The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 145

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Akira at 76%? Mask of the Phantasm at 72%? The first TMNT at 55%?
Heh, one of the bad reviews for it on RT(that was released in 2010), said "it looks dated and doesn't compare with current movies".

That's my entire point. Of course it looks dated, it was exactly 20 years old of when that review was written. :funny:

Horrible Bosses.
Whoops. :hehe:
 
Batman trivia

Chapter 19: The Death of Batman

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There is plenty of dread, darkness, and death in the tales of the Dark Knight—but there is also hope for a brighter day and deliverance from the evil that haunts our hearts.

"I don't have any desire to edit a downbeat comic book," admits Batman editor Denny O'Neil. "Because, Dashiell Hammett said, 'life is full of falling beams,' and he's right, but life is also full of falling blossoms—good things happen, too. And I like to get that into the comic books that we work on."

O'Neil has fantasized about a possible end for Batman. In this dream, Batman and Talia survive an earthquake that destroys Ra's al Ghul and a super Sensei.

"And Bruce and Talia walk off into the sunset, and in my head Batman's finally come to his senses," O'Neil smiles. "He's going to settle down with this terrific woman, he's going to produce three of the most genetically perfect children on earth, and he's going to enjoy life into a fine, mellow old age, and God bless them both!"

Indeed, the old imaginary tales that Alfred wrote as hobby in the early to mid-sixties often depicted a happily retired Batman usually married to Batwoman. Robin, still a close friend, had long since taken over the family business as Batman II.

—Tales of the Dark Knight: Batman's First Fifty Years 1939-1989

Alfred's The Dark Knight Rises pre-Batman fantasy that's turned into a post-Batman fantasy:

Remember when you left Gotham, before all this, before Batman. You were gone seven years. Seven years I waited, hoping that you wouldn't come back. Every year, I took a holiday. I went to Florence. There's this café, on the banks of the Arno. Every fine evening I'd sit there and order a Fernet Branca. I had this fantasy. That I would look, I would see you there. With a wife, maybe a couple of kids. You wouldn't say anything to me, nor me to you. But we'd both know that you'd made it. That you were happy. I never wanted you to come back to Gotham. I always knew there was nothing here for you except pain and tragedy. And I wanted something more for you than that.

I still do.

Still lame though to turn Alfred's fanfic into cinematic canon. :oldrazz:
 
I didn't know that... You know, that makes me so happy. Thanks for sharing. :)

Edit: Also, whats the source?
 
Here's a weird link I only just realized. Hans Zimmer produced a Damned album and used his Damned sounds on the TDK soundtrack. Batman Forever plays a cover of the Damned's Smash it Up when Robin steals the car.
 
Batman reigns supreme(well, for the most part)

http://games.ladbrokes.com/en/news/superhero-film-survey

A UK site and a business(?) called Ladbrokes Games had a survey asking 1,000 people their favorite CBMs and everything related to comic book stuff and here is the results when it comes to Batman -

The famous Batmobile is considered by a whopping 62% of people to be the best superhero vehicle.
The Dark Knight (21%) and The Dark Knight Rises (19%) were selected by men as the best superhero films ever. Women also enjoyed The Dark Knight Rises (16%), but named Avengers Assemble (17%) as their favourite. The Dark Knight (18%) took the overall title.
There seems to be indifference to the prospect of another Batman film, however, as one in four said they wouldn’t like to see another actor take the role. If pushed, though, Ryan Gosling was the top choice.
Spiderman’s Web Shooters (38%) topped the poll for the best superhero gadget, while Batman’s Batarang (5%) was considered to be the worst.
 
Who knew Lois Lane was on Bane's side.

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You miss the point like a champion fencer.
 
Who knew Lois Lane was on Bane's side.

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Full circle! :wow: Jennifer Lawrence who plays Bale's wife in American Hustle was wearing that last year:

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And now, Amy who's playing his mistress in the same movie is wearing it too. :oldrazz:
 
So I was reading the Man of Steel set visit articles and it looks like Nolan and Goyer struggled with TDKR's third act.

While many might think Warner Bros. asked Nolan and company to help Superman get made, the truth is, it was during a writing session on The Dark Knight Rises that the idea for Man of Steel was born. Goyer told us that while struggling with the third act of The Dark Knight Rises, Nolan suggested they take a week off to clear their heads. During the hiatus, Goyer happened to read a bunch of Superman comics and came up with an idea for a Superman movie and he wrote it down. When he met up with Nolan, he asked him if he had solved the third act problem. Goyer said he didn’t, but he thought he had come up with an interesting idea for a Superman movie. Nolan asked what it was, and as soon as Goyer finished explaining his idea, Nolan said he wanted to produce it and immediately got on the phone with the heads of WB, after which Nolan and Goyer went in and formally pitched the film. Needless to say, the studio immediately said yes, and they decided to scrap what they had been working on previously for a new Superman movie and Goyer started writing the screenplay for Man of Steel.
http://collider.com/man-of-steel-set-visit/


