The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

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Disappointing news about **spoiler**:

According to a writer from Cinemablend, Feige said in an interview that Marvel has the rights to the Watchers in general because they first appeared in Strange Tales, but cannot use Uatu specifically because he is at Fox. This means that there wasn't a deal with Fox for the FF or associated characters after all. This is so disheartening for FF fans.

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Disappointing news about **spoiler**:

According to a writer from Cinemablend, Feige said in an interview that Marvel has the rights to the Watchers in general because they first appeared in Strange Tales, but cannot use Uatu specifically because he is at Fox. This means that there wasn't a deal with Fox for the FF or associated characters after all. This is so disheartening for FF fans.

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I think people were grasping at straws, if Marvel got the rights to the FF back, they would have made an announcement about it.
 
Marvel didn't make an announcement when they got the Daredevil, Ghost Rider and Punisher rights back. I'm not disheartened. It was nice to get confirmation that FOX can't extend the rights with a spin-off film. The FF is coming back and they'll make the announcement when the MCU reboot is announced.
 
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Okay. So, while I am still only hopeful about this happening, it is time for the pros and cons to be weighed out on the scales of speculation (I'd say truth, but hell, I don't have the insider connections to make that kind of call).

So, as I see, these are my hints I am following (Blue P marked text is pro, red C marked text con, default color text with ? is could be either way)

1: P: Watchers in GotGv2. Face it, this is something we hoped for, but never dreamed would be really confirmed. As a hint, it is great as we had thought this was part of the FF rights.

2: P: That background straight from Kirby's FF behind Loki in the TR trailer. Again, as many have said, why from FF#64 when Kirby did just as much in Thor and other Eternal/Celestial appearances to use?


3: ?: This back and forth over the Phase model Marvel seems to be abandoning, and the talk from Fox side that they still have plans for the FF. This could be some hardball open but still veiled negotiations between them over the final price for the deal being done, or both giving up on the deal and walking away. Face it, Phase 4 would be tons more fun if that 4 got the circle around it, and no need to keep phases, if we ain't getting them home.

4: C: Not even a whiff other than rumor of meetings or other hints at a deal being done, but this could be a "?" as well, as Marvel snuck the Spidey deal in at last minute.

5: ?: Marvel's recent words that there will need to be a new deal after the current one with Sony for Spidey. This one is definitely a question, as they would really want Spidey for earth stories if there are no FF, and his connection with the FF in the comics would leave us howling, not whining and wondering as we are now about the 1st Family, if they let him drift away with the FF back.

6: ?: Fox's schedule not showing anything beyond a year out. Almost like they are talking to Marvel about the FF, but have not sealed a deal, so they are holding the threat of scheduling, rather than looking bad like Sony (and they did) after the fanboy bombs of FFINO and ASM2. But, also, letting the hope be there. This could just be a thing where they learned their lesson over the long delayed Gambit movie, or just are sitting back, seeing what the market does to the genre with this level of overload coming out. Better to cancel unannounced things behind the scenes than look foolish if Superhero fatigue actually does set in, and have to publicly pull back from a schedule. (Also lets them do more films in development, with better flex in their release date windows, so that is the real reason I score it as a "?".)

7: C: FFINO and the bad taste in audience mouths from it. Let's face it, this is the real reason we may, like the Mandarin, never see it coming. That film got really bad press, reviews, BO, and left many fanboys and GA fans with a bad case of barf-mouth. The longer this plays out, the better for both studios, but worse for us older fans who are beginning to realize we are not Asgardians, Elders of the Universe, or Eternals, just mere mortals with short lifespans.

8: P: Marvel going to SDCC on a year with a D23. I believe (but have no proof) that the only reason for that is to drop a bombshell on what is beginning to look like a finally finding some traction DCEU. If the GA ever gets behind the DC side, then Marvel might have to do release date showdowns like two drivers playing chicken with their lights out, not knowing in fullness the other guy's intent (or hand, if you want to do a poker analogy instead). Yeah, the full schedule of upcoming Cosmic Arc/Phase 4 might not come until D23, but they will drop a few well placed info-blasts across DC's bow to let them know they have something fans want.

Now, I might think of other things, and some will call me on these, but this is speculation. I might (hell, probably am) wrong on some, and maybe all points. We won't know until, in the poker analogy, the hole cards are turned over.
 
Another "?" mark one would be the cutting out the Avengers IW movies into no longer filming interlaced/back-to-back, which hints that something else is now coming, besides the IW/Infinity stories. Now, what would make them change that plan, besides the normal issues of such in logistics and story spoiler containment/content issues? Well, yes the FF would be one such, but some other villian that Fox holds being unleashed is possible. Kang being a big name bandied about. Something on the mystical side could also be it, say Mephisto and his riders? Could only the FF villain group associated with the devourer of worlds be the deal, leaving the FF still in limbo? Sure, to see the Surfer under the MCU would be cool. But, it could be more. Who knows. All we can do is speculate, hope, pray to the One Above All, maybe cut a deal with Those Who Sit Above In Darkness to find out. Or, sacrifice small candy bars to Dormammu, I guess.
 
I think people were grasping at straws, if Marvel got the rights to the FF back, they would have made an announcement about it.

Not if part of the deal was to keep things quiet until a certain date. Also, I doubt FF will be in Infinity Wars if they were we'd be hearing a lot more leaks and rumors. If a deal exists Marvel will announce it when they and Fox are ready.
 
