The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

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Yeah, to think that people (even in the comics and I don't care if there are 100000000 super-powered/supernatural characters in the DC universe) would believe there is a Bat-creature and fear him for THAT is something I really find completely ******ed.

He should be feared because of what he does. That was the case in BB, it was purposefully omitted in TDK and I can bet most of my belongings that it will be back in TDKR, albeit in a different light.
 
Yeah, to think that people (even in the comics and I don't care if there are 100000000 super-powered/supernatural characters in the DC universe) would believe there is a Bat-creature and fear him for THAT is something I really find completely ******ed.
O'RLY? You wouldnt be scared of that? Ok then.... :whatever:

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O'RLY? You wouldnt be scared of that? Ok then.... :whatever:

I... was talking about Batman himself. Only if they make a story which is about confusing Batman with Man-Bat would I accept your "point".

But the way it goes is: A crime is taking place, Batman shows up, beats criminals, leaves. Criminals know it was a man in a suit, creature legend over. Criminals also know that the guy is unstoppable, vigilante legend continues.

Man-Bat is completely irrelevant to my point , because criminals encounter Batman, who... is not a creature.
 
Quite honestly if watching an incoming aerial attack from either Batman or Manbat it would be pretty scary no matter which one of it was although Manbat would be even more jarring and disturbing that much is for sure.

If I was the one seeing this all take place in first person I'd probably wouldn't make it out with a clean set of boxers.

Seriously, think about it. It would be totally terrifying.

I think Batman also maintains a fear among many criminals no matter how petty or big due to the fact that he hasn't been taken down by any of them and he's locked a ton of them back in jail. Thats the part that really is creating that fear in Gotham and having a greater effect than the government, police and any other city official was doing for the city. It takes a deadly force twisted for the good of maintaining order through questionable ways but one that still is promoting a better functioning Gotham that isn't tormented by these criminals.

Thats the scary part and no matter how realistic Nolans series may be he hasn't restricted the results of Batman's otherworldliness sense of evading death from the most difficult situations involving maniacs with weapons hired by mobsters who also use fire arms and still have no success in causing much harm.

So for me despite the love for the BB costume and the display of his abilities in that film, I still thinks TDK kept that message incredibly intact and deserves credit for that. He adopts a new suit which is less intimidating but more functional for movement and that helps Wayne who lets remember trained as one of the most elusive type of "ninja" per say under a shadow society that uses a secret methodology of ninjatsu/martial arts which also holds the understanding of being truly invisible.

As a criminal that would be totally terrifying and demoralizing.
 
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I... was talking about Batman himself. Only if they make a story which is about confusing Batman with Man-Bat would I accept your "point".

But the way it goes is: A crime is taking place, Batman shows up, beats criminals, leaves. Criminals know it was a man in a suit, creature legend over. Criminals also know that the guy is unstoppable, vigilante legend continues.

Man-Bat is completely irrelevant to my point , because criminals encounter Batman, who... is not a creature.
You were talking about the comics were such a creature exists. Sure after a while people would realise batman is just a dude, but he could be superpowered or just nuts.

Besides, Batman is supposed to look scary and anyone in a scary suit in the dark should make people poop their pants. Shouldnt he?
 
You were talking about the comics were such a creature exists. Sure after a while people would realise batman is just a dude, but he could be superpowered or just nuts.

I was talking about the fact that even in the comics I don't like it when people think he's a creature. Superpowered, nuts? Cool. Creature? No.

Besides, Batman is supposed to look scary and anyone in a scary suit in the dark should make people poop their pants. Shouldnt he?

Well, you sorta prove my point right now. "Anyone in a scary suit" does not equal "creature".

Look, I'm not arguing that people should fear him. I'm arguing WHY people should fear him. They should fear him because of what he does (and what he looks like to an extent, naturally), but not because they think he's a creature.
 
I think that the symbol of Batman in itself leads to that intimidation; whether or not he's a creature comes second to the fact that he really is force to be reckoned with. In the comics this is even more so because he's "just a man" who's doing all these invincible feats, just imagine what he'd do if he did have superpowers.

There is something inherently terrifying about an ordinary man who is driven to the point of lunacy where he keeps coming back from broken backs, keeps taking the bullet, keeps defeating the biggest enemies (both physical and otherwise) imaginable, and still not breaking a sweat. Even if he is a man, he's a scary one at that.

His legacy is made not by his presence in a given situation but through the consequences of his actions - walking down a street in Gotham City you know that there is a man dressed as a giant Bat who would go to any bounds to bring his sense of order to the streets. He cannot be reasoned with, cannot be defeated, and above all, he cannot be escaped. A personification rather than a creature. In TDKR I want to see that immediately as it starts - that shadow lurking in the night, being everywhere, that feeling of being 'watched by a silent guardian'. That's Batman. The guy who's even out on torrential rain, a detective who stops at nothing. You can hunt down a creature but you cannot wound an elemental symbol.

With TDKR, I want to be able to see that LEGEND of the Batman persona from the beginning, and it's really already established; he's living in the cave, at the Wayne Manor as we know him to be, his gadgets are more reflective of the bat-theme, he has a rogue's gallery of freaks, his only ally in the city is COMMISSIONER Gordon... come to think of it, forget a 'Life Beyond Nolan' batman movie where everything is more akin to the comics, I think we got ourselves a very comics-faithful Batman coming sooner than that.
 
Look, I'm not arguing that people should fear him. I'm arguing WHY people should fear him. They should fear him because of what he does (and what he looks like to an extent, naturally), but not because they think he's a creature.

I get that too. I think we all do. Btw, what do you guys think about that whole 'Does Batman exist or doesn't he' debacle that was all the rage a few years back in the comics (War Games)? I think Batman's existence should obviously be acknowledged by the Gotham media, and the people too, but there have been stories in the comics that have suggested that Batman is a true-blue Urban Legend, a boogeyman of sorts, where his existence is as much a fable as reborn Elvis.

I like the idea of a Batman who isn't seen by the media, whose sightings are rare and appearances count, but similarly whose presence is felt everywhere. A Batman, a MAN you can't keep down, who will trump your evil schemes time and again and leave no trace, who is there, but you cannot see him. A relentless force that does not compromise.
 
I very much like the idea of Batman's existence not being generally acknowledged. It can provide for some very interesting stories.
 
I think that the symbol of Batman in itself leads to that intimidation; whether or not he's a creature comes second to the fact that he really is force to be reckoned with. In the comics this is even more so because he's "just a man" who's doing all these invincible feats, just imagine what he'd do if he did have superpowers.

There is something inherently terrifying about an ordinary man who is driven to the point of lunacy where he keeps coming back from broken backs, keeps taking the bullet, keeps defeating the biggest enemies (both physical and otherwise) imaginable, and still not breaking a sweat. Even if he is a man, he's a scary one at that.

His legacy is made not by his presence in a given situation but through the consequences of his actions - walking down a street in Gotham City you know that there is a man dressed as a giant Bat who would go to any bounds to bring his sense of order to the streets. He cannot be reasoned with, cannot be defeated, and above all, he cannot be escaped. A personification rather than a creature. In TDKR I want to see that immediately as it starts - that shadow lurking in the night, being everywhere, that feeling of being 'watched by a silent guardian'. That's Batman. The guy who's even out on torrential rain, a detective who stops at nothing. You can hunt down a creature but you cannot wound an elemental symbol.

With TDKR, I want to be able to see that LEGEND of the Batman persona from the beginning, and it's really already established; he's living in the cave, at the Wayne Manor as we know him to be, his gadgets are more reflective of the bat-theme, he has a rogue's gallery of freaks, his only ally in the city is COMMISSIONER Gordon... come to think of it, forget a 'Life Beyond Nolan' batman movie where everything is more akin to the comics, I think we got ourselves a very comics-faithful Batman coming sooner than that.

