The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Mr. Earle]

I'd like something like that. It makes sense that he wouldnt want to use something that looks like a gun, plus the fact that you transmit this hate for guns to kids even more effectively. Not only that but (to indulge those of you who are into technicalities) i think that its shape is better because it balances the weigh to the whole fist as opposed to applying most of it to the first two fingers.

In any case it should be smaller and they shouldnt be too worried about packing everything on his belt for reals. Its a movie. Just have him pull stuff from magic pouches behind his back. Who the hell cares?


Oh wait.... Nolanites do.

 

[the dmg]

I'd like something like that. It makes sense that he wouldnt want to use something that looks like a gun, plus the fact that you transmit this hate for guns to kids even more effectively.

I don't know why either. It seems it would be easier to hold onto and have a better grip in between your ring and middle finger.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'd like something like that. It makes sense that he wouldnt want to use something that looks like a gun, plus the fact that you transmit this hate for guns to kids even more effectively. Not only that but (to indulge those of you who are into technicalities) i think that its shape is better because it balances the weigh to the whole fist as opposed to applying most of it to the first two fingers.

Hell no. These films are not meant to "transmit hate for guns to kids", they are meant to be a great film about Batman. The way I see it, so long as it's not actually a regular firearm, Batman wouldn't give a rat's ass about a gadget like the grapnel looking like a gun if it was effective for its intended purpose.

In any case it should be smaller and they shouldnt be too worried about packing everything on his belt for reals. Its a movie. Just have him pull stuff from magic pouches behind his back. Who the hell cares?


Oh wait.... Nolanites do.

If you don't like those kind of things, don't watch these films. Personally, I like that attention is paid to these kind of things.

 

[TheBatman072]

Hell no. These films are not meant to "transmit hate for guns to kids", they are meant to be a great film about Batman. The way I see it, so long as it's not actually a regular firearm, Batman wouldn't give a rat's ass about a gadget like the grapnel looking like a gun if it was effective for its intended purpose.



If you don't like those kind of things, don't watch these films. Personally, I like that attention is paid to these kind of things.

Oh no. Why would he do that?

Then he wouldn't be able to come on here and ***** and complain about the things he doesn't like!

 

[Mr. Earle]

I didnt even whine, i just said i prefered an alternate design but god forbid anyone find any fault with your precious movie. Its like how rednecks are like: "You dont like America's foreign policy? Then GIT OUT!"

I'm sure you guys consider TDK 100% perfect and thus i am at fault here and shouldnt be watching Nolan's movies.

Hell no. These films are not meant to "transmit hate for guns to kids", they are meant to be a great film about Batman. The way I see it, so long as it's not actually a regular firearm, Batman wouldn't give a rat's ass about a gadget like the grapnel looking like a gun if it was effective for its intended purpose.

Batman isnt supposed to be seen anyway. I meant Batman as a franchise passing a few messages along the way of explosions and cool gadgets. Between all these lectures on morality and not killing, why would batman use anything resembling a gun, which he hates? Wouldnt it be better if Batman's cool gadgets didnt look like lethal weapons?

 

[TheBatman072]

A post on par with your usual Earle.

 

[Mr. Earle]

A post on par with your usual Earle.

As opposed to your style which is flamming other posters and acting like an *******. Congrats you re the first person i add to my ignore list.

 

[TheBatman072]

I'd like something like that. It makes sense that he wouldnt want to use something that looks like a gun, plus the fact that you transmit this hate for guns to kids even more effectively. Not only that but (to indulge those of you who are into technicalities) i think that its shape is better because it balances the weigh to the whole fist as opposed to applying most of it to the first two fingers.

In any case it should be smaller and they shouldnt be too worried about packing everything on his belt for reals. Its a movie. Just have him pull stuff from magic pouches behind his back. Who the hell cares?


Oh wait.... Nolanites do.

As opposed to your style which is flamming other posters and acting like an *******. Congrats you re the first person i add to my ignore list.

I'm not sure who you're describing here to be honest.

 

[Showtime]

How about we pump the brakes on the mundane bickering and continue talking bout the suit and various gadgets.

