal is done but Fox wouldn't have let him join the MCU if they still had plans for Failt4stic.

Yep.

And Marvel would also have to know that, and there's only one way that I could imagine that they would.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If we don't get an announcement at Comic-Con, that will mark the 6 year point until Fox needs to start production.

That's a blink of the eye in this world. Marvel is already planning the films they'll be releasing 6 years from now.

Every Comic-con that comes and goes without any news is one year closer to Fox no longer being able to abuse the FF.

It's actually sort of encouraging that Kinberg is talking about the ridiculous prospect of a sequel. If he was saying they were planning to start fresh five years from now, I'd be more nervous.

 

[Lilbaz]

Right, I think everyone agrees on that.

But why would MARVEL cast him. They must know something. They wouldn't have signed MBJ on unless they were ASSURED that Fox would not make a sequel.

And how would Marvel be sure of that?
1. Fox tells them they won't make a sequel?
2. They have the rights back.

Why would a Fox exec walk up to Feige and tell him they aren't making a sequel? To me the second scenario is the only possibility, in which case the rights are back.

Call me delusional.

Chris Evans joined Marvel. Didn't mean they got the rights back for FF.

I really hope you are right though.

 

[wobbly]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

It doesn't automatically preclude him but it does suggest that as far as MJB is concerned he is (wisely) done with the part and more than willing to move on.

Seriously, as far as I know only one actor in anything like a major role has appeared in an ongoing CMB franchise by 2 different studios at the same time, and that was Halle Berry (Catwoman for WB, while still playing Storm for Fox).

Reynolds, Evans, JD Morgan and probably some others have appeared in different roles, but not at the same time for 'live' franchises.

So in theory, sure, MJB could still return as Johnny, but seriously, why the hell would he even want that at all? None of that cast will look at FFINO with anything but contempt for tarnishing their resumes.

And I doubt Marvel would have signed him up if they knew he was still actively contractually tied to Fox for Johnny. They have not cast anyone in a significant role still tied to one from another CBM so far, I don't see why they would start now.

 

[Tilapia]

Chris Evans joined Marvel. Didn't mean they got the rights back for FF.

I really hope you are right though.

FF3 was long dead. It had been a three years after Evans had played Storm. Fox had basically confirmed a reboot late 2009.

Obviously Fox cannot produce a sequel to this because they lost a hundred million dollars. But what they can do is make a spinoff or a SS movie. Johnny Storm will probably be recast if he appears again. Teller and Jordan have been getting good roles lately. He's opposite Jonah Hill in War Dogs this summer. Jordan has Creed and BP movies to come. Their price tag would be too high. I doubt they signed a traditional, locked in three picture deal, given all the uncertainty with the franchise and Trank's issues. Plus the contracts are probably voided anyhow with clauses pertaining to low box office receipts or commensurate salaries for sequels.

And I agree with Wobbly, Marvel will never chase any X-Men FC actors for other characters either, until said actors leave X-Men permanently. There is no need for a studio to pay that price tag to lure a top actor from a rival franchise, and no motivation for an actor to star in multiple comicbook franchises at the same time. Burnout happens to everyone.

 

[ernesth100]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

True as much as I hate to admit it they could easily recast him.

 

[chamber-music]

FF at Fox is the equivalent of a bad amateur handyman wrecking his own house while his wife pleads with him to just call a contractor and he insists, "No, honey, I think I finally figured out what the problem is," while simultaneously destroying the plumbing, foundation, and electrics.

 

[Hero_of_Time98]

I have read quite a few posts saying that it's only a matter of time before X-Men returns to Marvel. Do people really expect that to happen? Fox has a pretty solid hold on the X-Men Universe. The last two films, X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool, have made over $1.4 billion in the box office combined. They have X-Men related films mapped out for years to come and the only way they lose the rights is if they stop production altogether. Unless Disney full on buys Fox, I just don't see X-Men coming back to Marvel anytime soon. Same with Spider-Man. Even though Sony made the deal with Marvel to have Spider-Man in the MCU, Sony isn't going to let Spider-Man go anytime soon as well. The Fantastic Four, maybe, if Fox truly gives up on it but not Spider-Man and X-Men.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

FF at Fox is the equivalent of a bad amateur handyman wrecking his own house while his wife pleads with him to just call a contractor and he insists, "No, honey, I think I finally figured out what the problem is," while simultaneously destroying the plumbing, foundation, and electrics.

I'm wondering if there's a single person out there, other than Simon Kinberg, who wants another Fox FF film.