Marvel swapped something for the tv rights for legion and hellfire. I can't see it being the whole ff, but i can see it being a few of their catalogue (watchers etc...).
This is not to say that a deal isn't on the cards to do similar deal as spidey and really hope we get one. But what do i know?
 
Remember the proposed deal where Marvel tried to let Fox keep the rights to Daredevil in order to get the rights to cosmic characters Galactus and Silver Surfer.

Do you think Marvel and Fox should have done that deal? It would have meant seeing those characters in Marvel movies, but we would not have had the Netflix Daredevil series.
 
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Remember the proposed deal where Marvel tried to let Fox keep the rights to Daredevil in order to get the rights to cosmic characters Galactus and Silver Surfer.

Do you think Marvel and Fox should have done that deal? It would have meant seeing those characters in Marvel movies, but we would not have had the Netflix Daredevil series.

No. They never should've done that deal. It was a bad deal.

Plus that deal not going forward enabled the Daredevil TV series to happen. Fox wanted to do some sort of like 1970s blaxploitation era Daredevil, which would've been awful.
 
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I think people were grasping at straws, if Marvel got the rights to the FF back, they would have made an announcement about it.

Well I wonder if that interview is wrong...the Watcher's first appearance in any Marvel comic was Fantastic 4 # 13...they appeared in a couple of Tales of Suspense but that was AFTER the Watcher's first appearance in Fantastic 4...so its still possible to be part of a larger package/rollout of the F4 and its characters into the MCU...only time will tell
 
I was watching a video from a dude called Professor Thorgi about a new Marvel line of comics coming called Legacy. It's also noted of a return of a Marvel mainstay which could be anybody, however, the F4 coming back has had people speculating.

About to watch a 20-minute theory video from ComicBookCast2 regarding Marvel and Fox bringing Fantastic Four into the MCU. Gotta love speculation videos. ;)
 
After What I just saw in GotG I will be incredibly disappointed if the F4 don't star in a marvel studios movie in 3-5 years time.
 
I think you will be disappointed. My gut feeling says Fox will try another F4 just to spite Marvel. They are not going down without a fight.
 
But would FOX risk it? Fant4stic damaged FOX and cost the company $80-$100 million in losses. And that's after FOX cut costs to the movie. Every FF seemingly has diminishing returns with every movie. Heck, the sequel which was suppose to be released this year was quietly dropped. Sure Fox could try if only to spite Marvel, but financially, it wouldn't be worth it and give up.
 
I think you will be disappointed. My gut feeling says Fox will try another F4 just to spite Marvel. They are not going down without a fight.

I'm not one to underestimate Fox's stubbornness and pettiness, but I don't really see what other approach to could go with. They did the light-hearted comedic route. They did the serious, grounded approach. They went with moderate-to-cheap budgets. And there's no way they'd break the bank for this franchise. So what other approach is left?
 
"Poor results from theatrical releases, including an $90M loss from Fant4stic: Reckoning, led to a reported company wide operating loss for the 1st Quarter. But while our stock has taken a hit with these numbers, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that our spite levels have never been higher!" - James Murdoch, November 15, 2022.
 
I think you will be disappointed. My gut feeling says Fox will try another F4 just to spite Marvel. They are not going down without a fight.

They lost 90 mil with their last travesty. Are they really so idiot they want to become Hollywood's permanent laughing stock by keep making craptastic 4 movies?
 
Disappointing news about **spoiler**:

According to a writer from Cinemablend, Feige said in an interview that Marvel has the rights to the Watchers in general because they first appeared in Strange Tales, but cannot use Uatu specifically because he is at Fox. This means that there wasn't a deal with Fox for the FF or associated characters after all. This is so disheartening for FF fans.

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Cheers for the info.
 
Why is the gotg2 post credit scene being spoiled all of a sudden? I'm abandoning this thread until after I see the movie.its not even out yet in North America
 
Well I wonder if that interview is wrong...the Watcher's first appearance in any Marvel comic was Fantastic 4 # 13...they appeared in a couple of Tales of Suspense but that was AFTER the Watcher's first appearance in Fantastic 4...so its still possible to be part of a larger package/rollout of the F4 and its characters into the MCU...only time will tell

I would like to see someone ask Feige WHY Fox still has the rights. Are they asking for $100 million for rights they'll never use, or have they set a reasonable price that Marvel refuses to pay?

I'd ask it with the realization that I probably wouldn't get a straight answer, but I'd at least ask the damn question.
 
I think you will be disappointed. My gut feeling says Fox will try another F4 just to spite Marvel. They are not going down without a fight.

The thing with this is Fox management isn't an angry, spiteful man sitting alone in a room somewhere. Fox management is a collection of people. Some of those people wanted to make Fant4stic, some didn't. The ones who didn't were able to gloat and say "I told you so" after the fact. The ones who pushed to make it were shown to be spectacularly wrong and were responsible for billions in lost market-cap.

Many of those managers who pushed for Fant4stic probably lost their jobs and the ones who didn't actually get fired likely learned something from their mistake.
 
I think you will be disappointed. My gut feeling says Fox will try another F4 just to spite Marvel. They are not going down without a fight.
Seems unlikely. Their relationships looks to be a bit improved. Everyone knows that support for another film even on a decent budget and a possibility that it was more faithful simply won't bring audiences back without Marvel.
 
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