The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[The Red Hood]

I personally dislike the idea of Batman being watered down for kids on the screen. That's just my opinion.

 

[BatScot]

Furthermore, while his vehicles are filled with machine guns and rockets, those are some pretty heavy stuff that one cant actually find that easy, but when he's parading around with a grapple gun on his thigh, it kind of relates to actual guns and i know that every little detail matters because kids are all about the image.

This actually touches on a more fundamental problem: A Batman who is opposed to using a gun is not compatible with a Batman who outfits his tank-mobile with missiles. In any case, I don't recall that Nolan's Batman was opposed to guns per se—Nolan just didn’t go that deep into the ‘a gun was used to kill my parents’ motif—but rather that he chose not to intentionally kill another person, by any means. That being said, Nolan's Batman (and Burton's before him) clearly accepted the possibility of collateral damage even to the extent that it might result in the death of another person. And that poses it's own set of problems.

If there's one thing that Batman should teach kids its that guns are not cool. You shouldnt even be playing with a fake pistol hanging from your waist. Guns are for losers like TwoFace, and you dont wanna be Twoface, you want to be Batman!

I'm not sure that's good batmentoring... "okay kid, I don't want you playing with guns. Guns are not cool. Now go put on a rubber suit and go swing from the roof with that grapply looking tube thing. And make sure your home before sunrise."

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Good parenting is giving your child the freedom to vent out her violent indulgences...THROUGH GRAND THEFT AUTO BABY!

Or LEFT 4 DEAD. I try that with my baby sister and she's a total riot. Damn good parenting in my opinion. In a few years we'll start MORTAL KOMBAT or something in the strategy genre. On the plus side, she's fascinated by PORTAL. Seems to understand virtual reality at the age of 3. Good practice for when the world turns digital.

 

[BatScot]

Well alrighty then.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Well it is.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Thanks! Batman may appeal to kids, but he doesn't need to be watered down for them. I grew up watching the Burton films and BATMAN: The Animated Series, and sure I didn't understand the subtext then, but I do now when I watch them. I suspect that the next generation of Bat-fans may feel the same about the Nolan films.

This actually touches on a more fundamental problem: A Batman who is opposed to using a gun is not compatible with a Batman who outfits his tank-mobile with missiles. In any case, I don't recall that Nolan's Batman was opposed to guns per se—Nolan just didn’t go that deep into the ‘a gun was used to kill my parents’ motif—but rather that he chose not to intentionally kill another person, by any means. That being said, Nolan's Batman (and Burton's before him) clearly accepted the possibility of collateral damage even to the extent that it might result in the death of another person. And that poses it's own set of problems.

I prefer Batman being "no executioner" as it is in the Nolan films. That's the way it is in the comics, as this aritcle discusses. The war on crime may cause collateral damage. Some criminals may die accidentally. **** happens. Batman must be able to deal with it.

I'm not sure that's good batmentoring... "okay kid, I don't want you playing with guns. Guns are not cool. Now go put on a rubber suit and go swing from the roof with that grapply looking tube thing. And make sure your home before sunrise."

Agreed.

 

[the dmg]

Its a trivial issue really. Its like discussing whether Nolan's batarangs are better than those in Arkham Asylum.

Nolan barely utilized the batarangs.

 

[Boom]

Back to the batsuit...

A sleek Catwoman is going to look quite jarring when standing next to TDK's Plateman.

Here's hoping for a new suit in TDKR .

 

[JAK®]

Back to the batsuit...

A sleek Catwoman is going to look quite jarring when standing next to TDK's Plateman.

Here's hoping for a new suit in TDKR .

Yeah, I can't wait for Catwoman to appear in her sleek, fabric-based non armoured costume, and hear the justification people give for why she can get away with it and Batman can't.

(I already know the answer, it's because female characters have to look attractive at all costs)

 

[Boom]

 

[not_a_victim]

Thanks! Batman may appeal to kids, but he doesn't need to be watered down for them. I grew up watching the Burton films and BATMAN: The Animated Series, and sure I didn't understand the subtext then, but I do now when I watch them. I suspect that the next generation of Bat-fans may feel the same about the Nolan films.



I prefer Batman being "no executioner" as it is in the Nolan films. That's the way it is in the comics, as this aritcle discusses. The war on crime may cause collateral damage. Some criminals may die accidentally. **** happens. Batman must be able to deal with it.


Agreed.