 

[Saint]

It makes sense that he wouldnt want to use something that looks like a gun

Does it? Batman doesn't hate guns because they look a certain way; he hates them because of what they are and what they're used for. I don't think Batman cares if his grapple looks like a gun, because it isn't a gun.

Don't mistake me; I generally prefer designs where the grapple doesn't look like a gun just because I think they're more interesting--I just don't think Batman really cares whether his equipment is vaguely gun-like in it's appearance.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Its pretty obvious from the way he throws his gun in the sea that he despises them. I know that the grapple isnt an actual gun, but wouldnt it remind him of real ones, like the one that killed his parents? He's had quite a few nightmares and flashes of that scene during Begins.

Furthermore, while his vehicles are filled with machine guns and rockets, those are some pretty heavy stuff that one cant actually find that easy, but when he's parading around with a grapple gun on his thigh, it kind of relates to actual guns and i know that every little detail matters because kids are all about the image. If there's one thing that Batman should teach kids its that guns are not cool. You shouldnt even be playing with a fake pistol hanging from your waist. Guns are for losers like TwoFace, and you dont wanna be Twoface, you want to be Batman!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Its pretty apparent from the way he throws his gun in the sea that he despises guns. I know that the grapple isnt an actual gun, but wouldnt it remind him of real ones, like the one that killed his parents? He's had quite a few nightmares and flashes of that scene during Begins.

Furthermore, while his vehicles are filled with machine guns and rockets, those are some pretty heavy stuff that one cant actually find that easy, but when he's parading around with a grapple gun on his thigh, it kind of relates to actual guns and i know that every little detail matters because kids are all about the image.

I think Saint says it best here:

Does it? Batman doesn't hate guns because they look a certain way; he hates them because of what they are and what they're used for. I don't think Batman cares if his grapple looks like a gun, because it isn't a gun.

Batman doesn't care if the grapple reminds of real ones. If it did, we would have been shown that in these films. What we have seen, is not a single hint of such problems. Again you bring up the kids. I have news for you: THESE FILMS ARE NOT MEANT FOR ****ING KIDS! There was no attempt, especially with TDK, to sell the movie to children. There was even a controversy over the content of TDK, and it's not a kid-friendly movie. If you want a kid friendly Batman film that favors style over substance, that's what the Schumacher movies are for.

 

[Saint]

Its pretty obvious from the way he throws his gun in the sea that he despises them. I know that the grapple isnt an actual gun, but wouldnt it remind him of real ones, like the one that killed his parents? He's had quite a few nightmares and flashes of that scene during Begins.

He's also a rational person who probably isn't going to be bothered if his equipment looks like something he doesn't like. He doesn't like bats, either, but he still dresses like one.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think Saint says it best here:

Batman doesn't care if the grapple reminds of real ones. If it did, we would have been shown that in these films. What we have seen, is not a single hint of such problems. Again you bring up the kids. I have news for you: THESE FILMS ARE NOT MEANT FOR ****ING KIDS! There was no attempt, especially with TDK, to sell the movie to children. There was even a controversy over the content of TDK, and it's not a kid-friendly movie. If you want a kid friendly Batman film that favors style over substance, that's what the Schumacher movies are for.

Its not just TDK, its every incarnation of Batman, from the comics to the video games to the animated series. And its not style over substance, we're talking about the design of his gadget, that's as trivial as it gets.

He's also a rational person who probably isn't going to be bothered if his equipment looks like something he doesn't like.

He's rational sure, but he is rather obsessed about certain things. I am not saying that guns should make him sick, in fact i like how in some comic he teaches Robin how to use them so that he knows the enemy, but i'd rather he distances himself as much as possible from them. Nolan's grapple gun really looks like an actual gun and when he's pointing at the next rooftop its like he's about to shoot somebody. Its not a big issue really, but i could see him despising even that slight similarity and opting for a different design.

He doesn't like bats, either, but he still dresses like one.

"To conquer fear you must become fear. You must bask in the fear of other men."