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Nave should get his own talk show. He is a silver tongued fountain of awesomeness.
 
I very much like the idea of Batman's existence not being generally acknowledged. It can provide for some very interesting stories.

It does, and I agree with that. But at the same time not acknowledging his existence sort of removes him from a traditional superhero position doesn't it? I'm not saying we need anything like Spider-Man 3 key-to-the-city sort of thing, but more along the lines of what happened in The Dark Knight? Just throwing the ball around.

EDIT: Because whichever it is, that status should invariably concern the way the suit is designed.

Nave should get his own talk show. He is a silver tongued fountain of awesomeness.

:woot::woot::woot: *explodes in glee* :woot::woot::woot:

I am tempted to put this on me siggy.
 
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It does, and I agree with that. But at the same time not acknowledging his existence sort of removes him from a traditional superhero position doesn't it? I'm not saying we need anything like Spider-Man 3 key-to-the-city sort of thing, but more along the lines of what happened in The Dark Knight? Just throwing the ball around.

EDIT: Because whichever it is, that status should invariably concern the way the suit is designed.

It does remove him from the traditional superhero position, and that's a good way to keep things fresh. Batman's presence is very much apparent in TDK, so we're talking about him being even more obscure than he was in BB. Of course, the story would have to be handled differently, since BB never made a point about Batman being an urban legend.

Lots of options, man!
 
It does remove him from the traditional superhero position, and that's a good way to keep things fresh. Batman's presence is very much apparent in TDK, so we're talking about him being even more obscure than he was in BB. Of course, the story would have to be handled differently, since BB never made a point about Batman being an urban legend.

Lots of options, man!

I know! It makes all this so much meatier. I want me a shadow-esque Batman this time around, more urban legend than private detective, while still being different from Tim Burton's urban legend.
 
I was talking about the fact that even in the comics I don't like it when people think he's a creature. Superpowered, nuts? Cool. Creature? No.



Well, you sorta prove my point right now. "Anyone in a scary suit" does not equal "creature".

Look, I'm not arguing that people should fear him. I'm arguing WHY people should fear him. They should fear him because of what he does (and what he looks like to an extent, naturally), but not because they think he's a creature.
Fair enough. :yay:
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I know! It makes all this so much meatier. I want me a shadow-esque Batman this time around, more urban legend than private detective, while still being different from Tim Burton's urban legend.

Exactly! Burton's Batman was scary more for his elemental nature. What I mean by that is he would just appear and disappear without warning & without speaking. We had some of that in BB, but even then, he would interrogate, threaten, & basically do a lot more talking in general.

Keaton's Batman, especially in B89, would just show up & wipe people out. He barely said anything until the end, and when he did speak, it was just a whisper. Combine that with his suit, and it gave more of an impression of something supernatural, although they finally figure it out when he plays possum.

I also think we naturally feel more attached to Bale's Wayne, much more than we were to Keaton's, so it makes sense that when we watch him, it's essentially just Bruce in a costume, much more than "Batman." It's the catch-22 of explaining everything and showing Bruce's progression from boy to vigilante. It makes it more personal for the audience, and Batman is much more imposing the more detached and mysterious you make him, IMO
 
For either mask, straighten the ears, make the mouth opening more masculine. Bang, its a good cowl.

This is a manip I did years ago.

Ignore the black next to the ear of the manipulated cowl on the right, the computer screen I was working on was high contrast and when I moved the ear over I couldn't see that cut out piece originally.

Also, ignore the white eyes if you dislike them. It was originally intended to look as close to the comics as possible

Changes made: Eyes, ears, Mouth

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The white eyes make him look like he's having a seizure. No offense, i just hate the lenses in real life.
 
The ears are vastly superior, though. There's no disputing that.
 
I like the comics mouth opening you implemented there. Its a pity they screwed the up in both cowls.
 
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