The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[DawnWarrior]

Not feeling 1960's FF at all. Please don't go this route. And I don't want to see them stuck in limbo for the last 40 years either. This would be a horrible approach. We got a period piece with Cap. They need to be set in the present with everyone else.

I'm in this camp as well.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It seems like this calls for a poll: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=529417

 

[Dark Raven]

Do we really need more fish out of water stories in the MCU ? We got Cap & Star Lord when he returns to Earth & Thor etc. One half of their heroes are out of time / from a different time or place

We definitely need Namor as a fish out of water story.

 

[InCali]

For Namor that just makes sense but for the Fantastic Four just have it so that in modern times they do not have their powers yet & perhaps with Reed being as smart as he is they can have it so that Reed being Reed Reed can be responsible for so much of the tech modern day people use but he gives the credit & the fame to somebody else / Reed keeps the rewards because he does not like being in the spot light which obviously is forced to change when they get their powers & this way Stark & Banner can be impressed when they find out about the stuff Reed is responsible for perhaps tie him to Pym Industries

You need to realize that Raven has made about 1 serious post on the hype. When you read something by him (I think him), just think to yourself "He can't be serious".....because he's not.....

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If they did a retro version, I'd like to see them do a solid trilogy before they brought them into modern times (and maybe just end it there - bring them back 20 years from now with some gimmick and a whole new cast).

And IF they did start them in the past and brought them into modern times, I'd hope they wouldn't make them fish out of water. I think the better twist than the cliche' fish out of water would be a team that adapts so quickly they're ahead of everybody else nearly immediately.

 

[Dark Raven]

You need to realize that Raven has made about 1 serious post on the hype. When you read something by him (I think him), just think to yourself "He can't be serious".....because he's not.....

I've made many more serious posts. You'll find plenty if you stop to notice.

Even my posts about having a younger Aunt May back before Sally Field was cast in TASM were serious. People thought back then it was trolling and couldn't be taken seriously, but I've stuck to that point over the years, and now we see it is the majority view. It's not so silly now is it? There's no reason a 15 year old needs an aunt to look like his great grandmother. Think about it: a 15 year old could have a mother in their mid to late thirties, a grandmother in their mid to late fifties, leaving someone who is in their 70s (like Rosemary Harris) as their great grandmother.

 

[Nemeres]

I like the idea of the 60s setting. I get wanting to see them be a part of the MCU, but I don't think it should be the main directive. Not everything has to be a crossover all the time, let the FF stand on their own as a concept and as a property. The retro vibe would be an asset in itself, like added value to help make it distinctive from other superhero fare.

I felt the same way about Spidey in the MCU, to be honest, and I'd have been fine with him not sharing a second of screen time with Tony Stark as long as good movies were being built around him. Which wasn't happening, but the reason wasn't only that he didn't get to hang out with the Avengers.

 

[Zarex]

Whenever I think of a 60s era FF film my first thoughts go immediately to the set photos. A well groomed Reed in a classic suit (The Fantastic Four is not Mad Men!!!!), Sue in a pink Jackie O style dress, Ben in an overcoat and hat and Johnny tooling around in a roadster. It would immediately signal to everyone watching - this IS your father's Fantastic Four.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

this IS your father's Fantastic Four.

Maybe grandfather by the time it comes out. My son will turn 25 this year.

But that also touches on another reason a retro film might make sense. As the kids insist on pointing out the Fantastic Four haven't really been anything special for quite some time (at least since Fox started making crappy films 12 years ago). So the biggest FF fans do tend to be *ahem* older.

 

[Zarex]

The kids these days are morons. I enjoyed First Class. But while it did a nice job involving the Cuban Missile Crisis into its plot, it could have been set anywhere in the 20th century. It didn't ooze the 60s like I hope an FF reboot would.

 

[InCali]

I've made many more serious posts. You'll find plenty if you stop to notice.

Even my posts about having a younger Aunt May back before Sally Field was cast in TASM were serious. People thought back then it was trolling and couldn't be taken seriously, but I've stuck to that point over the years, and now we see it is the majority view. It's not so silly now is it? There's no reason a 15 year old needs an aunt to look like his great grandmother. Think about it: a 15 year old could have a mother in their mid to late thirties, a grandmother in their mid to late fifties, leaving someone who is in their 70s (like Rosemary Harris) as their great grandmother.

You thought I was serious?

 

[Docker2.0]

You need to realize that Raven has made about 1 serious post on the hype. When you read something by him (I think him), just think to yourself "He can't be serious".....because he's not.....

Wait! Raven's a guy? In my head, I read your posts as a girl. WTF! Talk about the crying game!

