The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Willie Lumpkin]

We'll just have to wait and see.

Keep in mind that a solo-Hulk film still can't get made because Hulk's distribution rights are still at Universal Studios, who hasn't released a Hulk movie in eight years.

Fox officials specifically said during the production of FF that they were running into contractual time restrictions.

Based on a few different things I've read from various sources, I believe the FF agreement is something very similar to (if not exactly): "Principle photography must begin within 7 years of release of the previous film and the film must be released in broad distribution within 18 months of start of principle photography."

I remember one person indicating Fant4stic would have to start filming in Spring of 2014 and I believe a different source indicated it would have to be released before the end of 2015. I couldn't make sense of that until I assumed a requirement that had multiple milestones to meet and I believe start of principle photography and release date are probably two milestones defined in the contract.

 

[Kanon]

The value of the franchise won't get any lower than it currently is.

I think he means the potential selling price, since every day Marvel is closer to getting them for free.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fox officials specifically said during the production of FF that they were running into contractual time restrictions.

Based on a few different things I've read from various sources, I believe the FF agreement is something very similar to (if not exactly): "Principle photography must begin within 7 years of release of the previous film and the film must be released in broad distribution within 18 months of start of principle photography."

I remember one person indicating Fant4stic would have to start filming in Spring of 2014 and I believe a different source indicated it would have to be released before the end of 2015. I couldn't make sense of that until I assumed a requirement that had multiple milestones to meet and I believe start of principle photography and release date are probably two milestones defined in the contract.

It seems to be about seven-ish years. But it's still seven years. Fox will sit on it as long as they can.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It seems to be about seven-ish years. But it's still seven years. Fox will sit on it as long as they can.

Seven years from August 7, 2015. Six years (and a couple days) from now.

But that's six years until they have to start principle photography, so we're MAXIMUM 5 years from the point they'll have to decide they're really serious, block out a date for release, hire a director, start working on scripts, concept art etc.

Five years isn't nearly long enough for management to forget the stink of Fant4stic (or the HUGE hit their stock took because of it - the high was the day before the reviews started coming out and the current price is still far below the level they were at before investors realized what a stinker Fant4stic was).

 

[Spiderine]

We'll just have to wait and see.

Keep in mind that a solo-Hulk film still can't get made because Hulk's distribution rights are still at Universal Studios, who hasn't released a Hulk movie in eight years.

Just saying.

And never did I ever say that Fox is making another Fantastic Four movie or rebooting the franchise again either.

And yet Marvel can still do whatever the hell they want with Hulk as long as he isnt in the title. Even sneaking planet hulk into Thor. I would take that any day if thats all they can do. Universal benefited from that in the pre Disney days. FF has a much bigger world full of characters to exploit. Sure Fox csn sit on it........but for what?

 

[Darth_Spock]

I just think the X franchise is a victim of age and retreaded ideas. Literally doing the same things over and over again. 16 years in and how many movies now? I didn't even get excited for Apocalypse. Thats why they could use a bone thrown from Marvel. Anything to help inject some excitement again.

FF on the other hand has been dead on arrival. Whether its Corman, Story, or the FFINO guy......yet to be a definitive film made that fans are universally proud of. Only Marvel can sell the FF by incorporating it into the MCU brand. I am hoping for a phase 4 intro.

That's how I felt and if they can't win fans and moviegoers over with Apocalypse, then why should I care about Gambit or New-mutants?

 

[WeaponXCII]

I just think the X franchise is a victim of age and retreaded ideas. Literally doing the same things over and over again. 16 years in and how many movies now? I didn't even get excited for Apocalypse. Thats why they could use a bone thrown from Marvel. Anything to help inject some excitement again.

FF on the other hand has been dead on arrival. Whether its Corman, Story, or the FFINO guy......yet to be a definitive film made that fans are universally proud of. Only Marvel can sell the FF by incorporating it into the MCU brand. I am hoping for a phase 4 intro.

