The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died - Part 2

[DigificWriter]

I find it highly unlikely that they're going to undermine the climax of Gwen's death with a basically meaningless fight between Pete and Alexei in the Rhino mech.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

At this point, it makes little sense to me to have the Rhino fight take place after Gwen's death, assuming she dies of course. I'm again assuming that if Gwen does indeed die that her death will take place in a scene that is close to the end of the movie. By this I mean her death would be the climax of the film. Expected by some but not by all, her death will have a great emotional impact for the audience, myself included.

Now, it doesn't matter if it's a year or more by what the movie tells me or the audience has passed since her death, this is a very big event and will still only feel like just a few minutes to those watching the movie. I'm not sure how much time they'll devote to the resolution portion of the film post-climax but to have Spidey now cracking-wise and end the movie mid-attack against Rhino seems a bit couter-productive. Almost like they're robbing from the emotional tension-resolution from the impact of Gwen dying. IMO, and I greatly stress my opinion, to end the movie in this manner is lacking.

 

[Airnick]

At this point, it makes little sense to me to have the Rhino fight take place after Gwen's death, assuming she dies of course. I'm again assuming that if Gwen does indeed die that her death will take place in a scene that is close to the end of the movie. By this I mean her death would be the climax of the film. Expected by some but not by all, her death will have a great emotional impact for the audience, myself included.

Now, it doesn't matter if it's a year or more by what the movie tells me or the audience has passed since her death, this is a very big event and will still only feel like just a few minutes to those watching the movie. I'm not sure how much time they'll devote to the resolution portion of the film post-climax but to have Spidey now cracking-wise and end the movie mid-attack against Rhino seems a bit couter-productive. Almost like they're robbing from the emotional tension-resolution from the impact of Gwen dying. IMO, and I greatly stress my opinion, to end the movie in this manner is lacking.

Agreed completely!.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Ending the movie with that kind of a scene would be completely anticlimactic and would completely undermine the emotional impact of Gwen's death, which is why it's not going to happen.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

^ Ending the movie with that kind of a scene would be completely anticlimactic and would completely undermine the emotional impact of Gwen's death, which is why it's not going to happen.

I certainly hope that is the case.

 

[Spideyfan117]

if i remember right someone said spider-man calls him a grey hippopotamus or something like that

alright fine if you really want it to end with rhino and skipping over the mourning part of his first love dying so peter can just get back to his job

Yeah, multiple people reported Spider-man calling Rhino a mechanical hippopotamus.


Rhino won't be at the very end. The little boy that dresses up like him is in that shot and, thematically, that fits more with the beginning of the movie with all the fans cheering him on and him letting it get to his head. He's cocky. Besides that, sl500jazz posted some comparison pics yesterday in another thread that show the Rhino scene and the elevator scene. Both have Spider-man in front of the same building with the same trees. That's a very convincing bit of evidence for it being early in the film.

 

[sl500jazz]

Well! I guess this is how the movie starts. Gotta love the Storyboards right in the background. lol

Spoiler

-Empty Lab
-Parker House
-G5
-Armored Car Chase
-Backpack
-Graduation
-Dim Sum

 

[JOE]

Late for school. Typical Peter Parker...

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm assuming its Richard Parker who is looking at his watch.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I'm assuming its Richard Parker who is looking at his watch.

So it does open with a watch then? I knew it. Right after I read that quote from Webb about the first five minutes of the movie revealing much of the mystery behind Peter's parents, I said the ticking clock was gonna be a watch and it will belong to Richard.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its probably him looking at his watch before he boards the plane. I'm... so... excited!

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I'm assuming its Richard Parker who is looking at his watch.

Probably is. How cool is it that we will get some questions answered right off the bat. That's satisfying. Although I'm sure they won't be ALL answered til later in the movie. It's a good setup.

 

[Super Jim]

It's very hard for me to believe that the Rhino Mech fight scene will be at the end of the movie, after the very intense Electro battle, the very intense Goblin battle and the expected death of Gwen.

What a let down if that's what happens. Sorry, but the Rhino Mech is no where near the same level of threat that Electro will be. It's more of a build up threat, meaning it needs to happen prior to the Electro battle!

So what makes much more sense is for Rhino to be either just one longer scene (meaning he escapes on his way to jail (or wherever) and gets to his Mech) or it is two scenes not spaced too far apart (few days or maybe weeks).

