The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Big Bang]

Guys, what happens to this thread once Marvel works out deals with Universal and Fox for Hulk, Namor, FF and X-Men?

It will become the "Hope Springs Eternal: The rights are home" thread, where we will gush about everything they can do now.

 

[Dasher10]

It will become the "Hope Springs Eternal: The rights are home" thread, where we will gush about everything they can do now.

Well they can kind of do stuff with Hulk and Namor, they just can't put them in their own life action film but they can make them Avengers.

The Fantastic Four need to revert. I don't see how Fox can win. Fox should give up their cut of X-Men merch so they can afford to cut their marketing budget in exchange for the FF since I can't see a sequel working unless it goes low-budget which means getting rid of Thing for most scenes. Plus Fox did kill off a character who was a combination of both Doom and Annihilus and when you get rid of the FF's two greatest enemies, it feels too much like scraping the bottom of the barrel to use anyone else and Galactus would require a massive budget + it would just be repeating the path that the Tim Story films took. Rebooting at the same studio so soon after a flop also feels like a mistake. The only thing that can save them now is a hard reboot in the MCU regardless of which studio releases it and I don't even want a new FF film until 2020.

With the X-Men, the only way that I feel like both fans and Marvel can win is if Fox retain production rights and both studios have some level of creative control with Feige having equal input with Singer, Kinberg and Donner as to how the films are made, script and costume approval, etc. They'd need some sort of event film to merge universes. Like if the X-Men reverted in full, Marvel would need to handle the X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force and New Mutants and produce solo films for Wolverine, Deadpool, Gambit, X-23 and Cable and that's way too much for Marvel Studios' production schedule. Even with three films a year, that's way too much if Marvel ever want to give Black Widow, War Machine, Hawkeye, Falcon or Winter Soldier a solo film. Now with it confirmed that Marvel's TV side are working on Moon Knight, Blade, Ghost Rider and Cloak and Dagger, the only characters that Marvel own who can support their own title who haven't appeared in the MCU yet - or aren't slated to appear like Inhumans or Shang Chi - are the Eternals. Marvel are stacked and Fox are ramping up their production schedule. If the X-Men completely reverted to Marvel, then we'd have to see some of these options taken off the table with fewer solo films than Phases 1-3.

I mean, both studios feel limited. The Guardians of the Galaxy could really use the Shi'Ar and Badoon who are at Fox. Captain Marvel could use the Brood. Black Panther would benefit from Storm. Agents of SHIELD would benefit from Abigail Brand and GW Bridge. Rogue, Beast, Gambit, Prodigy, Wolverine, Havok, Cable, Deadpool and Storm have all joined the Avengers. And on Fox's side, Namor, Spider-Man and Captain Marvel have joined the X-Men in the comics and Wolverine has a long history with Captain America, Black Widow and Elektra while Jean Grey has connections to Misty Knight and Jessica Jones. Both universes would benefit from a merge. I just don't feel like a merge can or should happen while Fox hold on to the Fantastic Four and Universal act like petty children and refuse to let Marvel make a Hulk or Namor film.

 

[Avid Avenger]

Now with it confirmed that Marvel's TV side are working on Moon Knight, Blade, Ghost Rider

Where is that confirmed? It's literally a rumor that I've seen (which is also more speculation than rumor.)

 

[First Avenger]

So X-Men Apocalypse is a mess,I don't see it making Big bucks.

 

[jaymes_e06]

IMDB says the gen. audience like it though.

 

[First Avenger]

IMDB says the gen. audience like it though.

It went from 8,3 to 7,7 in a week and it still hasn't come out in many places,and honestly imdb is not reliable being full of uncontrolled trolls.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

IMDB says the gen. audience like it though.

IMDB is a horrible place to gauge the GA opinion on something, especially before the movie even fully comes out.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

There's probably enough of a built-in audience for X-Men that they'll at least break even. But since they were probably hoping to beat or even surpass DOFP, it's almost certain to be a disappointment.

I won't be there unless Fox and/or Marvel announce a deal for the FF rights before it opens.

 

[Flint Marko]

IMDB says the gen. audience like it though.

You do know that isn't a solid metric to begin with, let alone the fact that it hasn't even released in the states yet?

 

[First Avenger]

It will go down,you could make an argument that The Last Stand was actually a better movie.

 

[metaphysician]

Guys, what happens to this thread once Marvel works out deals with Universal and Fox for Hulk, Namor, FF and X-Men?

Then there will be no more need for hope, because all has come to pass as it should.

However, this is specifically about the FF rights returning. Namor and Hulk are side issues, and few people even *want* the X-Men back.

