The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Dark Raven]

Some of us will still keep hoping that the rights revert and FOX never tries anything with the characters again.

And what happens when you're the one that's wrong?

Stick around to admit it like all the other FFINO defenders.

 

[Endeavor]

^

You're starting your own 'What If' fanfic I see.

 

[Dark Raven]

"What If FFINO had been successful?"

But you know, nearly all the "What If" issues had a Twilight Zone-type twist where things didn't end so well for the protagonist or someone else.

Eg: "What if Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four?" - Sue leaves Reed for Namor because she feels ignored on the team now that Spidey has taken her place and there are only 4 seats in the Fantasticar (because Reed never thought to build a 5-seater).

"What if the Hulk always had Bruce Banner's Brain?" - Hulk, Professor X and Reed Richards merge into the X-Man, but lose all their powers and possibly fall into some hole with no way to climb out.

So the FFINO defenders would've still ended up in the dog house along with Trank's pets.

 

[Endeavor]

Lol

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Some of us will still keep hoping that the rights revert and FOX never tries anything with the characters again.

Yeah. I don't think it's that complicated. I think most of us hope to get news soon, but will continue to hope as long as it takes. It's not like I'm going to kill myself if we don't get a cool announcement at Comic-Con.

 

[First Avenger]

Is 7.6 on IMDB even that great?

Seems a little better than 51% on RT, but it doesn't seem like anything to get excited about.

Imdb ratings really don't count with all the trolls on it. It's a good rating but it'll go down.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Imdb ratings really don't count with all the trolls on it. It's a good rating but it'll go down.

The Last Stand is 6.8. It will only have to go down another 0.8 to match that.

 

[First Avenger]

The Last Stand is 6.8. It will only have to go down another 0.8 to match that.

Yep.

 

[Darth_Spock]

Not sure why we're talking about XM:A, but by my math:

(For reference, here is Deadline's estimates on XMOFP profit margins. With a lesser budget, the film was estimated to have earned 77.48M in profit off a 745M gross. http://deadline.com/2015/03/x-men-days-of-future-past-profit-box-office-2014-1201389620/)

234M production
130M marketing (minimum, conservative estimate says same as DOFP (see article), but most tentpoles cost around 160M these days)

Thats 360 -> so 720 to break even (around).

But theres also:
100M participations (DOFP cost as much. Fassbender, Lawrence, McAvoy are not cheap. Singer, as a seasoned director and experienced hand, will have a fair share too(think JJ Abrams in SW:TFA))
~30M Residuals/off-the-tops (Marvel cut, distributor cut etc.)

So...720 + 130; 850 to break even by my estimate.

From the films international opening and tracking domestic, projecting a ~700 final gross, which leaves it firmly in the red until ancilliary revenues kick in.

I think I can answer that.

If SDCC turns out with no new news on it reverting the next theory could be that if Fox can't even turn a profit on their X-men franchise (which should be a billion dollar cash cow by now) Then why would they bother with another Fantastic Four?

Depending on how much they'd loose with this film the profits made from Deadpool could end up being a wash when you count what Fan4stic lost them.

Not saying there will be a Fox/Marvel fire sale but it does put a lot more pressure on Wolverine III and discussions about what to do with the Fantastic Four should be a little more optimistic in Marvel's favor.

 

[SyntaxError]

I'm not too optimistic about news during SDCC. I think Marvel will want to keep the spotlight on its upcoming films instead of bringing up F4, even if the rights are back. Especially since the earliest date for a F4 MCU reboot would be 2020.

 

[Darth_Spock]

The Last Stand is 6.8. It will only have to go down another 0.8 to match that.

Fascinating!

So much for needing a statistics class!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm not too optimistic about news during SDCC. I think Marvel will want to keep the spotlight on its upcoming films instead of bringing up F4, even if the rights are back. Especially since the earliest date for a F4 MCU reboot would be 2020.

IF ( a big hypothetical ) Marvel has the rights, I'd expect them to announce it at Comic Con for a couple reasons.

1. It will be big news and get attention for them. It won't distract from their other content because it will draw attention to them in general and attention on them in general will help them get attention for their other projects. If DC/WB 'wins' comic-con by having something bigger, then people will be talking about them and their projects rather than Marvel and Marvel projects.

2. The news will come out at some point and they will likely be including some FF related characters in Infinity Wars if they have them, so they'll have to make an announcement some time. Why not comic-con?

I think there's a good chance they already have the rights and a good chance they'll announce at Comic-Con. That's by no means a certainty, but it wouldn't be crazy if it happened.

 

[Darth_Spock]

3. If they do have the F4 rights the earliest that they could be implemented is in Black Panther. Granted 90% of the cast is said to be Black but what if 4% of the remaining 10% are a cameo of you know who...?

 

[Random490]

3. If they do have the F4 rights the earliest that they could be implemented is in Black Panther. Granted 90% of the cast is said to be Black but what if 4% of the remaining 10% are a cameo of you know who...?

Well Black Panther was first introduced in an F4 comic. But I doubt any deal lets them use the F4 that soon. And I don't Marvel would want to rush casting them, specially considering their film history. I would say even IW is a stretch. I could see Marvel pushing the agreement to have them appear, but with so many characters already at their disposal I'm not sure they'd want to add more, beyond say a cameo.

 

[Darth_Spock]

Well remember we're trying to stay hopeful here while living in a reality where Simon Kinberg is still lobbying for a 4stick sequel with the same cast in the near future.