I could see them having Rhino go to jail or Ravenscroft and him escaping due to something that happens with Electro or through the dealings of Harry or Oscorp. I could even see Harry giving a power cell to Rhino so he could power up the mech. We know the mech has a Russian symbol on it, so there is no reason to believe it originates from Oscorp. But again, the power cell, which is what Aleskei was after in the armored car chase scene, is an Oscorp thing, which could connect Harry/Oscorp to the Rhino.

If it's two scenes and Harry has something to do with helping or facilitating Aleskei's escape/release, it means it happens after the talk with dad and the whole "we can change the world" and "not everyone has a happy ending" dialogue, meaning it happens post Harry turning to the dark side.

So, let's say early in the movie, we have the armored car chase scene. This may actually be one of the very first scenes (if not the very first scene). At the end of this scene Aleskei is webbed and gets hauled off to prison.

Likely we would cut to a new scene prior to revisiting Aleskei. This could be when Peter goes home, has to duck under the covers (the whole cleaning the fireplace thing) or the whole clothes washing (laundry sherrif).

I could also see (even though the clothes don't match up) the Oscorp elevator scene happening around this time. Would make a lot of sense to show Max starting to focus on Spiderman and wanting to be like him soon after he is saved by Spiderman. I think it's a good assumption that Max was heading to Oscorp when the armored car chase scene happens. So while Spidey is finishing up with Aleskei, Max is in the elevator with Gwen. They see a live news feed of Spidey dealing with Aleskei. Again, the only thing that bugs me on this one is that he is dressed differently than the way he was when Spidey saves him...

Another important piece to this is when (in relation to the Aleskei/Max scene) does Peter meet up with Harry. For some reason this whole thing seems to be prior to Time's Square, meaning prior to the date scene. Seems pretty obvious that Peter finding out from Harry that Oscorp had him under surveillance is what leads him to confronting May, finding out about his parents' alleged death, and him finding the underground railroad. At the same time this all likely leads Harry to confronting dad and finding out about all of this future stuff and coming to the realization that they can "change the world".

It's hard for me to believe that the light hearted "laundry police" and "we don't have a chimney" is after the "secrets come with consequences".

Also, it seems that once Max has his accident the whole feel of the movie changes to something darker. Once Peter says "I'm trying to help you, let me help you" the threat level amps up, so again it would be very hard for the light hearded Aunt May stuff to happen after that.

When I really think about the Rhino stuff, and how Rhino is supposed to be a small piece of the movie, it makes so much more sense for this to be one extended scene. It makes much more sense for it to happen like this...

- Aleskei and his mercs steal the armored car with the power cells.
- Police chase.
- Spidey comes to help.
- Armored car slams taxi which flys towards Max.
- Spidey swings in and saves Max.
- The armored car drives on, away from Oscorp.
- The Max/Spidey dialog and the "you're my eyes and ears".
- Spidey pursues Aleskei.
- Max continues on to Oscorp.
- Police car traffic jam.
- Spidey stops the armored car.
- Henchmen and machine guns.
- Spidey takes out the henchmen.
- Aleskei with the power cell and the machine gun.
- Spidey takes down Aleskei, webbs him and embarrasses him.
- Max has the elevator scene with Gwen (I know, the clothes don't match - this bugs me).
- (Question - what would Spidey do with the power cell he takes from Aleskei?)
- Aleskei is either thrown into a cop car and taken to prison or he escapes the web.
- Aleskei escapes and gets ahold of one of those power cells. Maybe Spidey gave it to the same cops that arrest Aleskei???
- Aleskei gets to his Rhino Mech.
- Second, more intense battle with the Rhino Mech.
- Missles and higher caliber machine guns.
- Spidey takes down the mech with the manhole cover.
- Aleskei is taken away for good this time.
- The cleaning the chimney dialogue scene.
- Max at home.
- Max going back to work.
- The date scene.
- Max's accident.
- Gwen and Peter realizing something is happening over near Time's Square.
- Time's Square scene.

Again, to have Gwen die at the end of the movie and then to have a non-related (to Gwen's death) battle scene would take so much away from that powerful moment. Makes much more sense to show Peter dealing with the loss (maybe at the funeral or grave) and then show his anger and resolve for revenge. And then fade to black. Leave the audience grieving at the loss of Gwen and feeling Peter's emotions.

 

[Airnick]

Again, to have Gwen die at the end of the movie and then to have a non-related (to Gwen's death) battle scene would take so much away from that powerful moment. Makes much more sense to show Peter dealing with the loss (maybe at the funeral or grave) and then show his anger and resolve for revenge. And then fade to black. Leave the audience grieving at the loss of Gwen and feeling Peter's emotions.

That's what I've been trying to say this whole time.

