The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Darepool]

Yeah sure, of course he was.......

Well if you know what he was talking about fill me in. The last 3 posters didn't indicate anyone.

 

[Darepool]

 

[Zant]

Well if you know what he was talking about fill me in. The last 3 posters didn't indicate anyone.

I don't know.He didn't mention any names, but if Apocalypse is the only bloated big budget CBM ever produced then maybe you are right.......

 

[Roose Bolton]

He didn't mention any particular franchise or film, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. And he's not wrong about some blockbusters being bloated either. I liked Spectre more than most, but that film did not need its $250-300 million budget.

 

[Darepool]

I don't know.He didn't mention any names, but if Apocalypse is the only bloated big budget CBM ever produced then maybe you are right.......

I assumed he was talking about Fox's recent X-Men film, not other studio films like Snyder did, but perhaps it wasn't as Knight and Day as I thought...

 

[Darepool]

He didn't mention any particular franchise or film, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. And he's not wrong about some blockbusters being bloated either. I liked Spectre more than most, but that film did not need its $250-300 million budget.

No problem from me, I assumed the critique was more CBM related at which point I figured he'd keep it in house, so I mentioned Apocalypse. But yes, there is definitely some bloat going around.

 

[Zant]

I do like my fair share of bloat lol. I want Justice League and Infinity wars to be bloated. They just have to be.

 

[Darepool]

I do like my fair share of bloat lol. I want Justice League and Infinity wars to be bloated. They just have to be.

An amazing, gluttonous, no regrets kind of bloat.

 

[Xeno]

So he makes a non "bloated" movie that costs $127 million and has 3 main characters.
I hate when they can't plug their movie without taking a shot at someone else.

Actually the budget was 97 million, per Variety. And I'm pretty sure Mangold was just talking about big budget blockbusters in general, which is a pretty fair point. A lot of them are overproduced.

A budget of $97 million is pretty bloated for a film like Logan. The budget for X-Men was only $75 million, with more characters and effects. Where did all that money go? Catering?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Adjusted for inflation, X-men had a budget of around $114 million to Logan's $97 million, so it's not really bloated.

 

[Ivan Drago]

A budget of $97 million is pretty bloated for a film like Logan. The budget for X-Men was only $75 million, with more characters and effects. Where did all that money go? Catering?

Considering most superhero movies nowadays range from 150 to 250 million, 97 million is nothing.

And with all the due respect to the original x-men movie, the special effects are subpar even for 2000 standards.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

A budget of $97 million is pretty bloated for a film like Logan. The budget for X-Men was only $75 million

Inflation, I guess

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Inflation, I guess

Plus X-Men didn't have any real big stars at the time. A handful of known actors, but nothing like Hugh Jackman is today.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Plus X-Men didn't have any real big stars at the time. A handful of known actors, but nothing like Hugh Jackman is today.

I remember Berry being a huge name in 1998, then again, I'm old and it was long ago, so I might be misremembering.
(Also, as a fan of Star Trek, how dare you to imply that Stewart was not a cinematic god ever since Excalibur and Dune?)

 

[DyfeddRex]

The only way to find out before it gets announced if the rights have reverted is a Sony style hack, but Rupert is more paranoid than those folks at Sony were, being a "hack their phones" type, at least in his entertainment news divisions, that I see him having far better firewalls and encryption protocols than the Sony crowd, who must have thought "We are owned by Japanese, thus they gave us great email protection".

Now, being proved wrong on any of this would make me happy, yes. But, we need to stop jogging the elbows of those in power over this making the decision, save by saying "WTH? Trank gets another shot? Are you nuts?"

 

[Docker2.0]

He was likely talking about Apocalypse.

I don't think he was talking about any studio but BvS is quite possibly the closest thing to destruction porrn outside of Michael Bay. I don't know how Metropolis could be standing after MoS and BvS.

 

[Darepool]

Bloat is not necessarily a bad thing if people are just referring to budget alone . If they mean the film is 'overstuffed' with too many gratuitous elements to the point the story doesn't work as it should or could have, then that's another thing altogether. It's a bit disingenuous for 'fans' to be complaining about budget, especially if it's required to deliver the full potential of a property...Of course hindsight is something altogether, where a lot of the frugal gourmets come out of hibernation and complain about the 'inflated' budget.

 

[InCali]

Hmmmmm......I couldn't care less what a movie costs and "bloated" is relative to box office (and other) receipts. If I like a movie, I probably want it to make money because I'd probably like to see something along the same lines. If they spend too much on a movie, that's their problem and not mine. I don't use overspending as a criticism because they aren't using MY money.

 

[Darepool]

Hmmmmm......I couldn't care less what a movie costs and "bloated" is relative to box office (and other) receipts. If I like a movie, I probably want it to make money because I'd probably like to see something along the same lines. If they spend too much on a movie, that's their problem and not mine. I don't use overspending as a criticism because they aren't using MY money.

Yeah, either the film works or it doesn't, that's the bottom line. Ideally you wouldn't want an X-Men, Avengers or JL film for less then 200 m. Optimally you'd want the budget 250 million plus, which is what we're getting from Warner and Marvel.

 

[InCali]

Yeah, either the film works or it doesn't, that's the bottom line. Ideally you wouldn't want an X-Men, Avengers or JL film for less then 200 m. Optimally you'd want the budget 250 million plus, which is what we're getting from Warner and Marvel.

If they can make a badass Avengers movie for 150M, fine. 250M? Fine with me too. Someone wanna spend 500M? Feel free. I hope (for your sake more than mine) that latter is REALLY good.

Just make a good movie and I'll pay for a ticket.

 

[Flint Marko]

Bloated budgets are definitely something to reconsider at this point given how saturated the genre has become. Movies like Infinity War and the Justice League require that insane budget, but Deadpool and Logan have been a breathe of fresh air due in no small part to the smaller scale.

I'd really like Marvel to spend less than 100 million on a movie at some point and just try something new.

 

[Darepool]

Bloated budgets are definitely something to reconsider at this point given how saturated the genre has become. Movies like Infinity War and the Justice League require that insane budget, but Deadpool and Logan have been a breathe of fresh air due in no small part to the smaller scale.

I'd really like Marvel to spend less than 100 million on a movie at some point and just try something new.

Definitely. Where do you go beyond IW/Untitled? You can't really get any bigger then that from what we've learned. The logical answer is to strip it down and go the other direction, smaller and more personal.

 

[Flint Marko]

Definitely. Where do you go beyond IW/Untitled? You can't really get any bigger then that from what we've learned. The logical answer is to strip it down and go the other direction, smaller and more personal.

Exactly what I've been saying for quite some time.

 

[Spiderine]

Black Panther
Antman
Captain Marvel
Dr Strange
GoTG
Spiderman

All these guys likely getting sequels. I dont see a budget under 100 mil with these guys. Another ensemble flick to come. And whatever happens with the current guys. I can only imagine if IW is a colossal success

 

[InCali]

Who knows what Disney is really spending on a 140M movie given that they're basically pushing a lot of business to their owned subsidiaries. I see the value of Logan (which didn't really ring my bell) and Deadpool (which did) and I see the value of doing things Marvel/Disney isn't doing at this point.

So, if someone else wants to make a movie and overspend, that's fine. I've had my car for 20 years and I bought it after my friend's lease ran out. Awesome Honda del Sol with a removable roof and a lot of fun times driving up and down the California coast. Whatever floats your boat.