So with that in mind is hoping for a cameo or Easter egg of the Fantastic 4 in the upcoming BP movie really that out of the question 2 years from now provided Marvel has the rights by then and have a cast that captures their essence?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Infinity wars seems the perfect story to introduce Reed Richards, Victor Von Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer - even if they're just mentioned and not featured.

It would be cool to see something in Black Panther, but except for the comics connection, it doesn't seem like as good a fit.

I'm just glad that (now that Fox has made most of my FF comic books worthless) FF #52 should be worth something now.

But without knowing what the BP story is, who knows. . .

 

[KevanG]

Is Corman or Sossone still around? They should direct the next FF movie. They did the first pretty good with the very small amount they had so lets give them a few hundred million and see what happens.

 

[OcStat]

If Marvel does get the rights, that doesn't necessarily mean they will use the characters right away.

We know from the Spider-Man deal that they worked him into the next upcoming movie. But they had two scripts prepared, one with and one without Spider-Man. The characters new debut was probably fast tracked due to Sony's scheduling wants.

When Marvel got the rights back for Daredevil, it took several years before anything was actually done with him. Blade and Ghost Rider are still in the toybox.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Hmmmm....



http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=28786305&postcount=607

What was that about only speaking of this because it "fits my narrative"?

I'll say it again because you ignored it the first time: the box office, including opening weekend numbers as well as the next few week trends, combined with a number of other factors, do a far better job of speaking for the general audience than one website that you yourself even refer to as a "cesspool for idiots".

You make no sense... I said there are outliers and the context I was speaking of in message you stalked like a weirdo to find like a deranged person it pertained to the members who frequent the message boards... but nice try. Not all of the people who vote frequent the boards hence the "outlier" term I used.

The box office has nothing to do with a films quality... sometimes but not always do good films get rewarded with high returns and vise versa. I'm still right as you clearly have not shown a more definitive way of showing a film quality.

 

[Flint Marko]

You make no sense... I said there are outliers and the context I was speaking of in message you stalked like a weirdo to find like a deranged person it pertained to the members who frequent the message boards... but nice try.

You mean by using the search bar where it took me to that post in like 5 seconds? How deranged

The box office has nothing to do with a films quality... sometimes but not always do good films get rewarded with high returns and vise versa. I'm still right as you clearly have not shown a more definitive way of showing a film quality.

Since when have we been discussing a film's quality? You're either moving the goal posts, or you missed the point. You originally claimed that IMDB was a good metric for gauging the GA's opinions on movies, and then I and several other people have disagreed with you. Feel free to peruse this thread to find numerous other posters debunking your original claim.
I then posited that the best way of showing the GA's opinion on a certain film is to observe the box office trends as well as a variety of other factors, as looking to just one source (particularly one online community where countless users have voted before seeing said film) can significantly skew the results.

 

[Darth_Spock]

When Marvel got the rights back for Daredevil, it took several years before anything was actually done with him. Blade and Ghost Rider are still in the toybox.

2 years.

Marvel Studios officially announced that they got Daredevil back on 4/23/13

Daredevil Season 1 aired on 4/10/15. But to be fair DD has been sitting on Fox's shelf for like 10 years in order for that to happen. But I doubt Marvel would have them sit that long if they got them back today.

 

[chestnu1]

2 years.

Marvel Studios officially announced that they got Daredevil back on 4/23/13

Daredevil Season 1 aired on 4/10/15. But to be fair DD has been sitting on Fox's shelf for like 10 years in order for that to happen. But I doubt Marvel would have them sit that long if they got them back today.

True but they announced that there would be a daredevil show on Netflix along with all the defenders related shows a few months later in November of 2013.

 

[Chris B]

I agree that the IW films would be a good place to introduce a pre-powered Reed Richards. At the end, he could mention that he is planning a space expedition and you could have a mid-credits scene in Part 2 that show him and the others being exposed to the cosmic rays, with the FF film being one of the 2020 releases.

 

[Kanon]

I agree that the IW films would be a good place to introduce a pre-powered Reed Richards. At the end, he could mention that he is planning a space expedition and you could have a mid-credits scene in Part 2 that show him and the others being exposed to the cosmic rays, with the FF film being one of the 2020 releases.

Or have Richards and the mission exposed to cosmic radiation in a research mission in the 3rd act of IW 1 (just that, maaaaaaaaaaybe a glimpse at the transformation). I could get excited about that

 

[jaymes_e06]

You mean by using the search bar where it took me to that post in like 5 seconds? How deranged



Since when have we been discussing a film's quality? You're either moving the goal posts, or you missed the point. You originally claimed that IMDB was a good metric for gauging the GA's opinions on movies, and then I and several other people have disagreed with you. Feel free to peruse this thread to find numerous other posters debunking your original claim.
I then posited that the best way of showing the GA's opinion on a certain film is to observe the box office trends as well as a variety of other factors, as looking to just one source (particularly one online community where countless users have voted before seeing said film) can significantly skew the results.

Yeah exactly... I wouldnever do that with you because I don't care anyting about you though you clearly contradict yourself more than most. You brought something up that had nothing to do with the original response...

Again YOU make no sense and who has "debunked" anything using anything other than their opinions? I backed up my claim with research based on statistical analysis. There is an obvious diffrence and btw Winter Soldier and Captain America TFA are both in the same range as Apocalypse on IMDB so (7.8 and 6.8 respectively).

Actually TFA is low overall which goes to show that what fanboys love isn't what the gen audience always does too.

Atm Apocalypse is doing fine. It could go down and I've already conceded to that.