The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[DawnWarrior]

Cool rundown, as usual. I for one would prefer a modern-day FF instead of pulling them from the 60's; saves us the trouble of pulling Dr. Doom into the present day too.

 

[Jordacar]

At this point, I'm convinced that the 60s time travel origin would be an interesting way to make the FF stand out, especially from the other failed adaptations, but is by no means necessary to the brand and might end up creating more problems than it fixes.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I think we can all agree, no matter what the era it is set in:

1. We want the FF to be a FAMILY again.

2. The tone should be a mix of The Incredibles/Lost In Space/Firefly/Galaxy Quest/Guardians of The Galaxy (in its scope, not humour)

3. Keep it as faithful to the source material as possible.

Any other things you think must be portrayed please share!

 

[random_havoc]

At this point, I'm convinced that the 60s time travel origin would be an interesting way to make the FF stand out, especially from the other failed adaptations, but is by no means necessary to the brand and might end up creating more problems than it fixes.

Exactly what happened with the X-Men First Class decision. Made it unique for a couple movies, but now they can't have the X-Men interact with Deadpool etc without having to use Time Travel, etc. And the retro aesthetic was tired before the first movie even ended

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Exactly what happened with the X-Men First Class decision. Made it unique for a couple movies, but now they can't have the X-Men interact with Deadpool etc without having to use Time Travel, etc. And the retro aesthetic was tired before the first movie even ended

Not to mention they are aggressively and disproportionately accelerating the FC/DOFP timeline to catch up to the present day.

 

[Zarex]

If we do get a retro MCU reboot - and I think there's a decent chance we will - I am confident that Feige and company will be smart enough to avoid completely unnecessary ten year time jumps for each installment.

The difference between the FF and the X-Men is that the 60s soft reboot with First Class anchored the team in a time period. We know from prior films that the X-Men existed in the 80s and 90s, so the team can't jump to the present day Deadpool universe (Deadpooliverse?) without creating additional continuity issues (I know, add them to the pile) and characters at different ages existing at the same time.

The FF, on the other hand, will be coming into the MCU with a clean slate. They can be introduced in the 1960s, time jump to the present day, and then go back to prehistoric times so that Ben can one time a T-Rex. Their lack of history means that they essentially exist outside of the time stream and crossovers with any Marvel characters operating in any time period or dimension should all be on the table.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I think, well hope is more like it, that the clues I am looking for are in those end credits at the end of GotGv2. I'm wondering if there is a cypher we need to crack under those "I am Groot" lines that appeared in the credits. I thought, though my friends who saw it with me did not agree, that maybe there is some message there. I could have sworn that if you went with certain letters in the actual names/titles shown after the flipover, that under the last few reveals, when it hit me, that the word spelled out was one that would blow our minds, as Fiege once promised. "four". Now, I am probably wrong, but, dang-gum-it, that would be a hell of a tease, if it pans out. I won't be able to see the movie again until next weekend, due to work constraints, so I cannot follow up on such.

If it is "Four", I realize it could just be a phase four message, and not apply to here. But, if it is not, and applies to our hopes here? Sneaky, and makes me wonder after that if a similar message is contained in the way the names fade out on the original GotG opening credits.

Probably wrong, but who knows. As Kissinger once said: "Even paranoids have enemies".

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think, well hope is more like it, that the clues I am looking for are in those end credits at the end of GotGv2. I'm wondering if there is a cypher we need to crack under those "I am Groot" lines that appeared in the credits. I thought, though my friends who saw it with me did not agree, that maybe there is some message there. I could have sworn that if you went with certain letters in the actual names/titles shown after the flipover, that under the last few reveals, when it hit me, that the word spelled out was one that would blow our minds, as Fiege once promised. "four". Now, I am probably wrong, but, dang-gum-it, that would be a hell of a tease, if it pans out. I won't be able to see the movie again until next weekend, due to work constraints, so I cannot follow up on such.

If it is "Four", I realize it could just be a phase four message, and not apply to here. But, if it is not, and applies to our hopes here? Sneaky, and makes me wonder after that if a similar message is contained in the way the names fade out on the original GotG opening credits.

Probably wrong, but who knows. As Kissinger once said: "Even paranoids have enemies".

I was busy over the weekend and haven't actually seen it yet but I'm intrigued by what you're saying.

If there is a coded "Four" I think there would be almost no doubt what it related to (I don't think it would make sense to reference phase four as a secret code since we all already know it's coming), so I guess the question is: "Is it really there?"

