The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 142

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That was always something that bugged me.

But, you'd think they had a list of who to "sentence" first as Stryver was up while Fox was a prisoner and maybe cops just jump to the head of the line since the cops are being hunted like dogs.
Maybe they wanted Lucius to suffer too, since he helped out Batman. It must have killed him to wait out those 22 days, hoping for Bruce to return somehow, while being physically unable to do anything about the bomb himself even though he's probably the only person who'd know how.
 
Really liked what they had to about the Talia reveal:
Through the majority of Batman Begins, we were led to believe that Liam Neeson was playing a character named Henri Ducard.
The use of that name was particularly brilliant misdirection on Nolan's part.
Ducard is a character that exists in the comics, and, just as he is in Begins, was part of Bruce's early training during the period he was travelling around the world learning to be Batman.
In the comics, the character even has a similar facial hair to the comic-book incarnation of Ra's, making him the perfect - and possibly only - comic-referencing double in the book's long history.
If they had used any other name, Bat-fans in the crowd might have guessed that Liam Neeson was Ghul hiding in plain sight.
The fact that they used Ducard ensured that the bigger the Batman fan you were, the more likely you were to be shocked by the reveal.
Sadly, Talia's identity was a little harder to keep under wraps, and even if you hadn't seen her in costume in those (deeply annoying) pap shots, if you were aware of the character's existence, you were probably one step ahead of TDKR big reveal.
But that didn't stop it from having impact. Talia's hissing hatred of Batman is made tragic by the realisation that, like Bruce, she is grieving for her dead parent.
"I could not forgive my father until you murdered him," she says, and we realise that Bruce is her very own Joe Chill.
But she has a coldness that would make Mr Freeze shiver - just as Bane left his henchman to perish on the plane, Talia orders her oldest ally to stay behind and guard Batman, so her enemy can feel the heat of the bomb blast's flames.
Bane has cared for her since she was a child. It's essentially the equivalent of Bruce leaving Alfred to die. And, ultimately, her disloyalty leads to her undoing.
 
Batman became this myth and legend, so I would not be surprised at all if any thugs still wonder if this shadowy figure is still protecting the streets at night.

Who says he became a myth and legend? He is very much real to Gotham's people. The underworld had him and his rules figured out by TDK. His nice shining heroic image was redeemed in TDKR by the Dent lie being exposed and everyone thinking Batman gave his own life to save the city. So not only do they know he was real, but he was a hero who wouldn't hurt a fly.

Shining the batsignal isn't going to do anything except remind Gotham of a hero they once had who died for them, just like that statue they erected for him in his honor.
 
This 50 best moments article is fantastic. Let the haters hate, damn it...Rises owns.
 
I still find the plane heist to be a hilariously useless plan. Looks cool, though.
 
I still find the plane heist to be a hilariously useless plan. Looks cool, though.

It's funny how the government has pictures of Pavel, and they still believe that the random dead guy is him. I may be misinterpreting the blood transfer, though.
 
Bwahahaha, that is just amazing.

When I say "No!"...you say "Survivors!"

"No!" ......

"No! ................

Poor Bane :funny:
 
This 50 best moments article is fantastic. Let the haters hate, damn it...Rises owns.

Not a bad article. A little awful that EVERY line that they quote in the film is terribly misquoted.

Them:

“It’s a nice name, you should use it… Robin.”

Actual:
"You should use your full name. I like that name... 'Robin.'"

Them:
"There are many kinds of immortality."

Actual:
"Oh there are many forms of immortality."

Them:
"What a lovely, lovely voice."

Actual:
"That's a lovely, lovely voice."

And many others.

If you're going to publish an article quoting a film... Don't misquote the film.

-R
 
Really liked what they had to about the Talia reveal:

I'm not a huge fan of how Talia was handled in the film but I think she does a nice job of not only "bringing in full circle" but even further developing the theme of Batman's "no killing" rule. It could have been developed further in the films, it would be interesting to get a little more insight into what Bruce feels about killing Ra's. He didn't do it accidentally like Dent, this was much more calculated. Batman could have easily tied up Ra's and brought him to the police. Instead he sabotaged the train and left him to die. The delivery of the "I don't have to save you" line shows he is not just in the moment, he is making a calculated decision. In TDK, the no killing rule becomes even more prominent and I always thought it had a lot to do with guilt over killing Ra's. The final Joker confrontation mirrors the climax with Ra's in BB and Bats makes the decision to save the Joker where he could have easily let him die. Having Talia come back to seek revenge on Batman for the one guy he did kill in a slight way feels like Nolan attempting to address the issue of why it's so important for Batman not to kill. Most likely, none of TDKR would have happened if Ra's had lived and been exposed.
 
It's funny how the government has pictures of Pavel, and they still believe that the random dead guy is him. I may be misinterpreting the blood transfer, though.

Do you know what happens in a plane crash, bodies are completely destroyed usually burnt beyond recognition
 
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