The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 147

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I just hope the new Batman can actually take out a dog.
 
I hope we get no Earth One Batman. That Batman was a spoiled brat who never left Gotham, had no detective skills or detective training, and was even more realistic/watered down than Nolan's Batman. It would be a terrible choice IMO.

Also, the new Batman should have more experience than MOS' Superman but not too much experience. He should have been Batman already for one or two years and should be just an urban myth in Gotham at this point.

Also, Nolan's Batman was by no means in his prime. He was still an inexperienced during the year he operated as Batman. Then he was an weakened and crippled in TDKR. We have yet to see Batman in his prime in the movies (world's greatest detective, best tactician, etc.).
 
Shikamaru said:
Also, Nolan's Batman was by no means in his prime. He was still an inexperienced during the year he operated as Batman. Then he was an weakened and crippled in TDKR. We have yet to see Batman in his prime in the movies (world's greatest detective, best tactician, etc.).
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I think we got something close to that in Batman '89. A good amount of detective work, equipment, etc. and indications that he was incredibly intelligent. The fight scenes were subpar, but then every Batman movie has had that issue.

But yeah, I'm ready to see a full-on Batman in his prime.

Personally, I'd love for Batman to be the guy who discovers that kryptonite is Superman's weakness. Batman always preps to face any foe. Having him be the one to discover this, instead of, say, Luthor, would showcase Batman's detective work, constant preparedness, and ingenuity. Plus it would make the initial distrust and hostility between the two heroes all the more pointed, resulting in a more cathartic and satisfying plot turn later when they put aside their differences and team up.
 
Superman will beat Batman in their first fight.
Batman will discover kryptonite from Lex Luthor.
Batman will then beat supes and say that line from TDKReturns.
They team up and beat Lex in the final fight and win.
They all live happily ever after
The End
Get this screenplay to WB now! I predict that something similar is going to happen though.
 
ThePhantasm said:
The fight scenes were subpar, but then every Batman movie has had that issue.
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I think it has some of the best fight scenes in any Batman movie. TDKR sewer fight scene comes a close second, though.
 
Interested to see what they do here now. Just wish it would link into the dark knight trilogy. JGL Batman or even Nightwing.
 
Travesty said:
I think it has some of the best fight scenes in any Batman movie. TDKR sewer fight scene comes a close second, though.
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If I remember there was a punch Hardy had thrown that didn't even hit but Bale still reacted... Other than that great fight.
 
My appreciation for Zimmer just went up. His Spider-Man score from the leaked trailer is absolutely amazing
 
Batman may have grimaced initially when the dog attacked him during his first scene in TDK; but he then proceeded to throw the dog to the side like it was nobodies business.

If people are still up in arms about the Joker unleashing the hounds on Batman; then I'm not sure what the fuss is? Lucius stated he'd be more vulnerable with the new suit. Besides, Bats just took out an entire swat team, Joker's goons, and saved the hostages. So seeing Batman in a hot spot after that to build tension was a given.
 
First time I've seen this pic... Was this at the BB DVD extras?

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Source: http://fiddlesbatch-bale.tumblr.com/post/57561291003/this-pic-is-totally-new-to-me
 
Damn, Bale looks awesome.

And I enjoy the look of the guy behind him :p
"Dat ass"
 
Hahaha.

Wonder if that's from the new featurette.
 
He looks young. That must be like a year before BB.
 
RedBlueWonder said:
My appreciation for Zimmer just went up. His Spider-Man score from the leaked trailer is absolutely amazing
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Are you sure about that?

Edit: oh, are you commenting on the music from the Comic-Con footage/trailer?
 
 
 
A Batman vs. Superman fight scene I wrote. Posting it here as it is a bit more of a Batman-sided fight, I think, probably inevitable given that I'm a bigger Batman fan than I am a Superman fan.

Background info: Robotic invaders looking for "Kal-El" have recently turned public opinion against Superman. They believe his presence is drawing these invaders, and that he is a threat. In reality, the bots are from LexCorp. Lex Luthor has discovered a downed Brainiac satillite and is using the technology to develop new advanced weapons. By staging a faux invasion, he hopes to usurp Superman's place in the public eye as earth's "protector" and bolster his secret defense program.

Batman, meanwhile, has been watching Superman for some time. He also has obtained a blood sample from the body of General Zod. He's been testing it for weaknesses, and finally he has found one - the blood reacts to irradiated kryptonite.

The showdown occurs after a robotic attack on Gotham, where Lois Lane has been interviewing young billionaire Bruce Wayne.

The denizens of Gotham's dirty streets look up in surprise as Superman descends. He's a bright contrast with the drab buildings and the misty rain. His eyes scan the buildings, searching. He touches down on the ground. He turns.

There stands Batman, his cape draped over his shoulders, hiding his armor underneath.