Not only retreaded ideas- horrible retreaded ideas. If they'd made good decisions, people would tire of them much less easily. Instead we've been getting the the Wolverine/Blonde Katniss Show guest starring the Cardboard Cutouts for going on two decades now. I might be projecting a bit, but I think that people aren't excited anymore because they're just not interested in a standalone X-Men (Marvel was created for the express purpose of making a shared universe). Especially now with the MCU, they realize they can have this; when I was at the theater for CA:CW, a guy was telling (who I presume was) his girlfriend how X-Men are at Fox after she asked him why they didn't show up. I know, I know: first things first (Fantastic Four), but I just wanted to point out that the general audience is catching on, and it's only a matter of time....

On the subject of the X-Men, I'm not sure how we (the Keep Hope Alive people) should feel about the Legion show. I mean, it's Fox (sort of) but it's also Marvel, so would it further our collective goal more if it succeeded or failed?

 

[Flint Marko]

Completely indifferent towards Legion. I don't care whether it fails or succeeds, I'm not in any danger of watching it any time soon.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

For anybody who has even the slightest fear Fox will make another FF film, take a look at this chart:

This is a chart of Fox's stock starting on August 4, 2015 (the day FF reviews started coming out).

The stock lost about $5 (or about 14%) as a direct result of FF and it hasn't recovered since. Fox's market cap is over $50 Billion. That means a 14% drop is in the ballpark of 7 Billion dollar drop in value.

Now, imagine you are on the board at Fox. How anxious are you to tell shareholders you're going to make another FF film?

We know fans will be quick to pull out the pitchforks if it happens, but the important point is shareholders will also . . . and they're the ones who actually have final say.

 

[Kanon]

So Benjamin Bratt is in Dr Strange in a major role kept very under wraps (his name is on the poster and no mention of his involvement was ever made before)

The most likely scenario is voice work for a CGI character like Dormmamu. Weird thing is, why is Dormmamu a secret?

What if he is playing a character added late in production, someone big to warrant the name on the poster but is kept a surprise for fantastic reasons?

 

[WeaponXCII]

Completely indifferent towards Legion. I don't care whether it fails or succeeds, I'm not in any danger of watching it any time soon.

Me neither!

 

[InCali]

It seems to be about seven-ish years. But it's still seven years. Fox will sit on it as long as they can.

"Common sense" would say they would only do that "if" they are planning another movie. I'm guessing a sequel is virtually impossible and a reboot seems very unlikely. If they are going to do neither, Marvel will get FF back for free at the end of the alloted time periods. "If" Fox isn't going to have another FF movie, sitting on it for as long as they can is a stupid business decision because they will get nothing instead of something.

 

[TheVileOne]

And yet Marvel can still do whatever the hell they want with Hulk as long as he isnt in the title. Even sneaking planet hulk into Thor. I would take that any day if thats all they can do. Universal benefited from that in the pre Disney days. FF has a much bigger world full of characters to exploit. Sure Fox csn sit on it........but for what?

Except it's not Planet Hulk.

 

[TheVileOne]

"Common sense" would say they would only do that "if" they are planning another movie. I'm guessing a sequel is virtually impossible and a reboot seems very unlikely. If they are going to do neither, Marvel will get FF back for free at the end of the alloted time periods. "If" Fox isn't going to have another FF movie, sitting on it for as long as they can is a stupid business decision because they will get nothing instead of something.

They sat on Daredevil for seven years. They developed a new Daredevil movie at multiple times with multiple writers and directors attached. It still never materialized.

 

[InCali]

They sat on Daredevil for seven years. They developed a new Daredevil movie at multiple times with multiple writers and directors attached. It still never materialized.

And they looked like idiots when it came to DD. THAT ended up being a great strategy.....for Marvel that is. Fox isn't going to want that to happen again. Feige was even quoted as saying that rights had already reverted when it was reported that Marvel now owned DD.

If they aren't going to be able to sell making a reboot, then common sense dictates that they get something while they still can. If, however, Marvel really isn't interested in FF rights and won't give up anything to get it (which I doubt), then Fox will sit on it until rights revert to Marvel.

 

[Darth_Spock]

So Benjamin Bratt is in Dr Strange in a major role kept very under wraps (his name is on the poster and no mention of his involvement was ever made before)

The most likely scenario is voice work for a CGI character like Dormmamu. Weird thing is, why is Dormmamu a secret?

