The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[See Cap Run]

I'd personally prefer it if Marvel didn't cross over their cinematic universe with Fox's X-Men. Just let Fox make their own X-Men movies and either buy the X-Men rights back someday or just wait for them to revert: even if it takes a very long time.

Then just make their own X-Men movies from scratch that wouldn't be connected to any previously established continuity, hopefully in their own separate Marvel X-Men Cinematic Universe as opposed to being part of the main MCU as I think the X-Men universe is large enough on its own.

As far as FF are concerned, I'd love it if Marvel could get the rights back early enough so,the FF can be featured in Avengers Infinity Wars and Avengers 4 so as to restore the audience's goodwill toward FF before getting their own solo film in Phase 4! As has been discussed previously, some sort of early-reversion deal may have already been worked out in exchange for Fox being allowed to produce X-Men TV shows, etc.

 

[Darepool]

I hope that's the case, I haven't heard of any potential deals.

 

[See Cap Run]

I hope that's the case, I haven't heard of any potential deals.

I haven't heard anything official either. I actually kinda hope if they have gotten the rights back already, that they'll keep as tight a lid on it as possible as I would love to be completely surprised by their hypothetical appearance in Avengers, while I'm watching it in the theater, as opposed to it being promoted, as Spidey's appearance in Civil War was.

Afterall, I don't think promoting their appearance ahead of time would necessarily make anyone who wasn't already planning on watching the next Avengers suddenly decide to go see it.

 

[Darepool]

I haven't heard anything official either. I actually kinda hope if they have gotten the rights back already, that they'll keep as tight a lid on it as possible as I would love to be completely surprised by their hypothetical appearance in Avengers, while I'm watching it in the theater, as opposed to it being promoted, as Spidey's appearance in Civil War was.

Afterall, I don't think promoting their appearance ahead of time would necessarily make anyone who wasn't already planning on watching the next Avengers suddenly decide to go see it.

The TV rights is an interesting angle for a deal to be made, after all, the X-Men rights are extremely valuable, I'd argue more so on TV in terms of growing a new fanbase, so hopefully Marvel being involved means more beyond this partnership with Legion and other new shows. I'd never thought of a greater purpose beyond making money on an X-Men TV show, you've gotten my hopes up.

I love the idea of being surprised, I just think it's nearly impossible in 2016.

 

[Darkraid]

I think in the comics Inhumans might be merging with X-Men.

They might do something like this in the movies too.

Because Inhumans will never be popular.

 

[Darepool]

I think in the comics Inhumans might be merging with X-Men.

They might do something like this in the movies too.

Because Inhumans will never be popular.

In the films they could definitely be, but in the comics they'll never be the X-Men. I'm talking popularity.

The crossover between different mediums isn't as natural as you'd think. There are obviously fans of characters who will gravitate towards anything and everything that has to do with the property, lots of them, but there are also lots of casual fans where there is more of a distinct dividing line. Film fans - comic fans - animation fans - video game fans, etc.

With that said, there is no reason to think that an Inhumans film set in the MCU and focused on the Royal Family couldn't bring in box office totals equivalent to what we've seen from Fox's X-Men.

 

[rockman1216]

I don't believe that Legion is part of the MCU.

They can easily make it so

 

[rockman1216]

You know what if it's convenient Marvel could just have the X-MEN go from mutants to Inhumans, and say that those Inhumans didn't form a cocoon, because they were effected by a different mist or something like in the Ultimate Comics a virus that unlocks their innate Inhuman Gene, and cause there children to exhibit this trait during puberty.

Have the word mutant just be a different term for Inhumans, and Enhanced, sort of like a derogatory term or slang for people born with powers or born with the potiential to exhibit powers
The X-MEN should just be a street level group for now until something causes them to be shown to the world.
Have the Inhuman gene have other ways of being unlocked apart from Terrigen Mist

 

[Darkraid]

Funko is doing more X-Men pops. Seems like Marvel's relationship with Fox is getting better.

 

[Web-Head]

Funko is doing more X-Men pops. Seems like Marvel's relationship with Fox is getting better.

and the next Marvel Collector Corps box is an X-Men theme.

 

[NotNickFury]

They can easily make it so

Maybe yes, maybe no, but they won't. Not so long as Marvel Studios doesn't own the film rights, and really, there's no need for the mutants in the MCU at this point. They're forcing the Inhumans through Agents of SHIELD anyway, so there's that.

And besides, if the MCU did have rights to mutants, which they don't, if they were going to introduce such a concept to their universe, I doubt it'd be through something like a TV show. At least the Ghost Rider on SHIELD isn't the one general audiences have a passing familiarity with due to the Cage films.

 

[rockman1216]

Maybe yes, maybe no, but they won't. Not so long as Marvel Studios doesn't own the film rights, and really, there's no need for the mutants in the MCU at this point. They're forcing the Inhumans through Agents of SHIELD anyway, so there's that.

And besides, if the MCU did have rights to mutants, which they don't, if they were going to introduce such a concept to their universe, I doubt it'd be through something like a TV show. At least the Ghost Rider on SHIELD isn't the one general audiences have a passing familiarity with due to the Cage films.