Goyer talked a lot about Nolan and Batman too - http://collider.com/david-s-goyer-man-of-steel-interview

GOYER: Well, yeah, we were talking with them. It wasn’t like a mandate that we heard about that. Again, like I said, Chris approaches everything from the story. So, what’s right for the story? Chris said, “I can’t think of a possible reason why, for what we’re using the suit for in this movie, it would have underpants.” He said, “Can you?” I said, “No.” So that was where we started from. But it’s similar to — I had this experience when we were at DC where I said to Paul Levitz at the time, they call them scallops on Batman’s gauntlet. I pointed to a poster and I said, “What are those?” He said, “Oh they’re just design features.” Chris said, “Bulls**t.” He said, “There can’t be anything on Batman’s costume that’s a design feature.” He said, “Goyer, figure out something. ” So I said, “Okay, what if they’re metal gauntlets and he can use them both offensively and defensively to trap weapons?” Chris said, “Done.” So, but that’s sort of the way Chris approaches everything. He’ll never do anything just because it looks cool. There has to be a utility.

This part cracked me up just because the ending was so divisive for the fans:

Did you ever solve that third act problem?

GOYER: Yes. We had the best ending of all time.


TDKR question for Roven:

I’d like to ask a Dark Knight Rises question. It basically says in the trailer, “This is the epic conclusion of The Dark Knight Rises.” Talk a little bit about, for you, looking on this whole thing, and it’s a worldwide phenomenon, are you sort of sad to see it ending? Talk about the mixed feelings on that. Also, what are your thoughts on the final installment? When you first heard the story of what they were going to do, what was your initial take?

ROVEN: You know, well, first of all, I was ecstatic that Chris agreed to finish the trilogy. That was by no means a foregone conclusion. That’s what I was saying earlier. Chris just never would talk about whether or not he would do a third until he finished the second. Then, for a really long time, he wouldn’t even really talk about that because he was totally focused on wanting to finish Inception and see if he could get that made, which obviously in hindsight goes, “Gee, who wouldn’t have made that movie?” But I can assure you, it wasn’t a slam dunk when he presented that script. The budget that it was at, even to the studio that made The Dark Knight, okay, it was an ambitious project, which just think about reading that script. That mind bending script had a really, really, really significant budget, right? We all know it was nine digits, right? So, but Chris was really focused on that. He really needed to have conversations with David for them to come up with what that third story would be. So, I didn’t know. I hoped it would happen. I was actually a fan in that respect. So, when they called up and said, “Hey, we think we’ve got something. We want to come over and talk about it.” I was ecstatic. Then, when I heard it, I was even more ecstatic because I just felt that it was the right way to go out. It’s important to go out the right way, to make the last one something that people are going to remember. So, I hope it will be that way and it feels like it.
http://collider.com/charles-roven-man-of-steel-interview
 
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^ Very interesting. This is why I would love a director's commentary for TDK-Trilogy Ultimate Collector's Edition.

But it's funny because if anything, the second act is where I felt the film was at it's most problematic.
 
You'd think they would announce something for the Ultimate Collectors edition by now...
 
I remember way back, Gill said that they had some difficulty with the third act. But he also said that everything was back on track and they were happy with where they got the script.

I'm pretty sure Gill also said the Man of Steel script was a complete mess at one point and strongly hinted that Jonah came in for cleanup.
 
But it's funny because if anything, the second act is where I felt the film was at it's most problematic.

Yeah, that's hands-down the weakest act for me too. I think the only thing I liked in the 2nd act was the prison scenes. :funny: IIRC, it was also the 2nd act that was mostly criticized in the reviews.
 
You miss the point like a champion fencer.

I don't fence :awesome:

Full circle! :wow: Jennifer Lawrence who plays Bale's wife in American Hustle was wearing that last year:

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And now, Amy who's playing his mistress in the same movie is wearing it too. :oldrazz:

The ladies love 'em some Bane, lol.

So I was reading the Man of Steel set visit articles and it looks like Nolan and Goyer struggled with TDKR's third act.


http://collider.com/man-of-steel-set-visit/


Goyer talked a lot about Nolan and Batman too - http://collider.com/david-s-goyer-man-of-steel-interview



This part cracked me up just because the ending was so divisive for the fans:




TDKR question for Roven:


http://collider.com/charles-roven-man-of-steel-interview

This:

Did you ever solve that third act problem?

GOYER: Yes. We had the best ending of all time.

I thought was towards Man of Steel and not TDKR, but I could be wrong on that.

So they had writer's block on TDKR...I can understand it, a true and infinite ending is usually the hardest thing for a writer.
 
Yeah, that's hands-down the weakest act for me too. I think the only thing I liked in the 2nd act was the prison scenes. :funny: IIRC, it was also the 2nd act that was mostly criticized in the reviews.

Yeah, I expected the montage of Bane's reign to be the focus of the second act, along with Bruce's journey in the pit. The Bruce pit scenes were great, so at least they got that stuff right.
 
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