 

[Big Bang]

Fantastic Four haven't really been anything special for quite some time (at least since Fox started making crappy films 12 years ago).

Frustrating and depressing. That is 12 years (and growing) that the property has missed out on in this age of CBM's that the property could have marketed (properly).

 

[metaphysician]

I am generally opposed to 60s FF, because it would be *faaar* too messy of a retcon for the setting as established. The Fantastic Four should not be secret, and they'd have to be to fit with the current timeline.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

^This is my line of thinking on the F4 being set in the 60s. I need them in full modern day glory

 

[Zarex]

Why would a retcon be required? There's been no indication that there wasn't a superhero family operating four decades before Tony escaped from a cave.

 

[Docker2.0]

I am generally opposed to 60s FF, because it would be *faaar* too messy of a retcon for the setting as established. The Fantastic Four should not be secret, and they'd have to be to fit with the current timeline.

Yep! They are celebrity superstars. They are like the Beetles(60's theme if it is set that way)of superheroes. Paparazzi follows them because they are not only world known but known throughout the universe and different dimensions. Them being made in the 60's and lost in time would make no sense.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I am generally opposed to 60s FF, because it would be *faaar* too messy of a retcon for the setting as established. The Fantastic Four should not be secret, and they'd have to be to fit with the current timeline.

I just don't understand this thinking (but a lot of people seem to think this way, so maybe I'm missing something). What event, what conversation, what line of dialogue in any of the Marvel movies indicated the Fantastic Four didn't exist and weren't well known in the 60's?

I think people are just presuming they didn't exist because we don't know them from our reality, but the MCU reality is different from ours. We need to just use the information provided to us from the movies and not make assumptions beyond the information that's there. Just because they didn't come up in conversation doesn't mean they didn't exist. To use my example from earlier, Jim Morrison, Pol Pot and Jackie Gleason weren't mentioned in any of the films, but just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean they didn't exist.

 

[Zarex]

Should Fury have referenced the First Family when he was putting together the Avengers Initiative? Probably. But the fact that a team of 60s era adventurers is not on the tip of everyone's tongue half a century later is hardly surprising. I think the 60s is the right decade to launch the franchise, but Ill be happy to see them in any decade in the MCU.

 

[Dark Raven]

They could explain it with some temporal paradox that in the current Avengers timeline, the Fantastic Four haven't been born yet. In the 1960s, they were just scientists and adventurers. But someone like Kang (or could be Immortus or Rama Tut, which effectively comes to the same thing as Kang since they're different incarnations) goes back in time and does something that accidentally creates a cosmic storm. This causes these 60s adventurers to transform into the Fantastic Four.

Then the FF could follow this time traveller to modern times to stop him but end up getting stranded here in 2020 or whichever year their movie comes out.

So at the time of all these previous MCU movies, no-one would've talked about the Fantastic Four, because they didn't exist at the time. But now they would talk about them as if they always existed.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ok but how do you explain some kind of Butterfly effect or something Reed Richards would come up with?

 

[Bearzooka]

How about back in the 60's, the F4 piloted an experimental shuttle, got lost in space, then return to the present with superhuman powers?

 

[Spiderine]

Makes the great Reed Richards sound incompetent to me that he couldn't find a way to bring them back home over the course of 50 years if he is the reason they left in the first place.

If they chose to leave earth for good or got kidnapped by some cosmic entity or trapped in some dimension then they are no longer all that fantastic to me.

Reed would basically be the professor from Gilligan's Island.

 

[Bearzooka]

Makes the great Reed Richards sound incompetent to me that he couldn't find a way to bring them back home over the course of 50 years if he is the reason they left in the first place.

If they chose to leave earth for good or got kidnapped by some cosmic entity or trapped in some dimension then they are no longer all that fantastic to me.

Reed would basically be the professor from Gilligan's Island.

Wouldn't call the professor competent, he never got them off the island....

Though I always imagined Russell Johnson would've made a great Reed, Alex Ross too!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let's try a hypothetical: In the first Infinity Wars movie the Avengers need a space-ship. Tony Stark is talking to Vision and says: "Back in 1965, Reed Richards proposed an Ion Drive and claimed to have a working prototype."

As Tony is talking, he scrolls through photos that show Reed Richards (in FF uniform) standing next to a large, Kirbyesque device, Reed Richards standing next to Howard Stark, Reed Richards standing next to LBJ etc.

Would audiences have a problem with that? I don't mean people who might say: "I don't like that story. I don't want them to do that." but I mean people who have seen every Marvel film who might say: "Reed Richards and the FF couldn't have existed back then because of X."

Would that be a real, logistical problem in the MCU, and if so, why?