The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Box Office Thread III

[miggizle85]

Well we can agree to disagree but one thing I will warn everyone about right now is this. The negative press for TDKR has not even begun. Trust me. Every cent that TDKR makes will be sensationalized by the media and people will be "outraged". 160 million being reported tomorrow is going to set off a s*** storm.

 

[db85usa]

Well we can agree to disagree but one thing I will warn everyone about right now is this. The negative press for TDKR has not even begun. Trust me. Every cent that TDKR makes will be sensationalized by the media and people will be "outraged". 160 million being reported tomorrow is going to set off a s*** storm.

You should really tone down that condescending attitude of yours around here and stop trying to instigate an argument with every single poster. If not, it should definitely be a nice way to earn a vacation.

 

[Liam_H]

Deadline is saying it looks to be about $161.8 million for the weekend.

 

[db85usa]

Deadline is saying it looks to be about $161.8 million for the weekend.

Yeah, an insider at WB leaked the information and rolled out $160+ million for the weekend.

 

[kvz5]

So what's the deal with the marketing for this? Complete stop? I know they pulled the tv spots since last Friday and I suppose they won't return those anymore?

 

[Liam_H]

Yeah, an insider at WB leaked the information and rolled out $160+ million for the weekend.

You have to excuse me if I don't believe you. Its just that I have a hard time buying what you're saying. No offense.

 

[db85usa]

So what's the deal with the marketing for this? Complete stop? I know they pulled the tv spots since last Friday and I suppose they won't return those anymore?

They'll slowly return but posthumously... It's really a matter of coming to an agreement with the networks and powers that be.

 

[miggizle85]

You should really tone down that condescending attitude of yours around here and stop trying to instigate an argument with every single poster. If not, it should definitely be a nice way to earn a vacation.

Clearly you don't understand what "agree to disagree" means. Also "trying to instigate an argument" is a rather objective view of things. Are people not allowed to "instigate" discussion? I thought that's what we were having. A discussion. You made some points. I made mine. In the end we didn't agree and I "agreed to disagree". Perhaps if someone choosing to have a differing view than yours is seen as "instigating an argument" then maybe there's something wrong with the way you approach these boards. Just maybe.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

WB projected $170 million so they were certainly expecting something around the $180 million mark at least.

After the media coverage of the Colorado shootings, I kinda expected a 15% decrease from walk ups alone. I knew 20 individuals myself who skipped out on watching the film this weekend.

It's a shame that TDKR is being associated and overshadowed by this tragedy, but it happened. I, myself, lost interest in talking about box office numbers.

*shrugs*

 

[miggizle85]

You should really tone down that condescending attitude of yours around here and stop trying to instigate an argument with every single poster. If not, it should definitely be a nice way to earn a vacation.

Yeah you certainly don't have a condescending attitude yourself do you.

 

[db85usa]

You have to excuse me if I don't believe you. Its just that I have a hard time buying what you're saying. No offense.

The New York Times got the official numbers from WB. Info leaked which then was spread to news networks. This information was leaked to the Times a while ago.

http://www.yidio.com/news/dark-knight-rises-box-office-numbers-released-despite-promise-not-report-6700

 

[I Am The Knight]

Link not working fella.

 

[miggizle85]

"Dark Knight Rises Box-Office Numbers Released, Despite Promise To Not Report"

It starts.

 

[Jordanstine]

Its pathetic to see people use the shooting to justify why Batman didn't break 200 mill.

It's already been debated both ways.

People blaming the shooting as why TDK Rises didn't do well, and people flipping the argument saying Heath Ledger's death was why The Dark Knight did so well.

It's just one of those things no one will ever truly know...

 

[db85usa]

Link not working fella.

I'm tired. Its fixed. I learned this info an hour before it was printed yesterday on yidio. I know some folks in the Big Apple. Here is the main source which was printed today.