Not being an executioner does not equate not killing, however. Think he was trying to say, "I won't punish people. I will leave that up to the criminal justice system when I can." He tries his best to leave the trial and subsequent punishment to the real law....
I like to think of Batman as a ramped-up police officer. Police officers don't execute either, except in extreme cases where an arrest or response goes awry... I think Nolan's Batman isn't totally against killing per se, he just doesn't want to do it when it's not necessary

 

[regwec]

Yeah, I can't wait for Catwoman to appear in her sleek, fabric-based non armoured costume, and hear the justification people give for why she can get away with it and Batman can't.

(I already know the answer, it's because female characters have to look attractive at all costs)

Just as likely is that "no sex please" Nolan will mummify Anne's body in ugly, heavy rubber pads and straps. Realism, remember.

 

[Travesty]

Just as likely is that "no sex please" Nolan will mummify Anne's body in ugly, heavy rubber pads and straps. Realism, remember.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. I'm extremely eager to see what she looks like in the suit, though.

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm sure Nolan recognises CW's traits, sex appeal being one of them. The pads and rubber were applied to Batman, yes, but his character is not supposed to be sexy.

 

[JAK®]

I'm sure Nolan recognises CW's traits, sex appeal being one of them. The pads and rubber were applied to Batman, yes, but his character is not supposed to be sexy.

But what if Catwoman gets shot?

 

[Gianakin_]

She dies? Or, according to Burton, she gets 8 more chances.

 

[JAK®]

She dies? Or, according to Burton, she gets 8 more chances.

So you're perfectly okay with Catwoman running around in a form-fitting, fabric based, non-armoured costume?

 

[Gianakin_]

So you're perfectly okay with Catwoman running around in a form-fitting, fabric based, non-armoured costume?

Sure. Why wouldn't I be? Are you mistaking me for a poster who gives a f**k about realism and explanations about every single thing?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

With TDK there was a lot of focus on Batman's gadgetry. Somehow I think that stifled his image as a gumshoe detective (though those elements are certainly there as well). I think the only reason we had so much 'padded' designs with the Bat-suit is because it was meant to be that way -- to evoke a super-soldier's exoskeleton.

If anything, that's more similar to Bane's characterisation than Catwoman's. Also, can we please take the Catwoman costume discussions on the other thread I created? Y'know, for the sake of it?

 

[Gianakin_]

Batman's suit in TDK reflected his characterization/evolution/approach. I'm sure we'll get a corresponding one in TDKR.

 

[BatScot]

I think the only reason we had so much 'padded' designs with the Bat-suit is because it was meant to be that way -- to evoke a super-soldier's exoskeleton.

The thing is, it doesn't have to be that way. And in any case, the TDK suit is a de-evolution—something less protective, a compromise, a deconstruction—this idea that the TDK suit is some how an evolution of design is nonsense and ignores the facts given for the suit within the film narrative. I'm hoping that Nolan not only comes up with a better "reason" for the next batsuit but that someone also comes up with better ideas for it's material and construction... and also that it not look like $#*t

 

[Secret Fawful]

So you're perfectly okay with Catwoman running around in a form-fitting, fabric based, non-armoured costume?

I'm okay with BATMAN doing that. He's Batman. He can dodge every fricking bullet, because he's BATMAN. He's Batman because he can dodge every bullet and disarm every armed villain of their club or knife or whatever. Which is part of why I hate the dogs thing in TDK; I don't buy it. Use some friggin gas pellets on them for crying out loud. You're Batman; you can afford to do that.

 

[Gianakin_]

Pretty much.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

BatScott, I think the keyword in your post--and I love it--really is deconstruction. That's what I feel about about the TDK suit. However, I wouldn't go far enough to call it a devolution. The suit is moved forwards, it's been 'improved', both in terms of function and it's role in the story. It does reinterpret the true function of the bat-suit and removes many things that TDK deems unnecessary; but in the end whatever aspects of the Begins suit it removed, it added by the sheer fact that it's something new.

I mean new both in the sense of the material used, and the reasons given within the story. There's a lot of antipathy towards the TDK suit from bat-fans because it doesn't adhere strictly to what we're used to in the comics, but to be honest, it is an improvement in terms of design. It tries to focus on elements of the classic batsuit that hasn't been focused on in the films -- the sheer power of tech that comes with it. That's the impression I get from the TDK suit. It's also something I got at the end of DK:R when Batman was fighting that Big Blue Boyscout.

 

[Shazam]

I am truly hoping for a departure from the Black rubber armored suits. Something that more resembles the Comics.....maybe use the mesh-like material they are using on the new Spiderman film....just colored a very dark grey.

It can be some type of Wayne Tech flexible fiber knife-proof and bullet proof material. But I am tired of the Tim Burton thing Redux....over and over. Just for this last Nolan fim, give us something like this: