The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 4

[Darth_Spock]

That's fascinating seeing that season 3 of AOS has a 100% RT rating. In any case I doubt that show will even be on the air by the time the real Inhumans show up in films.

 

[Spiderine]

Both FOX and Sony were showing a desperation to start a cinematic universe. Which I personally think was a bad idea for both. But let's be real here.......FOX actually has a broad character base in the X-verse that can spawn a few films. Sony didn't have a pot to piss in. They wanted to expand a cinematic universe based solely on Spidey. Thats just moronic. And the ideas that were spewing from them could make your stomach turn.

THANK GOD Amazins Spidey 2 was a disappointment. Sony was ridiculous. This doesn't make FOX any smarter either........but DAMN......WTF was Sony thinking?

 

[jaymes_e06]

That's fascinating seeing that season 3 of AOS has a 100% RT rating. In any case I doubt that show will even be on the air by the time the real Inhumans show up in films.

Is that why they are retooling their plans on the ABC TV shows and pulling back on expanding it? Because it's so well recieved?

 

[Zarex]

Is that why they are retooling their plans on the ABC TV shows and pulling back on expanding it? Because it's so well recieved?

Because superhero shows have proven to be less than ideal fits on the Big 4 Networks. Gotham and AOS, both superhero adjacent at best, are the last ones standing.

In any case, Marvel Television's treatment of Nuhumans on ABC has absolutely nothing to do with how Marvel Studios will handle Inhumans (or X-Men) on the Big screen. (Personally, I only care about the FF rights reverting).

 

[wobbly]

AOS has been falling in the all important ratings so I could see the next season being the last, and Marvel might look at Netflix rather than network as the best option to to continue expansion on the small screen.

I've liked the show myself but if people ain't tuning in then it can't last.

 

[Flint Marko]

Four seasons is a respectable run. If a show wasn't "well-recieved" it wouldn't have lasted that long.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Because superhero shows have proven to be less than ideal fits on the Big 4 Networks. Gotham and AOS, both superhero adjacent at best, are the last ones standing.

In any case, Marvel Television's treatment of Nuhumans on ABC has absolutely nothing to do with how Marvel Studios will handle Inhumans (or X-Men) on the Big screen. (Personally, I only care about the FF rights reverting).

Idk the people who were in charge of MCU until after AoU were the show runners of AoS. So why wouldn't they try to bridge a gap when they are in the same universe dealing with the same kind of subject matter. I think that's one of the reasons they pulled back on The Inhumans to try to rethink their approach for the franchise.


I agree the one I care about right now is FF. That's my main priority atm.

 

[sleekstereo]

I know the FF/X-Men script has been rumored, but I haven't read anything definite regarding a script. I doubt merging a struggling franchise with a dead one is in the studio's best interests.

Ike may have lost Marvel Studios, but he's still a major player at the Disney. Reports have suggested that he played a key role in removing Tom Staggs from the CEO in waiting role, and is a huge influence on up and coming Disney execs. As a major shareholder, he 's going to make the decision that makes the most money for the Mouse.


http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/05/disney-bob-iger-stepping-down

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...cost-cutters-gaining-clout-in-post-staggs-era

Robert Meyer Burnett (Collider Heroes) mentioned on the show a couple of times that there is a script, he knows the people who wrote it.

 

[Sithborg]

What I don't understand is why anyone who likes the X-Men would want Fox to continue to fumble with them. Eight of the fourteen Marvel films Fox has made have been lower than 60% on RT (as have two of six X-Men films... or three of eight counting Wolverine).

Will New Mutants be Deadpool or Fant4stic? There's no way to say. Fox has released one good, one bad and one terrible Marvel film over the past year. Having Fox make a film featuring characters you want to see done right is like playing Russian Roulette with 4 bullets in the cylinder. Maybe you'll get lucky - odds say you won't.

Marvel spends more money,introduces new characters with much more success and consistently makes better films than Fox. X-Men fans should be begging for Marvel to get involved rather than continuing to roll the dice with Fox.

I love the X-men. And generally love the X-men movies I've gotten. I love Apocalypse. Yes, there is justifiable criticisms of the film. But I left the theater more pumped than any of the MCU output ever. One's personal opinions is not reality.

New blood is needed. But that is true for every franchise that is this old. How confident are you of how the MCU will be received when it gets to 16 years old?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

How confident are you of how the MCU will be received when it gets to 16 years old?

Marvel hasn't made a single film that came close to being as bad as ANY of the three Fox FF films. I'll take my chances with Marvel and not think twice about it.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I love the X-men. And generally love the X-men movies I've gotten. I love Apocalypse. Yes, there is justifiable criticisms of the film. But I left the theater more pumped than any of the MCU output ever. One's personal opinions is not reality.

New blood is needed. But that is true for every franchise that is this old. How confident are you of how the MCU will be received when it gets to 16 years old?

All of this!

 

[Aztec]

I love the X-men. And generally love the X-men movies I've gotten. I love Apocalypse. Yes, there is justifiable criticisms of the film. But I left the theater more pumped than any of the MCU output ever. One's personal opinions is not reality.

New blood is needed. But that is true for every franchise that is this old. How confident are you of how the MCU will be received when it gets to 16 years old?

Hey Simon, how are you?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I liked Sony's Spider-Man films, but when I saw what Marvel did in Civil War, I realized how lacking the Sony films were.

If Simon Kinberg is heavily in involved in New Mutants and X-Force and he makes the same kind of 'improvements' that he and Trank made with FF and Fox gives the films $100 million budgets and generally treats them like dead raccoons . . . maybe some X-fans will start to understand.

I honestly hope that doesn't happen . . . but I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[wobbly]

I love the X-men. And generally love the X-men movies I've gotten. I love Apocalypse. Yes, there is justifiable criticisms of the film. But I left the theater more pumped than any of the MCU output ever. One's personal opinions is not reality.

New blood is needed. But that is true for every franchise that is this old. How confident are you of how the MCU will be received when it gets to 16 years old?

Well, they are half way there at 8 years, on 13 films, 4 TV series (the Netflix ones being the best received), and still going strong. Plus new blood is coming: Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel and the no small addition of a certain Spider-Man.

X-Men by comparison was faltering at 6 years with X3, and near flat-lined at 9 years with Origins (First Class and DOFP resurrected them). Daredevil limped its way to getting the god awful Elekra and the FF never took off at all, and under Fox is dead and rotting away in the water.

So it's easy to say at this time (a few mis-fires can change things fast) but I'm confident that the MCU in 2022 will still be doing fine as long as they keep making quality films and tv series and make good use of the characters many might not consider would even be on the radar (GOTG and Ant-man are great examples of them doing that). The biggest test will be if/when they choose to retire or recast any existing big name characters.

The possibility of 'fatigue' is ever present of course, but mixing things up, exploring the many sub genres available to them with new characters can stave that off, and I'd say Marvel have already been doing that in any event.

 

[Endeavor]

If Kinberg is involved with NM and XForce I just wont watch those movies.
I've despised his writing since Mr & Mrs Smith, I've given him more than enough chances.
No more.

 

[kguillou]

I'm watching Fant4stic again now, i'm telling you there's a GOOD movie lost in here somewhere. I think Trank's more grounded, body horror vision of the F4 COULD have worked if the film was just fleshed out more. The film desperately needed an additional 30 minutes added on. More time with the characters, another action set piece was sorely needed (maybe the one with The Thing at the army base that was cut out), the forest scene between Reed and Ben ends WAY too abruptly and more footage of Doom was needed in the third act-- all of this could have made for a very decent film.

Sigh but alas....

 

[Xeno]

Four seasons is a respectable run. If a show wasn't "well-recieved" it wouldn't have lasted that long.

AOS made it to four seasons for reasons that have nothing to do with critical reception. First, it had one powerful backer, Disney CEO Bob Iger. He proposed the series in the first place because he wanted an MCU tie-in on ABC. Second, four seasons will give the studio enough episodes to package the series for cable syndication. That will bring in a lot of money once AOS is sold to TNT or wherever. Plenty of other low-rated shows have limped over the four year mark for precisely that reason.

BTW, that 100% RT rating looks impressive but it represents only 13 bloggers/publications. Many of those outlets are obscure or genre sites. And some of those positive reviews are mixed or are only for single episodes. Put in that perspective, AOS isn't the critical darling that the perfect score implies.

 

[Flint Marko]

AOS made it to four seasons for reasons that have nothing to do with critical reception. First, it had one powerful backer, Disney CEO Bob Iger. He proposed the series in the first place because he wanted an MCU tie-in on ABC. Second, four seasons will give the studio enough episodes to package the series for cable syndication. That will bring in a lot of money once AOS is sold to TNT or wherever. Plenty of other low-rated shows have limped over the four year mark for precisely that reason.

BTW, that 100% RT rating looks impressive but it represents only 13 bloggers/publications. Many of those outlets are obscure or genre sites. And some of those positive reviews are mixed or are only for single episodes. Put in that perspective, AOS isn't the critical darling that the perfect score implies.

So are you going to posit that AoS has not been well recieved?

 

[Zarex]

Idk the people who were in charge of MCU until after AoU were the show runners of AoS. So why wouldn't they try to bridge a gap when they are in the same universe dealing with the same kind of subject matter. I think that's one of the reasons they pulled back on The Inhumans to try to rethink their approach for the franchise.
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The AOS forerunners have been Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen from the start, and neither one has had any involvement in the cinematic MCU. The coordination between TV and film has been sorely lacking, but it's not their fault.

 

[KevanG]

I'm watching Fant4stic again now, i'm telling you there's a GOOD movie lost in here somewhere. I think Trank's more grounded, body horror vision of the F4 COULD have worked if the film was just fleshed out more. The film desperately needed an additional 30 minutes added on. More time with the characters, another action set piece was sorely needed (maybe the one with The Thing at the army base that was cut out), the forest scene between Reed and Ben ends WAY too abruptly and more footage of Doom was needed in the third act-- all of this could have made for a very decent film.

Sigh but alas....

If there was more action, had nothing to do with the FF and the actors had time to show any sort of connection then it could have been decent.

They lost a ****ton of points just because it was another FF movie that went even further from the books in every way then made one of the most iconic villains in comics history unrecognizable. The actors didn't seem to do more than vaguely know each other, even the ones supposed to be related. Finally nothing happened until the very end of the movie. Just talking with a minute or so of action every twenty to thirty minutes in a big budget CBM until the end which story-wise didn't have a lot going for it besides it being an obligatory action scene at the end of a CBM.

 

[Zarex]

Robert Meyer Burnett (Collider Heroes) mentioned on the show a couple of times that there is a script, he knows the people who wrote it.

I suppose it's possible. Kinberg also talked about plans to expand into TV well over a year before FOX came to a rights agreement with Marvel.

 

[Flint Marko]

Kinberg's most recent comments about the FF being a "big part" of their plans going forward upsets me.

 

[Zarex]

Kinberg's most recent comments about the FF being a "big part" of their plans going forward upsets me.

It is annoying, isn't it? The man is either frighteningly clueless or he's trolling Marvel fans by threatening more FOX Four.

 

[Flint Marko]

This is why I'm not entirely convinced they've made a deal. I genuinely think Fox is that clueless/myopic.

 

[Val_Zod]

This is why I'm not entirely convinced they've made a deal. I genuinely think Fox is that clueless/myopic.

I take every thing he says as the ramblings of a madman. Incorporating FF, which they clearly have no idea how to execute, into their struggling mainline Xmen films would only implode all their plans. Especially if it is the Fant4stic iteration. Anyway, he can have his looney ideas of a Xmen/FF universe, no one with half a brain would allow it.