The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[GeckoMoria]

You have to wonder what Marvel's take on the FF would actually be like considering their approach with Spider-Man is to make everything different then before (they literally said that) even if it flies in the face of the comics.

So while you'd guys almost certainly get a 5x better film than all four of Fox's attempt s, do you think you'd get the definitive adaption of the FF comics everybody is hoping for? What if they apply their approach from Spider-Man to the FF? And what exactly would a reinvented F4 look like?

One thing's for certain, Fox probably is not going try again given how bad Fant4stic performed but it's a really interesting discussion to be had.

Guys, gather around harry is once again gasping at straws. You haven't even seen Spider-man and you already assume that it flies in the face of comics. Out of all the MCU movies how many have been so radically different that aare unreocognizable? None. All of the MCU movies have modernized aspects yet the essense is distinctly recognizable and i dare you to prove me otherwise. Dr Strange, Cap, Iron Man you name it.

Stop reaaching like Reed Richards. it has become really tiresome. Oh and people hoping for definite adaptations are ridiculous. There is no definite adaptation in live-action. The closest to that is Watchmen and this is the extreme exception.

 

[First Avenger]

That's the nice thing about having had three films that were all so completely off-base. The closer you get to the comics, the less recognizable it will be from the Fox efforts. Spider-man's a lot tougher because they came pretty close to capturing key elements over five films.

But despite some people believing the first two films were close to FF, they felt way, WAY off to me.

And I've never been a literalist. I'm fine with changes to the details as long as the key characteristics are maintained. Fox was so far off on the key characteristics that any reasonable effort should be a huge improvement.

Yup. Raimi's Spider-Man was a great take on the character and it was also quite faithful to the source material. Marvel's take will be good on its own way I think.

 

[Spiderine]

You have to wonder what Marvel's take on the FF would actually be like considering their approach with Spider-Man is to make everything different then before (they literally said that) even if it flies in the face of the comics.

So while you'd guys almost certainly get a 5x better film than all four of Fox's attempt s, do you think you'd get the definitive adaption of the FF comics everybody is hoping for? What if they apply their approach from Spider-Man to the FF? And what exactly would a reinvented F4 look like?

One thing's for certain, Fox probably is not going try again given how bad Fant4stic performed but it's a really interesting discussion to be had.

Im ok with changes as long as they maintain the integrity, heart and essence of the character. I always expect changes to appearances and origins in these films. Its getting to the point where they are rebooting so many times they really have no choice now.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

One big potential change that a lot of people have been speculating about is the idea of a retro FF set in the 60's.

I wouldn't have wanted that in 2005, but if Marvel did something like that now, I'd be very interested. And that wouldn't only differentiate it from the Fox films but it would also make it unique in the MCU.

 

[First Avenger]

One big potential change that a lot of people have been speculating about is the idea of a retro FF set in the 60's.

I wouldn't have wanted that in 2005, but if Marvel did something like that now, I'd be very interested. And that wouldn't only differentiate it from the Fox films but it would also make it unique in the MCU.

I think it's a pretty great idea. With how weird and 'Strange' the MCU has become I can honestly see a F4 movie set in the '60 where something happens and they just disappear,only to get back in present time. I don't know,they are somewhere in the Microcosm or whatever. Perhaps they could even borrow a page from the Sentry story where the world basically forgot about them for some reason.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well they managed to set Captain America in the 1940s in the time period he should be in, and it was all the better for it. They didn't try to modify his origin to fit modern times. They could set FF in the 60s and it would look fantastic. The only thing is that if it becomes such a hit and the 60s setting (which could be reminiscent of Mad Men) is extremely popular, then they might end up stuck there and not ever brought to the present to mix with the other heroes.

I don't know if they can come to the present when needed and then return to the 60s, as that would surely change the past.

 

[harryoscop]

One big potential change that a lot of people have been speculating about is the idea of a retro FF set in the 60's.

I wouldn't have wanted that in 2005, but if Marvel did something like that now, I'd be very interested. And that wouldn't only differentiate it from the Fox films but it would also make it unique in the MCU.

Peyton Reed wanted to do that with FF & I have a feeling when they do come back, he gets a chance to direct.. I just wonder how they'll get t the present to interact with modern heroes

 

[Dark Raven]

They can always use Dr Doom's time cube to get them to the present, or some kind of worm hole. Or if they have been lost somewhere in another dimension, they could be freed in the present.