 

[metaphysician]

Where is that confirmed? It's literally a rumor that I've seen (which is also more speculation than rumor.)

Its not confirmed, and I don't believe it for a second. Its a rumor containing nothing other than three oft-called-for characters, that fans have talked about wanting on Netflix for a while. Also, Ghost Rider is not affordable on a Netflix budget, unless you want the Rider not actually appearing in most eps, or laughably bad special effects.

 

[metaphysician]

IMDB is a horrible place to gauge the GA opinion on something, especially before the movie even fully comes out.

I'm comfortable saying IMDB is the absolute worst measure of any of the movie rating means available. "Rolling a ten-sided die" would have more correlation with reality.

 

[Endeavor]

It will go down,you could make an argument that The Last Stand was actually a better movie.

You're kidding!

You saw it, or you're going off opinions?

It can't be that bad. The Crap Stand is horrible

 

[First Avenger]

You're kidding!

You saw it, or you're going off opinions?

It can't be that bad. The Crap Stand is horrible

I saw it here in Italy. It's a disappointing mess imo. It has the same problems as Last Stand but X3 at least had a political undertone which was in line with the rest of the franchise while the execution was mediocre. Apocalypse has literally nothing unique or memorable,it's like they took bits from previous x-movies meshing them together without coherence. Oh and I'm not the only one saying X3 is better.

 

[Endeavor]

I saw it here in Italy. It's a disappointing mess imo. It has the same problems as Last Stand but X3 at least had a political undertone which was in line with the rest of the franchise while the execution was mediocre. Apocalypse has literally nothing unique or memorable,it's like they took bits from previous x-movies meshing them together without coherence. Oh and I'm not the only one saying X3 is better.

Yikes

Okay, thanks.

 

[First Avenger]

Yikes

Okay, thanks.

Hey you could always like it more than me!

 

[Endeavor]

Hey you could always like it more than me!

We'll see. I don't expect much to begin with. I don't have a high opinion of the people in charge of this franchise, much less the studio.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm going in with fairly low expectations and an open mind, so I think that might work out in the film's favor.

 

[jaymes_e06]

It went from 8,3 to 7,7 in a week and it still hasn't come out in many places,and honestly imdb is not reliable being full of uncontrolled trolls.

IMDB is a horrible place to gauge the GA opinion on something, especially before the movie even fully comes out.

You do know that isn't a solid metric to begin with, let alone the fact that it hasn't even released in the states yet?

Of course it is. Much better than here for damn sure as it gives the largest number of differing opinions. What other way is there to gauge that many opinions? So CW's IMDB score isn't a proper gauge of how the general public liked it? You're all being silly...

 

[Dark Raven]

I mentioned this in the Marisa Tomei thread.

Remember this comic?

At the time it seemed a bit of a silly comic. But now with Marisa in the role, she could realistically become the herald of Galactus in the MCU (if Marvel got the FF rights back) and it wouldn't seem ridiculous at all.

Can you imagine her as the herald of Galactus in the vein of Frankie Raye:

 

[Flint Marko]

Of course it is. Much better than here for damn sure as it gives the largest number of differing opinions. What other way is there to gauge that many opinions? So CW's IMDB score isn't a proper gauge of how the general public liked it? You're all being silly...

Again: it hasn't even opened up in the biggest market yet. Even if I did trust that or any other online source to accurately speak for the general audience (money, cold hard numbers, do a far better job than that), it's still an incomplete picture.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I mentioned this in the Marisa Tomei thread.

Remember this comic?

At the time it seemed a bit of a silly comic. But now with Marisa in the role, she could realistically become the herald of Galactus in the MCU (if Marvel got the FF rights back) and it wouldn't seem ridiculous at all.

Can you imagine her as the herald of Galactus in the vein of Frankie Raye:

Sorry, but if the FF and Galactus join Spider-man and the rest of the MCU, that story will likely be low enough on the list of priorities that Marisa Tomei will be in her 80's by the time they get to it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Sorry, but if the FF and Galactus join Spider-man and the rest of the MCU, that story will likely be low enough on the list of priorities that Marisa Tomei will be in her 80's by the time they get to it.

They'll bump it up to the top just to have Marisa covered head to toe in gold paint like the golden girl from Goldfinger.

 

[Val_Zod]

Sorry, but if the FF and Galactus join Spider-man and the rest of the MCU, that story will likely be low enough on the list of priorities that Marisa Tomei will be in her 80's by the time they get to it.

But then she'd be a more accurate screen representation of Aunt May.