 

[sl500jazz]

It won't be one extended scene. Based on the storyboards, the armoured car chase is what causes Peter to be late for the graduation. There's nothing there about Rhino.

The actual Rhino battle will probably take place on a completely separate day. I think that is what causes Peter to come up with the lame excuse that he's be cleaning the chimney when Aunt May ask's him how he got so dirty. Besides, Max is wearing different clothes in the elevator scene and in the Alexei chase scene so those most likely do not happen at the same time.

 

[Spideyfan117]

It won't be one extended scene. Based on the storyboards, the armoured car chase is what causes Peter to be late for the graduation. There's nothing there about Rhino.

The actual Rhino battle will probably take place on a completely separate day. I think that is what causes Peter to come up with the lame excuse that he's be cleaning the chimney when Aunt May ask's him how he got so dirty. Besides, Max is wearing different clothes in the elevator scene and in the Alexei chase scene so those most likely do not happen at the same time.

Yeah, definitely not the same scene.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I know. It's just that the "traffic thing" and the "being shot at with machin guns" seems to point more to the armored car chase scene than to the Rhino Mech scene.

Also, I believe the Rhino Mech would be very lacking if it is post the Time's Square.

What some seem to believe is that the date scene is after the Rhino Mech scene and the traffic jam and machine guns is refering to the mech, and not to the armored car chase. This seems off to begin with as those lines seem more appropriate to the armored car chase scene.

But even if it is two separate scenes and the date dialogue is about the Rhino Mech, it's still before Max's accident and Time's Square.

If Max's accident and Time's Square is mid-way through the movie (a good estimation) then Aleskei/Rhino (both scenes) will be in the early/first half of the movie.

Also, it makes a lot of sense that Peter getting all dirty is a result of his fight with Rhino, leading to the "chimney cleaning" dialogue with Aunt May.

So this idea that Rhino happens at the end of the movie doesn't make any sense!

 

[TeeKay]

Spoiler

So just found out Rhino vs Spidey comes after Gwen's death.

How do you all feel about that?

 

[JOE]

I actually like it to be honest. ^ It's a weird forbidden sensation because I know the majority of people here hate it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i don't hate the idea, i just think its abit watered down, i mean i knew they were not gonna do a sad ending but i didn't think they would jump ahead that quick, i'm quite puzzed by it really :/

 

[TeeKay]

I like it too but I don't think they're gonna just jump into the Rhino fight right after.

 

[GuestStar2004]

it really depends how much time is spent grieving like are they gonna do the funeral then have the one on one with aunt may then next he puts the mask back on and goes to stop rhino

i mean they can't end the final battle half hour before the films ends so alot will have to be done in short time

 

[Spidey_62]

it really depends how much time is spent grieving like are they gonna do the funeral then have the one on one with aunt may then next he puts the mask back on and goes to stop rhino

i mean they can't end the final battle half hour before the films ends so alot will have to be done in short time

Remember, the leaked storyboards included a tab saying "one year later" at the end. Aleksei has his big blowout in the beginning, then over a year later he returns as the Rhino. I think it works well thematically for what a big part of the character stands for. Too often do people define him by the huge amount of guilt he bears. Sure, it's a big part of who he is - but what really defines him is his never say die mentality. He will never quit because it's his responsibility not to. I think an ending like this would better show the character at his core than him sulking around.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Sorry, that doesn't make sense.

Question #1: Is there a reference by Gwen due to Peter being late to his date?

The answer is Yes.

Question #2: Does the date scene lead directly to Time's Square?

The answer is Yes.

Question #3: So if Gwen sees Peter at graduation (where he kisses her) and he is late to graduation due to the armored car chase scene (what most are speculating), then why would she be bringing up machine guns and traffic jams on the date, unless she is refering to a second scene with machine guns and traffic jams, and only the Rhino Mech scene fits that.

Answer: Because the Mech Rhino scene doesn't happen after Gwen dies at the end of the movie!!!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Remember, the leaked storyboards included a tab saying "one year later" at the end. Aleksei has his big blowout in the beginning, then over a year later he returns as the Rhino. I think it works well thematically for what a big part of the character stands for. Too often do people define him by the huge amount of guilt he bears. Sure, it's a big part of who he is - but what really defines him is his never say die mentality. He will never quit because it's his responsibility not to. I think an ending like this would better show the character at his core than him sulking around.

isn't 1 year later abit cheap of a way to get around all that though? esp when they wanted people emotionally invested in the relationship of these 2 which webb has hinted many times would be the heart of the film :/

but we will see, hopefully its done well