But the money at stake was too big for moviedom to ignore, and studio officials with access to box-office numbers provided them to The New York Times. Those officials, in private, spent the weekend seemingly marveling at the ability of “The Dark Knight Rises” to maintain much of its momentum in the wake of the killings.

nytimes.com/2012/07/23/movies/dark-knight-leads-at-box-office-in-the-shadow-of-massacre.html?_r=1&src=twr

 

[JeetKuneDo]

If you don't think that the largest mass shooting in US history didn't take away from the box office, you are being delusional. I was uneasy seeing the movie for a second time after hearing about that, but that's just letting fear control what you do. I'm sure a good amount of people didn't go to the movies this weekend because of fear.

There are several valid reasons why TDKR was not going to match TDK at the BO. Before the shootings even happened there was:

1-No Joker. Non-Joker Batman movies make less. The public probably loves the Joker character more than the Batman character.
2-Less impressive reviews. Rotten Tomatoes is a huge website for a reason. People go there to help them decide if they want to spend $100 to take their family to a movie. Hearing, "Good...but not as good as TDK" and seeing the lower score is going to have a negative effect.
3-No Heath Ledger. Ledger was incredible in TDK. The buzz around his performance helped to build tremendous hype for opening weekend.
4-No Heath Ledger death. The other half of the hype machine that E! network so gladly ran for WB. There are more than a few people who could not resist the morbid curiosity of seeing "his last performance".

These were all working against TDKR before any shooting. That's why it didn't get near the midnight record. This was not going to set any opening weekend record.

Given all that, I believe this has helped the box office by again attracting the morbidly curious to the theaters. The media will of course play up the fear....because that's what the media does. They won't show the people who are going to see TDKR to see "That Batman movie they are talking about so much on TV". Free publicity.

They are projecting this weekend to be 35% bigger than last year. That hardly supports the idea that people are afraid to go to the theater....

In fact the entire moviegoing weekend should be up around +35% over last year

http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Seems illogical to claim people were staying home out of fear when a movie had the 3rd biggest opening of all time and attendance rose 35% from the previous year. More people went to the theaters....not less.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'm tired. Its fixed. I learned this info an hour before it was printed. I know some folks in the Big Apple.

Still not working

EDIT: Never mind.

 

[db85usa]

There are several valid reasons why TDKR was not going to match TDK at the BO. Before the shootings even happened there was:

1-No Joker. Non-Joker Batman movies make less. The public probably loves the Joker character more than the Batman character.
2-Less impressive reviews. Rotten Tomatoes is a huge website for a reason. People go there to help them decide if they want to spend $100 to take their family to a movie. Hearing, "Good...but not as good as TDK" and seeing the lower score is going to have a negative effect.
3-No Heath Ledger. Ledger was incredible in TDK. The buzz around his performance helped to build tremendous hype for opening weekend.
4-No Heath Ledger death. The other half of the hype machine that E! network so gladly ran for WB. There are more than a few people who could not resist the morbid curiosity of seeing "his last performance".

These were all working against TDKR before any shooting. That's why it didn't get near the midnight record. This was not going to set any opening weekend record.

Given all that, I believe this has helped the box office by again attracting the morbidly curious to the theaters. The media will of course play up the fear....because that's what the media does. They won't show the people who are going to see TDKR to see "That Batman movie they are talking about so much on TV". Free publicity.

They are projecting this weekend to be 35% bigger than last year. That hardly supports the idea that people are afraid to go to the theater....


http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Seems illogical to claim people were staying home out of fear when a movie had the 3rd biggest opening of all time and attendance rose 35% from the previous year. More people went to the theaters....not less.

I completely agree with this entire post especially about not having The Joker.

 

[Liam_H]

There are several valid reasons why TDKR was not going to match TDK at the BO. Before the shootings even happened there was:

1-No Joker. Non-Joker Batman movies make less. The public probably loves the Joker character more than the Batman character.
2-Less impressive reviews. Rotten Tomatoes is a huge website for a reason. People go there to help them decide if they want to spend $100 to take their family to a movie. Hearing, "Good...but not as good as TDK" and seeing the lower score is going to have a negative effect.
3-No Heath Ledger. Ledger was incredible in TDK. The buzz around his performance helped to build tremendous hype for opening weekend.
4-No Heath Ledger death. The other half of the hype machine that E! network so gladly ran for WB. There are more than a few people who could not resist the morbid curiosity of seeing "his last performance".