 

[First Avenger]

The microverse could work imo.

 

[Dark Raven]

The microverse could work imo.

The FF explored there before didn't they? Shouldn't the Psycho Man be in there? But then he is the one who turned Sue Richards into Malice, which ultimately led to her adopting the name Invisible Woman instead of Invisible Girl.

 

[First Avenger]

"During one of the Fantastic Four's early battles with Dr. Doom, Doom was exposed to a shrink ray and seemingly shrank out of sight[7]. In reality, Doom was transported into the Microverse where he appeared in the star-system of Sub-Atomica. There he conquered the world of Mirwood and used shrink rays to get revenge against the Fantastic Four. When the FF followed him to the Microverse Doom captured the quartet and attempted to give them as slaves to the Lizard Men of the planet Tok. The Fantastic Four were rescued by the size-changing hero Ant-Man and they crushed Doom's empire forcing Doom to flee back to Earth, and the heroes followed quickly after him. "

Surfer hid there from Galactus too.

 

[Zarex]

My vote is two thumbs up for a 60s era FF film. It would set the reboot apart from FOX's awful efforts and give the First Family room to star apart from the modern day Avengers. And you could have great crossovers with 60s versions of Nick Fury, Peggy Carter, Howard Stark, TChaka, Hank Pym, the Ancient One, and the Bowling Commandos as well as timeless characters like Galactus, the Surfer and Doom. And Kang can make sure Ben and Bruce punch get to punch each other.

 

[Dark Raven]

My vote is two thumbs up for a 60s era FF film. It would set the reboot apart from FOX's awful efforts and give the First Family room to star apart from the modern day Avengers. And you could have great crossovers with 60s versions of Nick Fury, Peggy Carter, Howard Stark, TChaka, Hank Pym, the Ancient One, and the Bowling Commandos as well as timeless characters like Galactus, the Surfer and Doom. And Kang can make sure Ben and Bruce punch get to punch each other.

They probably spend all their time here without their underpants on:

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Something to keep in mind: Fox announced their reboot of the FF about 2 years after ROTSS, and now we're approaching the 2 year point after Fant4stic.

After that, any potential reboot will be behind the schedule followed last time.

The window really is pretty short, and Fox doesn't have enough time for everybody to have forgotten how awful Fant4stic was before they will be forced to start again.

Time is a luxury they don't have.t:

 

[Crimz]

Something to keep in mind: Fox announced their reboot of the FF about 2 years after ROTSS, and now we're approaching the 2 year point after Fant4stic.

After that, any potential reboot will be behind the schedule followed last time.

The window really is pretty short, and Fox doesn't have enough time for everybody to have forgotten how awful Fant4stic was before they will be forced to start again.

Time is a luxury they don't have.t:

Also, if they wanted to sell the rights it would have to be sooner rather the later. The longer Fox waits, the more likely Marvel will hold out til they expire.

It may be my imagination, but there is like a rumbling going on concerning the FF. There is a disturbance in the force

Something is going on concerning the FF. It may not be the rights reverting, but something is definitely happening.

 

[Zarex]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the success of Deadpool and Logan also makes reversion pretty much an eventuality. FOX's last two low budget Marvel adaptations made an awful lot of money and the last two with budgets over $100M either struggled to break even or cost the company a ton of cash. Anyone requesting $150M for an FF revival would be out of the company before you can say "Bill O'Reilly".

 

[Jordacar]

MovieBob just posted the first part of his highly requested "How to Fix FF in the MCU" episode of In Bob We Trust.



While I'm not wild about the time-displacement setup for the Four (and have my own ideas about how to introduce them into them modern age), Bob makes a fine case for how pitching the team's origin through time can offer a unique perspective on the story that would raise it above the previous bland iterations, and offer a glimpse into another era in the history of the MCU.

 

[Zarex]

I usually like Bob's ideas, but I would much prefer seeing the First Family as stars in the 60s than 21st century oddballs. I don't think they gain much by being transported to the present day, but they lose their ability to carve out their own space in the MCU like the Avengers, Defenders and Guardians. I would also like to skip the origin story. Either have someone watch the recording of the incident or reference it in Ben's nightmare.