BATMAN: I told you to leave Gotham.

SUPERMAN: I'm staying here until I figure out what exactly is going on. Those things - - I don't think they are kryptonian.

BATMAN: Those things killed four of Gotham's citizens when they landed on the freeway looking for you. Your presence here is a threat. Your power is unwanted and unneeded. And if you won't leave, I'll make you.

Superman looks unconvinced.

SUPERMAN: My presence is a threat? What about you? Have you made Gotham a better, a safer place? Or are all those freaks you fight attracted here by your presence?

Batman doesn't answer. Perhaps he doesn't know what to say. He looks beyond Superman, to an old run down movie theatre. Beside it, a dark alleyway.

BATMAN: Darkness isn't alien to Gotham. It was born here.

He draws back his cape, removes an armored plate from his chestpiece, revealing a glowing green piece of kyrptonite embedded in his armor.

Superman staggers back. He feels different. Doesn't understand.

BATMAN: This is a piece of your home. I'm going to use it to keep you out of mine.

Superman makes a desperate charge. The fight is on. But Superman's strength is draining. Batman scores some hits. Supes bleeds.

BATMAN: That's what it feels like to be human.

Superman grabs the metal plate and covers the kryptonite, driving Batman back against the wall. Batman struggles, unable to get free. Superman's strength is returning. Batman presses a few buttons on his belt.

The BATMOBILE roars around a corner and drives straight for them, firing a grappling hook that wraps around Superman. It drags him away, down the street.

Batman recovers, follows.

Superman recovers, sets his feet in the ground. The Batmobile's tires spin. The cable snaps. The car fires a few missiles at Supes, which explode, knocking him backwards. But he rises unharmed.

Then Batman is on him, on his back, arms around his throat. The kryptonite is close. With his last bit of strength Superman takes off, flies away, Batman still on him - - then he loses control, begins spiraling down towards a rooftop. Batman is forced to let go. He uses his cape to glide to safety.

Superman impacts on the roof, falling through several floors. His strength is drained. He needs sunlight. He needs energy. He staggers out a door into an alleyway. Falls to his knees.

There, in the alley, in the rain, are two red roses.

Batman drops from above. Knocks Superman down. Has his hands on his throat.

BATMAN: You're done. Never come back to Gotham. Come back and I'll finish what we started, I swear to you. I want you to remember, Clark. I want to remember the man who beat you. I want you to remember you're not all powerful. I want you to remember - -

Suddenly Superman has his hands on Batman's throat. He lifts Batman off his body, staggers to his feet, eyes filled with defiance. Batman punches him. Supes staggers back, crushing the roses under his feet. Supes opens his mouth as if to speak, but is unable to.

Batman attacks. The result is a fist-fight down crime alley. Batman scores more hits, but Superman's hits, weakened as they are, do more damage. Both are beaten, bloody. With a flying kick, Batman knocks Superman out into the street.

Then Superman unleashes his heat vision - - focused, not full power, but enough to leave Batman's chestplate red hot. Batman staggers back down the alleyway. Retreats.

The exertion was too much. Superman falls unconscious.

Batman removes his chestplate. Has the kryptonite in his hand. He gets to the Batmobile, gets in. Quickly re-suits with a spare suit of armor. Drives the Batmobile around to where Superman fell.

Superman is gone.

Suddenly the Batmobile is being lifted into the air, far into the skies above Gotham. Batman ejects. Glides.

Superman drops the Batmobile down into the Gotham Harbor far below. Batman glides into him, Kryptonite in his fist, beating him. Superman falls, but punches through Batman's glider-cape.

SUPERMAN: I fall, you fall.

Batman doesn't respond. They are continuing to fall. Together.

SUPERMAN: I can save us both. I can save everyone. You have to trust me.

Falling. The wind is too loud for Batman to speak. Superman is weakening, losing consciousness.

Batman throws the kryptonite away. Superman flies them to safety just before impact. Lands at a dockyard. Batman is breathing heavily.

Superman looks through some buildings.

SUPERMAN: The glowing rock is about two hundred yards that way, next to a trash heap.

For the first time, Batman registers real surprise.

SUPERMAN: Maybe you're right about me. Maybe I am a threat. [beat] You're concerned about my power. Sometimes I'm completely afraid of it. Sometimes there's nothing I want more than to be - human. [he wipes the blood from his chin] My father died in front of me. I could have saved him. But I didn't. Because he didn't think I should reveal what I could do - - I because I trusted him. Trust has costs. I've never felt more human than I did in that moment.

Batman says nothing.

SUPERMAN: I'm willing to trust you. Even though I'm pretty sure you are completely crazy.

BATMAN: Just get out of Gotham.

Superman nods, disappointed. He flies away.

Batman stares after him, drenched by rain, deep in thought.
 
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