Alright I want to see some factual statistics. I've given up asking you for some form of proof that there was TDK 2.0 claims. You haven't got any. So lets try another one. Show me some factual proof that only a few disliked TDKR. Then you can say "Of course only a few didn't enjoy it" as though you're stating a well known fact. The general audience enjoyed Bay's Transformers, too. You're going to have to do better than using that as an excuse. Audiences enjoyed lots of flawed movies. Are you going to try and tell me that movies like Transformers doesn't have a lot of detractors, too? There's that hearsay again. More fool you. Why you would want to stand by an opinion about other people and their verbal claims that you can't back up is beyond me. Correct me where I'm wrong then. And even more have disagreed. So we win then since you're all about popularity numbers rather then facts. Oh my god, how can someone be so blind? Posters listing complaints is in reference to the ones who said they THINK his heart was not in the movie based on how flawed it was, and a step down from the previous movies. They are not saying it's a concrete fact. They are saying it as an opinion. Why oh why do you struggle to understand such a simple concept? No, you haven't. You have been saying people wanted a TDK 2.0. The only way you could know something like that is if they said so. So if they did lets see some examples. No, nobody can. Spider-Man 2 did not polarize fans and was never accused of being a half hearted attempt by Raimi. Why would I hate that? The AFI acknowledges movies like The Hangover, too. Your problem is you can't defend this movie with a competent argument so you turn around and say "Nyah nyah nyah more people agree with me than you. The AFI liked it so there". It's pathetic. Here's another example. Trying to quote more numbers. The audience rating on RT for Transformers is only 3% less than TDKR and 1% less than Batman Begins. I guess that means it's almost as good as those two since the audience enjoyed it almost as much. Then there's The Avengers which has a higher audience and critic rating than TDKR so it must be better than it right? Right? I mean that's all you believe in isn't it, Anno. Popularity numbers dictate quality. My gang is bigger than your gang schoolyard type mentality. I have no idea what you just said there. You said "Ah finally you say that is an opinion as well" as though I have been denying it to this point. Exactly. But at least they are basing their OPINIONS on the quality of his work instead of nothing at all. Flattered Kane. Though for team TDKR I suggest Batlobster. He is the most competent debater when it comes to that movie.