The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[R_Hythlodeus]

The ultimate question is: Why bother making a movie about the FF if that movie isn't about the FF at all?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I haven't seen Logan, but I assume the basic elements that make Logan/Wolverine who he is were there. I would be completely fine with a Fantastic Four film that did some different, interesting things but maintained the basic elements that make the Fantastic Four who they are.

Fant4stic wasn't even close.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I haven't seen Logan, but I assume the basic elements that make Logan/Wolverine who he is were there. I would be completely fine with a Fantastic Four film that did some different, interesting things but maintained the basic elements that make the Fantastic Four who they are.

Fant4stic wasn't even close.

I would definitely say Logan was faithful to its main characters.

 

[Frankeh]

I haven't seen Logan, but I assume the basic elements that make Logan/Wolverine who he is were there. I would be completely fine with a Fantastic Four film that did some different, interesting things but maintained the basic elements that make the Fantastic Four who they are.

I think you're absolutely right. At the end of the day not following to a T the comic storylines/timeline doesn't really bother fans (except purists) that much, what bothers them most is when characters don't remind them of the characters they read on the pages. At the end of the day we see these movies to see those characters come alive on the big screen. When you have Simon Kinberg saying his different version of Ben Grimm is more interesting than comic Ben Grimm, and Josh Trank calling comic Sue Storm a ****ty secretary, well, they're pretty much asking to be hated by fanboys.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

I think you're absolutely right. At the end of the day not following to a T the comic storylines/timeline doesn't really bother fans (except purists) that much, what bothers them most is when characters don't remind them of the characters they read on the pages. At the end of the day we see these movies to see those characters come alive on the big screen. When you have Simon Kinberg saying his different version of Ben Grimm is more interesting than comic Ben Grimm, and Josh Trank calling comic Sue Storm a ****ty secretary, well, they're pretty much asking to be hated by fanboys.

Yeah, especially when Kinberg's and Trank's Grimm gets his iconic catchphrase from his older brother before he beats up Ben. "It's Clobberin' time" indeed...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think you're absolutely right. At the end of the day not following to a T the comic storylines/timeline doesn't really bother fans (except purists) that much, what bothers them most is when characters don't remind them of the characters they read on the pages. At the end of the day we see these movies to see those characters come alive on the big screen. When you have Simon Kinberg saying his different version of Ben Grimm is more interesting than comic Ben Grimm, and Josh Trank calling comic Sue Storm a ****ty secretary, well, they're pretty much asking to be hated by fanboys.

Filmmakers shouldn't be beholden to the fans, but it is a VERY bad idea to openly insult them like Trank and Kinberg did.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

but it is a VERY bad idea to openly insult them like Trank and Kinberg did.

especially in a time when journalists look at fans of a property to get an idea how that property should be treated and use their nerdrage to make articles out of it, influencing the GA too

 

[Flint Marko]

So Fox was not going to let Mangold make Logan the way he wanted until Deadpool, another movie they flat out didn't want to make, came out and proved what we all already knew: lower budget, R-rated superhero films can make money. 'Tis the Fox way.

Logan is excellent, in case you were wondering. One of the best in the genre that will certainly stand the test of time, and proves why Marvel Studios not having all their IP's under Disney is very good for the genre, even if they are housed by a studio full of brainless executives.

 

[metaphysician]

OTOH, its worth remembering, and repeating, that Different != Better. Being "different" is only worthwhile if the new thing is actually good.

 

[Darepool]

The 'new thing' becomes old very quickly in today's world. A couple more 'new things' down the pike and people will be clamoring for the 'old things' rather quickly. Pin the tail on the donkey.

"Finally someone embraced the source material and wasn't afraid to have fun with it...no more black leather! This isn't the 90's anymore. Refreshing"

"Finally the studios realized that you don't need to make everything a big budget spectacle, it's stripped down and raw, it harkens back to an 80's action film. Refreshing"

Everything old is new again. Everything is it's own thing. Diversity.

 

[Ivan Drago]

So Fox was not going to let Mangold make Logan the way he wanted until Deadpool, another movie they flat out didn't want to make, came out and proved what we all already knew: lower budget, R-rated superhero films can make money. 'Tis the Fox way.

Logan is excellent, in case you were wondering. One of the best in the genre that will certainly stand the test of time, and proves why Marvel Studios not having all their IP's under Disney is very good for the genre, even if they are housed by a studio full of brainless executives.

This isn't quite true. Logan was already going to be R even before Deadpool, as production had already started almost a year before Deadpool came out.

Of course, I'm sure the success of Deadpool didn't hurt either way.

