The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 139

[Travesty]

"CHANG!!!"

 

[Reek]

 

[Kane52630]

YES! that one! Thanks Kvz

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Wow, that was awesome

 

[Reek]

I guess that is proof that Nolan sometimes blacks out and forgets what work he has done.

the entire scene with 'Chang' could have been cut out lol

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Cory, you are a joker

 

[craigdbfan]

Ra's was just being overly dramatic when telling Bruce that. Wayne left him gravely injured in the hands of some random Bhutanese guy unbeknownst to him whether he would full recover or not. That's what he means when he said "left me for dead".

Plus Ra's acknowledges that Wayne saved his life during the birthday scene.

Wayne: I saved your life.

Ra's: I warned you about compassion Bruce.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

In TDK the 'fake batmen' had the will to act... but no training... they had to use guns and crap.. hence... they are not batman.

They're not, but they made an impact... even though they were amateurs. The Sons of Batman were untrained vigilantes but they still intervened during a 'deal'.

Blake could be the best cop in the force... but just because he wears the cowl does not mean he will last long just because of his will. the training is a necessity and its what separates Bruce from everyone else.

Understandable, and that's true on several levels, but my point is if one does not have that certain 'will', then no amount of training could possibly help. I believe both are necessary at the end of the day.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I took another meaning. Bruce did burn Ra's house and left him for dead. Think about it. He saved Ducard, not Ra's. That's how I've always viewed it.

 

[PWN3R]

training isn't that necessary when you blow up and kill everything in your path.

"Your training is nothing.' So why is Ra's wasting his time training people

Sorry dude, but saying the 'will' to be Batman is enough to actually be Batman is foolish IMO.

adding to that, Bruce had the will to act in the beginning of Begins... he was fighting thugs (6 of them). So was he ready to be Batman then? No. He needed training... which is the point of half the movie lol.

Too literal is too literal. That line was meant to motivate him.

When Ra'S says "your training is nothing..will is everything.."

I think what he means that will is needed, relying just on training is not going to achieve the goal.

He can use the training only if will exists, otherwise just training is useless on it's own, hence the line -"training is nothing.."

What we need is a video that has Ra's saying the line over and over on a loop for ten hours. Kane, get to work.

 

[Reek]

Ra's was just being overly dramatic when telling Bruce that. Wayne left him gravely injured in the hands of some random Bhutanese guy unbeknownst to him whether he would full recover or not.

Plus Ra's acknowledges that Wayne saved his life during the birthday scene.

Wayne: I saved your life.

Ra's: I warned you about compassion Bruce.

gravely injured? Didn't Bruce just knock him out?

 

[craigdbfan]

gravely injured? Didn't Bruce just knock him out?

He's an old guy. He breathed in fumes while he was knocked out and got some frostbite on his bum from when he almost plummeted to his death on that mountain. His limp arm probably broke from that catch too.

 

[Kane52630]

What we need is a video that has Ra's saying the line over and over on a loop for ten hours. Kane, get to work.

 

[Deserana]

gravely injured? Didn't Bruce just knock him out?

He was lying unconcious whilst Bruce blew up his house, **** was going down around him, then Bruce leaped out of the building with him whilst it was exploding and almost he almost fell off a cliff t: would you get gravely injured from that though?

Anyway back to the Blake stuff. Who said he needs the ability to fight? He may have completely different methods to take on justice than finding guys at night and pummeling them.

 

[Reek]

I took another meaning. Bruce did burn Ra's house and left him for dead. Think about it. That's how I've always viewed it.

 

[BatLobster]

Blake could get training theoretically. Bruce left Gotham because he felt trapped by his own status as a Wayne, and wanted to abandon his life at home, his money, everything.

Blake doesn't have that baggage. He could theoretically just start taking jujitsu classes and training his body. The idea wasn't that he was immediately going to suit up, just that some day, should Gotham ever need a Batman-like hero again, Blake has been appointed the guy to rise to that mantle.

And Chang FTW

 

[theLegend]

I took another meaning. Bruce did burn Ra's house and left him for dead. Think about it. He saved Ducard, not Ra's. That's how I've always viewed it.

Ra's (or who we thought he was at the time) died right in front of Bruce when a beam fell on him. Ra's was presumed dead well before the LOS facility blew up.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Yeah, and Bruce left whom he thought was Ra's for dead and burned his house.

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

I don't agree with all of it but it's still a good read:

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ttempts-to-dismantle-chris-nolans-magic-trick

A second look at 'The Dark Knight Rises' attempts to dismantle Chris Nolan's magic trick
IT MAY NOT BE EVERYONE'S BATMAN, BUT WAS IT EVER MEANT TO BE?
By Drew McWeeny

Great article. Thank you for this.

 

[Reek]

He's an old guy. He breathed in fumes while he was knocked out and got some frostbite on his bum from when he almost plummeted to his death on that mountain. His limp arm probably broke from that catch too.

Anyway back to the Blake stuff. Who said he needs the ability to fight? He may have completely different methods to take on justice than finding guys at night and pummeling them.

Batman needs the ability to fight. Unless Blakes batman uses guns. he clearly isnt going to do it as a cop considering he quit.

 

[theLegend]

Yeah, and Bruce left whom he thought was Ra's for dead and burned his house.

He was dead. He didn't leave him for dead, was he supposed to save Ra's corpse and bury it?

 

[Reek]

thats just a weird train of thought. It's like you think Ra's is Ken Watanabe and Liam Neeson.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

He was dead. He didn't leave him for dead, was he supposed to save Ra's corpse and bury it?

That doesn't matter to me. What matters is that Bruce left Ra's body and burned his house. He saved Ducard, not Ra's.

 

[Deserana]

Batman needs the ability to fight. Unless Blakes batman uses guns. he clearly isnt going to do it as a cop considering he quit.

He may not be Batman. Blake may just be a detective who works around the law to fight justice and do things a cop couldn't do. The only Batman connection could be Blake using a few gadgets and using the Batcave as his hideout.

 

[Reek]