Has anyone else seen it and can they tell anything from it? Anyone going soon who can check it out?

I would never encourage pirating in any form and always be sure to obey all copyright laws...

...but a quick video of the sequence in question might allow you to go through frame by frame to see if there's really anything there.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I was busy over the weekend and haven't actually seen it yet but I'm intrigued by what you're saying.

If there is a coded "Four" I think there would be almost no doubt what it related to (I don't think it would make sense to reference phase four as a secret code since we all already know it's coming), so I guess the question is: "Is it really there?"

Has anyone else seen it and can they tell anything from it? Anyone going soon who can check it out?

I would never encourage pirating in any form and always be sure to obey all copyright laws...

...but a quick video of the sequence in question might allow you to go through frame by frame to see if there's really anything there.

We were all laughing at it so hard at first, until it hit me about after the third one. Did not think to cap it with my phone, as I am one of those uber-polite movie-goers, who actually turn their phone off. Nor would I have been able to, they had folks watching down by the entry/exit for such all movie long. I like my theater, no need to get banned from it, the next nearest is not in walking distance.

 

[Quasar]

...and then go back to prehistoric times so that Ben can one time a T-Rex.

I'm almost scared to ask what this actually means...

 

[DyfeddRex]

Me too, on that one, Quasar.

 

[Zarex]

I'm almost scared to ask what this actually means...

Knocking him out with a single punch. Not the other thing.

 

[Jordacar]

Part 2 of MovieBob's "How to Fix the FF (in the MCU)" is up!

Adding to this, it occurs to me that the FF pairs the celebrity superhero ideas that the Avengers movies have touched on, with the makeshift family dynamics that really gave life to the Guardians. And whether they kick them off in the 60s or the present, both of those are essential to the FF's onscreen identity.

The FF's celebrity aspects was something that the Tim Story films, for all their flaws, were especially keen on exploring, while the Trank film ran away screaming from it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Knocking him out with a single punch. Not the other thing.

 

[Lilbaz]

Part 2 of MovieBob's "How to Fix the FF (in the MCU)" is up!

Spoiler

I have to say, I'm pretty well sold on making Puppet Master their first major big bad (especially the way he uses him). The movies never had any idea what to do with him, and they could never make Alicia anything besides Ben's gf.

Pretty much everything he says about Doom, I've been saying for years (namely don't make him the origin villain under any circumstances). I'm not sure how he would work the time-travel with him, but by the end I'm convinced it's doable either way. Plus, his idea for the post-credits stinger is close to what I've always imagined.

While he makes a good case for the time-displaced '60s origin in part 1, the best stuff in part 2 could be done pretty easily without the time-travel IMO.

Could live with that.

I would like a doom film though.

 

[Zarex]

I have the second issue! I had to refresh my memory on the interweb, but the story involved Akron, evil Fifth Dimension Reed Richards and a new/old blue skinned girlfriend for Johnny named Valeria (NOT HIS NIECE!) who originally appeared a decade or so earlier in one of his solo Strange Tales Adventures. Johnny's attraction to Valeria (NOT HIS NIECE!) allowed him to move on from Crystal, who he made piece with prior to her wedding in a giant sized edition involving Giant Sized Ultron attacking the combined forces of the FF, Inhumans and the Avengers.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

So one concept i like about the thing coming from the 60s into the presence is the social concept. Cast him as african american (terry crews is my pick, also happens to be his own personal dream) He goes from being a black man in the early 60s in america, to a time where he would be accepted and have rights thats weren't always available to him in his own time. But then he's turned into the thing, and is then tormented by a new set of issues.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I have the second issue! I had to refresh my memory on the interweb, but the story involved Akron, evil Fifth Dimension Reed Richards and a new/old blue skinned girlfriend for Johnny named Valeria (NOT HIS NIECE!) who originally appeared a decade or so earlier in one of his solo Strange Tales Adventures. Johnny's attraction to Valeria (NOT HIS NIECE!) allowed him to move on from Crystal, who he made piece with prior to her wedding in a giant sized edition involving Giant Sized Ultron attacking the combined forces of the FF, Inhumans and the Avengers.

Yep. I remember I had to read that series a couple times as a kid because they had a bunch of different worlds battling and I had to keep going back to try to figure out what the heck was going on.