What if he is playing a character added late in production, someone big to warrant the name on the poster but is kept a surprise for fantastic reasons?

Man I wish I can find it. About a month or so ago I came across a small poster of Dr Strange where Dr. Strange was looking up at gigantic Dormmamu looming over a dark city.

 

[Endeavor]

Man I wish I can find it. About a month or so ago I came across a small poster of Dr Strange where Dr. Strange was looking up at gigantic Dormmamu looming over a dark city.

This one?
http://img12.deviantart.net/f731/i/..._theatrical_poster_by_mesmeretics-d53sjxs.png

 

[Spiderine]

Except it's not Planet Hulk.

Its clearly inspired by the Planet Hulk story. Just like Civil War wasn't really Civil war. Age of Ultron wasn't Age of Ultron. Marvel doesn't do straight up adaptations.

 

[Spiderine]

They sat on Daredevil for seven years. They developed a new Daredevil movie at multiple times with multiple writers and directors attached. It still never materialized.

And they ended up losing DD for nothing. And he only had one film. FF had 3. One that already rebooted. At least I understand that FOX really was intent on making a gritty DD film it just never came together. Do they want to lose FF when they could potentially get something valuable in return? They would be foolish to make another attempt.

 

[Chris B]

Nothing was announced. What we do know is that Disney gave up their exclusive control over Marvel branded television programming, increasing the competition in a crowded marketplace for comic book based TV while strengthening FOX's hold over the X-Men franchise. It seems highly unlikely that the Mouse did so in exchange for a minority stake in "Legion" and the recently announced "Mutants on the run" show announced for the FOX network.

My guess is FOX handed over the FF family live action rights in exchange for X-Men TV rights. We shall see.

I wonder if the X-Men TV deal is sharing deal where the rights are only being "borrowed" by Fox for the duration of those shows' time on the air and the TV rights will automatically go back to Marvel when they end. Instead of being some kind of licensing deal like the films where Fox will have them as long as they actually use them.

They are being billed as co-productions and something like the arrangement above would prevent Fox from strengthening their hold on the X-Men.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox could have, if they had gotten their s*** together, made another Daredevil film. They had only made one bad Daredevil film, so fans would have given them a chance and likely shown up for a second film.

But they've made two bad and one terrible (arguably the worst superhero film ever made) FF film. The fans were already against them going into Fant4stic and it will only get worse for a fourth film.

It would be hard to think of a dumber, more ill-advised move in the history of film than Fox making another FF film.

 

[Dark Raven]

Imagine getting stuck on a desert island with only FFINO to watch.

 

[Kanon]

Aaaaaaaaaaaand the next season of Agents of Shield is reportedly going to feature "classic inhumans". I assume that means members of the royal family, which should be reserved for the Inhumans movie that is totally happening and not replaced due to recent events regarding licenced IPs

Regarding the Inhumans movie delay, and the presence of inhumans in the show:

“We do have a little more freedom,” said Jed Whedon. “We’ve told a couple of seasons of stories but now we do have some more freedom. So when we return to focusing on Inhumans, we’ll be able to do a little bit more.” That freedom, Whedon and Tancharoen said, included being able to use some of the classic Inhumans. We’re pushing for Lockjaw.

Weird that the bit about classic characters is not a quote, but I'll take it...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-doctor-s...hield-ghostrider-1784319160?rev=1469550875391

 

[Zarex]

Feige reiterated at Comic Con that Inhumans were still in the movie plans for Phase 4 and beyond, so I'm not sure which characters will be available. I'd be disappointed if Marvel breaks the already tenuous link between TV and film, but the Inhumans news along with the Ghost Rider info has me concerned that Marvel may have distinct film and TV versions of similar characters.

 

[Orba]

An Inhumans film was never one that Feige was really that interested in, its supposed to have been Perlmutter that would only allow Captain Marvel if an Inhumans film was also put on the schedule. If classic Inhumans were to start appearing in AoS it would seem to remove the need for an Inhumans film.