 

[FVD]

I still like the idea of their origin glossed over on a screen in the Baxter Building while a tour is being conducted or something.

 

[Crimz]

One of my problems with the 60's origin is introducing Dr. Doom. His backstory with Reed is integral to the character, but I hate that the previous films tied his origins with the FF's spaceflight/Negative Zone.

Another is that it would require a retelling of the origin and we would have to go through them learning their powers for a 3rd time. Their is over 50 years of FF stories and yet we have barely ever gotten past the origins in the movies.

I know that them being the "first superheroes" is important to a lot of fans, but I'm not too attached to that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

One of my problems with the 60's origin is introducing Dr. Doom. His backstory with Reed is integral to the character, but I hate that the previous films tied his origins with the FF's spaceflight/Negative Zone.

Another is that it would require a retelling of the origin and we would have to go through them learning their powers for a 3rd time. Their is over 50 years of FF stories and yet we have barely ever gotten past the origins in the movies.

I know that them being the "first superheroes" is important to a lot of fans, but I'm not too attached to that.

I don't think a 60's setting necessitates the retelling of the origin. Couldn't a film set in the 60's start with the FF as an established team? Their origin and relation to Doom can simply be backstory. Details may be touched on, mentioned at points, but there's never any reason that backstory such as that has to be specifically shown on screen.

One thing I always point out is that most of us never started reading our favorite comic-books at the origin. We picked up issue #38 or whatever it was and started reading. Eventually we learned the origin, but that was a minor detail.

 

[Crimz]

I don't think a 60's setting necessitates the retelling of the origin. Couldn't a film set in the 60's start with the FF as an established team? Their origin and relation to Doom can simply be backstory. Details may be touched on, mentioned at points, but there's never any reason that backstory such as that has to be specifically shown on screen.

One thing I always point out is that most of us never started reading our favorite comic-books at the origin. We picked up issue #38 or whatever it was and started reading. Eventually we learned the origin, but that was a minor detail.

That's true, the origin could be a very brief comment or something. But if they are going to be shot into the future (which would likely happen) Doom will have to be brought with them in some way.

I also have a problem with them being active in the 60's, yet people being shocked by Iron Man and others in the present. Ant Man avoided this by being covert and unknown, but the celebrity family can't do that.

I'm just not a fan of the 60's thing. Reed and Ben were great in 60's era FF, but Johnny and especially Sue are better in modern times.

 

[InCali]

My vote is two thumbs up for a 60s era FF film. It would set the reboot apart from FOX's awful efforts and give the First Family room to star apart from the modern day Avengers. And you could have great crossovers with 60s versions of Nick Fury, Peggy Carter, Howard Stark, TChaka, Hank Pym, the Ancient One, and the Bowling Commandos as well as timeless characters like Galactus, the Surfer and Doom. And Kang can make sure Ben and Bruce punch get to punch each other.

They probably spend all their time here without their underpants on:

It was a different Nick Fury (a lot whiter) that led the Bowling Commandos. t:

Oh those tipos.....

 

[Serpico Jones]

It's such a shame that this incredible series is stuck at Fox. Fox has the rights to one of the most beloved villains of all time in Doctor Doom and they have no idea how to use him. This is the character that inspired Darth Vader for ****'s sake.

 

[Zarex]

That's true, the origin could be a very brief comment or something. But if they are going to be shot into the future (which would likely happen) Doom will have to be brought with them in some way.

Doom's easy. You can have 40 something Victor operating in the 60s and 90 year old Doom operating in the present kept vibrant by magic and technology.

I also have a problem with them being active in the 60's, yet people being shocked by Iron Man and others in the present. Ant Man avoided this by being covert and unknown, but the celebrity family can't do that.

That's less easy. But as Willie has mentioned more than a few times, folks have short memories. A superhero team operating in the 60s wouldn't necessarily be a topic of conversation in 2008.

I'm just not a fan of the 60's thing. Reed and Ben were great in 60's era FF, but Johnny and especially Sue are better in modern times.

That's a reasonable point. But I think the FF reboot needs to do something different in an era of peak superhero. And with time travel an official part of the MCU you can still have Johnny hanging with Peter and Ben punching Bruce.