The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[Nevincer]

I'm not really going to join this debate because it's all a matter of taste, but I'm putting myself down as someone that was very bothered by the TDK suit. It didn't look good to me in most scenes. *shrugs*

 

[Godzilla2014]

For a lot of us it did. What looks good is subjective, of course.

But the fact is there is no big outcry about the TDK suit. It's only the same complaints surfacing from the same little group of people who frequent this thread.

Personally I find most of the criticisms to be hyperbole.

I agree.

 

[BatmanReborn]

Here's another that demonstrates even more wrapping.

And there's still even more room for further wrapping.

Why doesnt someone make an attempt at some photoshopping work of this pic, eliminate all the rubber segments on the legs, only have a crotch piece in black of armor like the chest plate, on the arms, eliminate the biceps segmented latex pieces, basically im saying, how would the suit look if it was all that mesh material underneath the segmented latex pieces?

perhaps just go with the bat providing the chest armor, and a full cloak cape, the muscle definition comes from plates under the mesh, totally differnt than any other superhero suit out there, but appears more capable of movement, and the cloaked cape that has never been used in the movies yet! could provide something the character is supposed to have, ability to become a shadow.

 

[JAK®]

Numbers are meaningful when it comes to movies. Particularly regarding opinions. It was large numbers of negative opinions on Batman Returns being too dark that led us to Schumacher's more colorful Batman despite Returns being a financial success. Clearly the suit has been accepted by the fan base and the general public. Otherwise a noticeable backlash would have been seen, like with the shaky camera fight scenes from Begins or the bat voice in TDK.

The TDK suit gets no such backlash. It gets none at all. With the level of criticism some throw at it in here, you'd swear Nolan put nipples on the costume.

That's my point.

It'll get all the backlash when a new suit comes along and it's no longer the status quo appearance in a well-loved franchise. Just like the Begins suit.

 

[The Joker]

It'll get all the backlash when a new suit comes along and it's no longer the status quo appearance in a well-loved franchise. Just like the Begins suit.

I never saw the Begins suit get a backlash.

Wait, was this backlash on SHH?

 

[JAK®]

I never saw the Begins suit get a backlash.

Wait, was this backlash on SHH?

I don't know if it was just SHH or not. This is the only comic book movie forum I go to. But the Begins suit is now 'allowed' to be criticised. And the TDK suit will as well when we get another one.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I was thinking...

To all of the people that have been whining incessantly about how they want a fabric suit with the plates or whatever underneath:

Do you really think they didn't try something like that out? Concept art, etc? They don't just jump to the final design straight away, right?

 

[Bren]

I'm not really going to join this debate because it's all a matter of taste, but I'm putting myself down as someone that was very bothered by the TDK suit. It didn't look good to me in most scenes. *shrugs*

Agreed.
Is it not possible the costume wasn't as harshly critiqued because the actual film was good. I'm sure it's a possibility.

 

[Nevincer]

Agreed.
Is it not possible the costume wasn't as harshly critiqued because the actual film was good. I'm sure it's a possibility.

Batman usually gets the most backlash if any for TDK. Mostly it's for the voice, but you know what I mean.

 

[JAK®]

I was thinking...

To all of the people that have been whining incessantly about how they want a fabric suit with the plates or whatever underneath:

Do you really think they didn't try something like that out? Concept art, etc? They don't just jump to the final design straight away, right?

We have no evidence either way. Nolan obviously likes Batman looking obviously armoured so they probably didn't explore that route. But we don't know.

But even if they did, just because they didn't go that route isn't proof that it doesn't work. That's just pure logical fallacy.

I mean, to all the people whining about the nipples on the Schumacher suits, you don't really think they never tried doing the suits without nipples, right?

 

[JAK®]

Agreed.
Is it not possible the costume wasn't as harshly critiqued because the actual film was good. I'm sure it's a possibility.

That's definitely the reason why it isn't a big issue for most people. But there's a time and a place for everything, and this is the time and the place for criticising the suit.

 

[JBElliott]

I completely disagree. They look worse. Batman doesn't need them, they came from Superman's costume.

I disagree, the trunks look better; Batman has had then since the beginning and looks more like Batman with them.

Yes, trunks are sillier than a cape. The cape, especially as Batman wears it in the comics (draped over his shoulders and body), breaks up his human outline, which greatly assists camouflage.

Actually, the trunks break up the human form, a point I made before Batman Begins. The cape is silly in that no one wears a cape and there is no realistic way that a cape wouldn't kill Batman in his first night out. The Incredibles had a lot of fun pointing out how silly capes are.

They would accept them, but I don't really need the trunks on film.

I'm glad you agree that the GA would accept capes.

If you want to look like a bat for the purposes of using psychological warfare on your enemies, capes are not silly, they are necessary. Bats need wings.

If you wanted to look like a bat, then wear wings. Stan Lee's version of Batman had wings. Capes are silly. Realistically, no one would be scared of a man dressed in black wearing a cape, certainly not a well armed criminal who would just shoot the caped man in the face (which is neither armored or camouflaged and, realistically, makes for a clear and easy target.

 

[JBElliott]

No, they don't.

And there's a reason no one wears shorts over sweat pants while working out anymore; they realized they did nothing and they looked stupid.

Nope, it was a style that went out of style and will come back one day.

 

[Superman_20]

Could someone explain to me what is going on here? Why do these pictures exist where he is in full costume under harsh light? Is there any reason why these pictures where taken in such silly poses like a hand to the head and a fist out? No photoshop, no cool background, nothing. Why were these taken? Anyone know?

 

[JBElliott]

I could care less about their practicality or purpose, they don't look good. They never did.

The do look good and always have. That's why so many superheroes have had trunks for so long.

 

[TheBatman072]

Could someone explain to me what is going on here? Why do these pictures exist where he is in full costume under harsh light? Is there any reason why these pictures where taken in such silly poses like a hand to the head and a fist out? No photoshop, no cool background, nothing. Why were these taken? Anyone know?

They're promo/test pictures OF the suit. There are many more of those types of pictures around.

 

[JBElliott]

Are you positing that capes are silly?

Indeed I am. Capes are silly. When is the last time you saw a person wearing a cape on the street who wasn't on the way to a comic convention or a costume party or trick or treating?

 

[TheBatman072]

Indeed I am. Capes are silly. When is the last time you saw a person wearing a cape on the street who wasn't on the way to a comic convention or a costume party or trick or treating?

In a superhero movie.

 

[sly]

The do look good and always have. That's why so many superheroes have had trunks for so long.

Yes, and basketball players wore shorts barely covering their testicles for a long time, too. Eventually the general population realized how silly it was. Times change... styles change... and underwear on the outside of a grown man's pants (superhero or not) just don't work anymore.

 

[JBElliott]

Yes, and basketball players wore shorts barely covering their testicles for a long time, too. Eventually the general population realized how silly it was. Times change... styles change... and underwear on the outside of a grown man's pants (superhero or not) just don't work anymore.

Yes it does.

 

[JBElliott]

In a superhero movie.

The general audience will never take anyone wearing a cape seriously.

 

[Troy_Parker]

The general audience will never take anyone wearing a cape seriously.

I'd take a dude wearing a cape dressed in black beating the **** out of people seriously.

I'd laugh a little at a dude wearing a cape and his underwear on his outside, beating the **** out of people.

 

[JAK®]

I'd take a dude wearing a cape dressed in black beating the **** out of people seriously.

I'd laugh a little at a dude wearing a cape and his underwear on his outside, beating the **** out of people.

Which is strange, since that underwear will also be black so it seems you are contradicting yourself.

 

[Godzilla2014]

How does everyone feel about the trunks? Should they be on our hypothetical comic-styled film Batsuit, and why or why not?

My opinion: Leave them off. The whole reason that Batman even has them in the first place was that Batman's costume started off with a palette-swap of Superman's. Batman is wholly different character from Superman, and I'm fine with him looking different. Today, trunks are dated and misunderstood, their original meaning lost on contemporary audiences.
Getting rid of them for the redesigned Batman, Inc. Batsuit was a great move by DC, and it works very well.

Keeping them off for the relaunch Batsuit, in addition to the simple non-oval Bat-symbol, makes it one of my favorite incarnation of the Batsuit for the comic books.

Furthermore, a black utility belt can serve the same color scheme purposes and look even better, and it makes more sense from Bruce's point of view.

 

[BlueLantern]

For a lot of us it did. What looks good is subjective, of course.

But the fact is there is no big outcry about the TDK suit. It's only the same complaints surfacing from the same little group of people who frequent this thread.

Personally I find most of the criticisms to be hyperbole.

This particular statement is so true it could fit in any thread in regards to a suit.