 

[Jordacar]

So one concept i like about the thing coming from the 60s into the presence is the social concept. Cast him as african american (terry crews is my pick, also happens to be his own personal dream) He goes from being a black man in the early 60s in america, to a time where he would be accepted and have rights thats weren't always available to him in his own time. But then he's turned into the thing, and is then tormented by a new set of issues.

Interesting. Love me some Terry Crews, but I'm generally against a racelift on Ben Grimm for two reasons: 1) Probably not the best idea to take what might be the only actor of color in the main cast and hide him behind a monster suit/CGI for the duration, and 2) Ben is one of the most iconic Jewish-American characters in all comics, and was typically modeled after Jack Kirby.

That being said, I'm also kind of gravitating towards Oscar Isaac as a solid pick for Reed.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I mean if we're keeping a white ben grimm, then joel edgerton is probably my top pick, and a my left field choice is David Borenaz, who i think could surprise some in this role.

 

[eon001]

Part 2 of MovieBob's "How to Fix the FF (in the MCU)" is up!

Spoiler

I have to say, I'm pretty well sold on making Puppet Master their first major big bad (especially the way he uses him). The movies never had any idea what to do with him, and they could never make Alicia anything besides Ben's gf.

Pretty much everything he says about Doom, I've been saying for years (namely don't make him the origin villain under any circumstances). I'm not sure how he would work the time-travel with him, but by the end I'm convinced it's doable either way. Plus, his idea for the post-credits stinger is close to what I've always imagined.

While he makes a good case for the time-displaced '60s origin in part 1, the best stuff in part 2 could be done pretty easily without the time-travel IMO.

The celebrity super heroes is a great idea. Imagine seeing the FF on the late night talk show circuit. Sue Storm on the View. Johnny Storm on Snap chat. I think it would be an interesting angle that I don't think has been explored enough yet.

The Puppet master villain is a master stroke, absolutely LOVE that idea. Build up Doom. Moleman would be my pick for the 2nd movies villain. Doom can play a small role in the 2nd and be the major villain in the 3rd.

Not overly keen about the fish out of water 60's era thing. But most of Bob's pitch could work with them being modern day heroes.

 

[Jordacar]

The celebrity super heroes is a great idea. Imagine seeing the FF on the late night talk show circuit. Sue Storm on the View. Johnny Storm on Snap chat. I think it would be an interesting angle that I don't think has been explored enough yet.

Don't forget Reed getting his own science show like Bill Nye or Mythbusters, called "Mr. Fastastic's..." um... "Science Show" or something (it's also where they'd sneak in HERBIE the robot). My idea is that he had that going on years ago (that way the name's already there right from the start), before any of his friends got powers, so that kind of becomes the seed of the publicity push once they become NY's new faces of super-science heroics.

 

[NealKenneth]

As a fan of MovieBob, I found his pitch to be underwhelming. It came across as a rather by-the-book superhero origin film to me, which I think most people are getting tired of at this point. It also seems like he had an axe to grind against the character of Reed Richards and that's really not the right way to treat him in my opinion. And then there is the scope...the Avengers save Earth in their first film, the Guardians save the galaxy, and the FF just save themselves?

He under-utilizes the MCU as a whole too. Just because Doom is a nemesis of the team doesn't mean he needs to be introduced in one of their films. Why not set him up in a Black Panther, Iron Man or Doctor Strange instead?

There's been a lot of discussion on these boards lately about how to handle the FF and honestly I feel we've done a really good job isolating ways to make them feel distinct.

1. Frequent use of time travel. Use Rick and Morty as a template.
2. Good people, but more interested in exploration than heroics. You know how the new Star Trek films are fun but don't really feel like Star Trek? This is why.
3. Possibly from the 60s.
4. Celebrities. Some questionable ideas are starting to float around but..remember how in Raimi's trilogy, he'd do little segments where they'd interview regular people about Spider-Man? I'd love to see the public's perception of the FF presented in such a way.

Just some ideas.

 

[NealKenneth]

the FF on the late night talk show circuit. Sue Storm on the View. Johnny Storm on Snap chat.

Don't forget Reed getting his own science show like Bill Nye or Mythbusters, called "Mr. Fastastic's..." um... "Science Show" or something

Guys, I gotta say I'm picturing these things and I just hate it. Johnny maybe...I don't think the other three would be so concerned with public image. It's against their character. Also Reed should be a scientist, not an entertainer. No offense to Bill Nye but if you're one of the best scientists in the world, you don't have time to do a television show.

 

[Dark Raven]

Sue was an actress originally wasn't she? She wouldn't be opposed to celebrity status.