The Inhumans are more of a backdrop now the main story is more about mysticism, but I think the way it will work is they will keep the connections to either the MCU or the XCU incredibly vague, then when Marvel and Fox decide where to actually set it which I think they will probably think MCU for longevity purposes, there will be references to other mutants, SHIELD, and the Avengers. They are going to keep it vague because they either don't know, or know but they don't want to affect Logan's box office.
Legion seems to be a more personal story, in the same vein as Daredevil, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage where as SHIELD is more wide open, so the concept of mutants can be introduced through Legion, but it will largely be about him not mutants. Similar to while Agents of SHIELD is dealing with Mystic, you also have Iron Fist which is a more personal story centering around a specific character not a concept. Agents of SHIELD is different as they have characters, but no central character to the story, they seem to take main characters, and put them in situations where they have to adapt, but there isn't a main headlining character.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

In the films they could definitely be, but in the comics they'll never be the X-Men. I'm talking popularity.

The crossover between different mediums isn't as natural as you'd think. There are obviously fans of characters who will gravitate towards anything and everything that has to do with the property, lots of them, but there are also lots of casual fans where there is more of a distinct dividing line. Film fans - comic fans - animation fans - video game fans, etc.

With that said, there is no reason to think that an Inhumans film set in the MCU and focused on the Royal Family couldn't bring in box office totals equivalent to what we've seen from Fox's X-Men.

Considering Ant-Man of all things grossed nearly as much as X-Men: Apocalypse, there is no reason to believe Inhumans couldn't outgross X-Men.

 

[Spiderine]

If they plan on introducing the royal Inhuman family in other films and they become an important fixture in phase 4 and given Marvel history with new properties like GOTG then I would say its extremely possible for them be popular like Xmen. I see a lot of potential if they approach it right. They could very well be introduced in GOTG 3 for all we know or even Captain Marvel.

 

[Zarex]

The X-Men have done quite well, but I wouldn't bet against a superhero team with a half-ton teleporting doggie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The X-Men have done quite well, but I wouldn't bet against a superhero team with a half-ton teleporting doggie.

Inhumans done right could be really cool, but I wish they would have just held off on them until they were ready to really introduce them right in their own film (or at least start introducing them in other big films).

I'm getting sick of the AOS brand of Inhumans and sort of wish they'd do them right or not at all.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Considering Ant-Man of all things grossed nearly as much as X-Men: Apocalypse, there is no reason to believe Inhumans couldn't outgross X-Men.

BAM!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It just occurred to me that we've been missing the opportunity to call Fox, "Fux" all this time. . .

 

[Zarex]

It just occurred to me that we've been missing the opportunity to call Fox, "Fux" all this time. . .

'Member when folks on the old boards decided that the use of FFINO was insulting to the film's supporters and tried to have it banned? Fainting couches would have gotten a workout if you deliberately misspelled the studio's short name.

 

[sleekstereo]

Fans are very excited about the Marvel/Sony team up. Has the iceberg between Fox and Marvel started to thaw or is it still a frozen tundra?

FEIGE: Well, it’s the same as it has always been. I don’t want to attribute it as a frozen wasteland or anything like that.

I’ll say it’s a frozen wasteland.

FEIGE: We all get along and I see them occasionally but there’s no change in any dynamic.

I think something is starting to become clear.

It seems the rift between Fox and Marvel is more on the Marvel Studios side and not the Marvel Entertainment side.

Marvel Entertainment is actively working with Fox to develop Legion and another drama series, Marvel Comics is relaunching the X-Men this winter, and Marvel approved new toy lines for the X-Men.

Maybe people need to start looking at the relationship between Feige and Fox and not Ike and Fox. Because Ike and the side of Marvel he controls are building the bridges, not Feige and Marvel Studios.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm glad someone finally asked Feige about the Fantastic 4/Fox.

 

[Darepool]

I think something is starting to become clear.

It seems the rift between Fox and Marvel is more on the Marvel Studios side and not the Marvel Entertainment side.

Marvel Entertainment is actively working with Fox to develop Legion and another drama series, Marvel Comics is relaunching the X-Men this winter, and Marvel approved new toy lines for the X-Men.

Maybe people need to start looking at the relationship between Feige and Fox and not Ike and Fox. Because Ike and the side of Marvel he controls are building the bridges, not Feige and Marvel Studios.

Nah, Feige has no issue with those people. He said he talks to them and even Bryan Singer has mentioned conversations he's has with Feige in recent interviews. It's business. The rift was started when Ike used to control Marvel Studios.

Marvel cannot make money off the film licenses held by Fox, but they can make money off the new TV deal. I think this is all it comes down to at the end of the day.

 

[Val_Zod]

I think something is starting to become clear.

It seems the rift between Fox and Marvel is more on the Marvel Studios side and not the Marvel Entertainment side.

Marvel Entertainment is actively working with Fox to develop Legion and another drama series, Marvel Comics is relaunching the X-Men this winter, and Marvel approved new toy lines for the X-Men.

Maybe people need to start looking at the relationship between Feige and Fox and not Ike and Fox. Because Ike and the side of Marvel he controls are building the bridges, not Feige and Marvel Studios.

Perlmutter is a major reason why there was rift to begin with. And back then, Marvel Studios and Feige had to report to him. Now its not the case.

 

[TheVileOne]

Feige's words are proof a Fantastic Four deal hasn't been made yet.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I love how everyone was acting like it was "obvious" a deal was made just in exchange for a tv show. It was obvious that wasn't the case always. Why people are trying to make fetch happen idk why.