 

[Flint Marko]

This isn't quite true. Logan was already going to be R even before Deadpool, as production had already started almost a year before Deadpool came out.

Of course, I'm sure the success of Deadpool didn't hurt either way.

Is this true? I had heard from the Now Playing podcast (those guys do their research) that they were hesitant to make it R-rated until Deadpool came out.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Is this true? I had heard from the Now Playing podcast (those guys do their research) that they were hesitant to make it R-rated until Deadpool came out.

"Two things happened," Mangold*said. "We were already down the road of 'R' before Deadpool had been released. I think that they did know, the studio, they felt that they had a real success even though it hadn't been released yet that they had something people would be really excited to see. But, I think, you have to give all the studios credit, but particularly Fox, in the sense that they were aware, acutely aware, that these*bloated*$200 million aren't quite creating the sensation they were five or six years ago and you get into a kind of arms race with spending more, casting more, louder, faster, more, louder, faster, more... But at some point, I can only speak for myself and there are some really good ones that come out, but I find my eyes rolling up in my head even as my ears and eyes are going blown out with amazing visuals and sounds, I find myself just overloading."

http://comicbook.com.marvel/2017/02/16/did-deadpool-influence-logan-wolverine-3/

 

[Flint Marko]

"Two things happened," Mangold*said. "We were already down the road of 'R' before Deadpool had been released. I think that they did know, the studio, they felt that they had a real success even though it hadn't been released yet that they had something people would be really excited to see. But, I think, you have to give all the studios credit, but particularly Fox, in the sense that they were aware, acutely aware, that these*bloated*$200 million aren't quite creating the sensation they were five or six years ago and you get into a kind of arms race with spending more, casting more, louder, faster, more, louder, faster, more... But at some point, I can only speak for myself and there are some really good ones that come out, but I find my eyes rolling up in my head even as my ears and eyes are going blown out with amazing visuals and sounds, I find myself just overloading."

http://comicbook.com.marvel/2017/02/16/did-deadpool-influence-logan-wolverine-3/

Ah gotcha, thanks for the link

 

[jaymes_e06]

Again people here jumping to conclusions about Fox in this thread... they are despicable sometimes but at least come with receipts when you try to attack them. LBVS

 

[Darepool]

They had to send Hugh out on a high.

 

[legendkillin]

So Fox was not going to let Mangold make Logan the way he wanted until Deadpool, another movie they flat out didn't want to make, came out and proved what we all already knew: lower budget, R-rated superhero films can make money. 'Tis the Fox way.

Logan is excellent, in case you were wondering. One of the best in the genre that will certainly stand the test of time, and proves why Marvel Studios not having all their IP's under Disney is very good for the genre, even if they are housed by a studio full of brainless executives.

Only certain characters fit the R rating, Wolverine and Deadpool happen to be those characters. I wouldn't be into an r rated Ant-Man or Captain America.

 

[JJLong]

Only certain characters fit the R rating, Wolverine and Deadpool happen to be those characters. I wouldn't be into an r rated Ant-Man or Captain America.

I'd love to see a character driven, possibly Rated R, Iron Man movie that focuses on Tony struggling with alcoholism, but we'll never get that.

It hurts because Robert Downey Jr. is such a great actor and I feel like he'll never be able to really act to his fullest potential in the movies for Marvel Studios.

 

[Zarex]

I'd love to see a character driven, possibly Rated R, Iron Man movie that focuses on Tony struggling with alcoholism, but we'll never get that.

It hurts because Robert Downey Jr. is such a great actor and I feel like he'll never be able to really act to his fullest potential in the movies for Marvel Studios.

RDJ was absolutely fantastic in CA:CW. I don't know if that was reaching his fullest potential, but his barely holding it together Tony Stark was easily his best work in the MCU.

 

[Krystal]

So he makes a non "bloated" movie that costs $127 million and has 3 main characters.
I hate when they can't plug their movie without taking a shot at someone else.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Mangold never specified any particular studio or project and also pointed out that he enjoyed some of the larger productions in the genre. He wasn't taking a shot at anyone.

 

[Ivan Drago]

So he makes a non "bloated" movie that costs $127 million and has 3 main characters.
I hate when they can't plug their movie without taking a shot at someone else.

Actually the budget was 97 million, per Variety. And I'm pretty sure Mangold was just talking about big budget blockbusters in general, which is a pretty fair point. A lot of them are overproduced.

 

[Krystal]

Yeah, bloated was a compliment.

 

[Darepool]

Yeah, bloated was a compliment.

He was likely talking about Apocalypse.

 

[Zant]

He was likely talking about Apocalypse.

Yeah sure, of course he was.......