 

[wobbly]

I for one do not expect X-Men to revert for a long long time.

At best Disney & Fox might (big might) have a crossover collaboration event down the line, but that's as far as I'd go.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

ok, now you're definitely in the wrong here

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I don't understand this notion that MJB joining the MCU automatically precludes him from possibly returning as Johnny in an F4 sequel, but whatever.

ok, now you're definitely in the wrong here

I think the fact that MBJ isn't a blithering idiot precludes him from returning in a sequel.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

when has any high profile actor ever jumped ship from the MCU to play a different super hero from the direct competition? It's never happening, Jordan is done with the F4, just like everyone else involved with that disaster.... except for maybe Simon Kinberg, who is certifiably delusional at this point

 

[Raiden]

I have read quite a few posts saying that it's only a matter of time before X-Men returns to Marvel. Do people really expect that to happen? Fox has a pretty solid hold on the X-Men Universe. The last two films, X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool, have made over $1.4 billion in the box office combined. They have X-Men related films mapped out for years to come and the only way they lose the rights is if they stop production altogether. Unless Disney full on buys Fox, I just don't see X-Men coming back to Marvel anytime soon. Same with Spider-Man. Even though Sony made the deal with Marvel to have Spider-Man in the MCU, Sony isn't going to let Spider-Man go anytime soon as well. The Fantastic Four, maybe, if Fox truly gives up on it but not Spider-Man and X-Men.

X-Men isn't going back to Marvel for another 50 years imo, but FF definitely has a strong chance of going back home.

 

[Tilapia]

I think they will reboot the MCU with the X-Men from the beginning... OR, they will introduce a massive event on a global scale, similar to The Inhumans, where there is some catalyst to induce genetic alterations in the entire population, in some subsequent Phase following IW.

All the mutant histories, including Magneto/Xavier will be reworked into the modern day, so there wouldn't be a WWII flashback or rehashes from the Cold War era and so on, so forth.

The problem with that approach is that all the Avengers will be retired or too old in the continuity by then, so it would be pointless if the idea is for X-Men to be interacting with Avengers in the same films. Only the "Immortal" Avengers like Thor would remain. The best solution is to keep the universes separate indefinitely. Once all properties revert, pick an apt time to reboot.

Honestly, Marvel has to start scaling back after IW and move to smaller, self contained stories like Rogue One. IW I/II will be the most expensive movies of all time, and it's unlikely to match Avengers type box office numbers looking at Civil War and Ultron, which were bigger in scope but failed to match Avengers. Scale back with character driven solo movies.

 

[ernesth100]

FF at Fox is the equivalent of a bad amateur handyman wrecking his own house while his wife pleads with him to just call a contractor and he insists, "No, honey, I think I finally figured out what the problem is," while simultaneously destroying the plumbing, foundation, and electrics.

That is the most accurate comparison I've heard thus far.

 

[Orba]

Lets be honest, films like Fan4stic don't get sequels, they kill sequels.

 

[Chris B]

While Kinberg's comments may've thrown some water on the notion that Marvel got the FF back in exchange for giving away the X-Men TV rights, I'm still optimistic that the FF will find their way into the MCU someday for the reasons others have already outlined. Fox isn't going to make cheap FF films every 7-8 years in perpetuity only to play keep away with Marvel.

 

[Chris B]

I have read quite a few posts saying that it's only a matter of time before X-Men returns to Marvel. Do people really expect that to happen? Fox has a pretty solid hold on the X-Men Universe. The last two films, X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool, have made over $1.4 billion in the box office combined. They have X-Men related films mapped out for years to come and the only way they lose the rights is if they stop production altogether. Unless Disney full on buys Fox, I just don't see X-Men coming back to Marvel anytime soon. Same with Spider-Man. Even though Sony made the deal with Marvel to have Spider-Man in the MCU, Sony isn't going to let Spider-Man go anytime soon as well. The Fantastic Four, maybe, if Fox truly gives up on it but not Spider-Man and X-Men.

I don't think it far fetched that Marvel could do a Sony-like sharing deal with Fox for the X-Men at some point. But I wouldn't expect it too happen anytime soon.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

A little over a week ago (when it was just a few of us because there wasn't any breaking news) we had a discussion about a presumed 'quality clause' in the contract starting on this page: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=512575&page=16

If there is a quality clause (and I'd be willing to bet there is - we just don't know the exact wording) and Fox tried to make a sequel to Fant4stic, I think lawyers would probably get involved.