These were all working against TDKR before any shooting. That's why it didn't get near the midnight record. This was not going to set any opening weekend record.

Given all that, I believe this has helped the box office by again attracting the morbidly curious to the theaters. The media will of course play up the fear....because that's what the media does. They won't show the people who are going to see TDKR to see "That Batman movie they are talking about so much on TV". Free publicity.

They are projecting this weekend to be 35% bigger than last year. That hardly supports the idea that people are afraid to go to the theater....


http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/dar...records-scalpers-brinks-trucks-than-avengers/

Seems illogical to claim people were staying home out of fear when a movie had the 3rd biggest opening of all time and attendance rose 35% from the previous year. More people went to the theaters....not less.

Wait 35% bigger this weekend compared to last years meaning compared to when Captain America opened? Well obviously its gonna be bigger than last year when it was CA opening weekend and Potter dropping like a brick. That's just a very misleading statement.

Also, I disagree about them talking about this tragedy all over the news as being good. Its having a negative not positive impact. People are not gonna want to go see the movie more because of what happened, they'll be turned off by it. Completely different than the morbid curiosity of Ledgers performance.

 

[Jordanstine]

I think the actual would be about $164.2 million.

 

[croboy82]

I have a few friends on facebook that said they are waiting to see the movie on Blu-Ray (or bootleg.....) cause they lost the "fun" for the movie. So it def. would have hurt the box office.

Does it matter anymore? No. It will still make it's money back.

 

[Frodo]

Ironically , I said a couple months back that I didn't think it would make 200 mill in the US its opening weekend and alot of people on this thread didn't seem to like it. Now its made even less than I thought it would make. The ironic thing is, I thought ASM was gonna have to overcome more hurdles than TDKR , while people seem to embrace it despite its flaws while the critics were more mixed to positive. TDKR just seemed to have a few things going against it

* The lack of 3D
* The Lack of a bigger name villan like the Riddler , though they did have Catwoman
* The very depressing mood of the film, combined with the equally shocking shooting
* And the fact that the film is part 3 as opposed to something freshier like ASM and Avengers.

The opening is still good but its not what WB was hoping for. Nevertheless , they call it a success , though I strongly suspect that the reboot will be much more adventurious and family friendly and less grim. While they aren't gonna go the Schumacer route, I suspect they'll want to bring back some of the Big guns like Joker, Riddler, Penguin, etc right off the bat so to speak. It'll also be in 3D.

 

[Liam_H]

Disagree on the point of ASM being more fresh than this movie for obvious reasons.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Disagree on the point of ASM being more fresh than this movie for obvious reasons.

It was definitely a fresh take on the character
Whether better than Raimi or not is debatable

 

[atomicbattery]

USA Today-
"By midnight Thursday,The Dark Knight Rises had won the box-office weekend and entered the record books.
A few minutes past midnight, no one cared."

"'The worst imaginable thing that could have happened to Chris Nolan and Batman happened this weekend. I'm not sure how you overcome that.' said Scott Mantz, film producer and critic for Access Hollywood"

New York Times-
"(The) huge No. 1 total fell below prerelease expectations of ticket sales totaling about $190 million, an indication that some moviegoers were either not in the mood to watch a violent comic book caper or worried about theater safety after the carnage in Aurora, Colo."

Wall Street Journal-
" The hopes of Hollywood collided with the grim reality of a massacre linked to the opening of the latest Batman film, 'The Dark Knight Rises', compromising the results of what was expected to be one of the biggest opening weekends ever."


I find it incredible, and more than a little unseemly, that some here continue to argue that the tragedy had little effect on the opening weekend.