Damn if i dont know Begins' dialogue by heart. t:

 

[Lencho01]

I'd like to see Batman glide and use his grapple gun like they showed in the Deadshot short of Gotham Knight or most recently, the Arkham City gameplay trailer.

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[Mr. Earle]

Imagine a rooftop chase scene between Batman and Catwoman using gliding, grapple guns, whips and parkour.... WIN!

 

[Godzilla2014]

Its not just TDK, its every incarnation of Batman, from the comics to the video games to the animated series. And its not style over substance, we're talking about the design of his gadget, that's as trivial as it gets.

I personally dislike the idea of Batman being watered down for kids on the screen. That's just my opinion.

He's rational sure, but he is rather obsessed about certain things. I am not saying that guns should make him sick, in fact i like how in some comic he teaches Robin how to use them so that he knows the enemy, but i'd rather he distances himself as much as possible from them. Nolan's grapple gun really looks like an actual gun and when he's pointing at the next rooftop its like he's about to shoot somebody. Its not a big issue really, but i could see him despising even that slight similarity and opting for a different design.

I can't, at least in these films. If he had a problem with the grapple gun looking too much like a regular gun, we would have (or should have) seen at least a hint in one of the two films we have seen. As we haven't, I think it would be a bad move at this point.

 

[Lencho01]

Imagine a rooftop chase scene between Batman and Catwoman using gliding, grapple guns, whips and parkour.... WIN!

It's too cool and not "real", so it won't happen. t:

 

[Mr. Earle]

I personally dislike the idea of Batman being watered down for kids on the screen. That's just my opinion.

Its not watered down if they choose one valid design (it was used in BTAS) over another. I never suggested they turn this into a saturday morning cartoon anyway, just said that besides the in universe logic they could also do it for the anti-gun meta.

I can't, at least in these films. If he had a problem with the grapple gun looking too much like a regular gun, we would have (or should have) seen at least a hint in one of the two films we have seen.

I doubt it will change at this point yeah.

As we haven't, I think it would be a bad move at this point.

Batman always fiddles and improves his gear, not to mention that most people wouldnt even notice that his grapple gun has a new design so i dont see what's the big deal here.

Its a trivial issue really. Its like discussing whether Nolan's batarangs are better than those in Arkham Asylum.

 

[Saint]

He's rational sure, but he is rather obsessed about certain things. I am not saying that guns should make him sick, in fact i like how in some comic he teaches Robin how to use them so that he knows the enemy, but i'd rather he distances himself as much as possible from them.

Yes, I know how you feel about the grapple gun. But what you feel and what Batman would care about aren't the same thing.

"To conquer fear you must become fear. You must bask in the fear of other men."

I'm not sure how this is a response to my argument.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes, I know how you feel about the grapple gun. But what you feel and what Batman would care about aren't the same thing.

I already explained why i think he would care when i told you about all the nightmares and nasty flashbacks he's had of the scene of his parents' murder and how he looked at the gun before throwing it in the sea. When that didnt cut it for you, i just resorted to "its cool man, i just prefer it this way".

I'm not sure how this is a response to my argument.

I meant that he does it for a reason.

 

[Saint]

I meant that he does it for a reason.

And so too does he disregard his grapple's appearance for a reason; the reason being that it's appearance is irrelevant, and allowing such to dictate his loadout would be irrational.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

i really dont think batman would care about his grapple guns look...as long as it worked........lol

 

[Texas Zombie]

I found some fault in tdk, I would have loved for tdk to end with Harvey alive. An entire film dedicated to him would have been good, have it end with batman saying he would catch Harvey.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Enough with the gun already. I feel bad about bringing it up, Christ.

For what it's worth - the grappling hook shouldn't even look like a damned gun, the original bat-themed gadgets are a lot more consistent with the overall design. Bruce could've re-tooled it. Heck, he should learn a thing or two now after the incident with Reese, the bat-gears need to stop resembling Wayne-Tech pet projects.

Nolan, that's something for you think at nights.

As for the bat-suit, I hope whatever they do they emphasise on STEALTH. The first one was about intimidation, the second about mobility and function, this time it should be about stealth. At least in terms of thematic designing.