The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 147

[Green Goblin]

Right now I don't have much faith in Snyder. The third act of MOS was noisy as hell.

 

[shauner111]

Or it will probably just suck overall. Best case scenario, I don't even think it'll be on MOS' level.

1) Goyer is writing by himself again. They still haven't learned that Goyer should not be let solo on a script.
2) Scratch that. They did learn that. And who did they got to co-write with Goyer? Snyder. Meaning the script will have just as many problems as MOS or more. Snyder is a great director but he's not that good of a writer.
3) They're asking Frank Miller for input. No person should ask Frank Miller for input on a Batman/Superman story after 2000.
4) Despite MOS' flaws, you can tell Goyer and Snyder at least put heart into it and had a large amount of time to work on it. On the other hand, Batman/Superman is a premature film that's being rushed out way too early against Snyder and Goyer's wishes with not enough time given for them to work on the story. 2 years is not enough time for Goyer and Snyder to come up with something great. Not exactly the worst time for some more talented writers, but such talented writers are not involved in this. We are getting only Goyer and Snyder as the writers.
5) Not even a bit of input from Nolan himself like in MOS due to Nolan leaving the project.

The only positives?
1) Maybe Snyder asked Bruce Timm for input while working with him on that Superman short film they did.
2) Maybe Affleck will have some story input.
Both are entirely speculations and have not been confirmed, whereas everything else I listed above has been confirmed.



I still don't buy it for multiple reasons.

1) An early report was released prior to MOS' release which stated that Snyder and Goyer signed on for 3 DC projects (in this order) - MOS, MOS 2, and JL. Some people would argue that this is MOS 2 it seems like a WF film as opposed to a Superman film with Batman in it. The title even looks like it will be "Batman vs. Superman". Hardly seems like "Superman guest starring Batman" to me.

2) Snyder made a comment that alluded to WB forcing this on him. He said something among the lines of "Not what I would do personally but I have to do what WB thinks is best". I'll try to look for the video he stated that in. Someone on this site even made a whole thread about it when it was released.

3) It doesn't seem like a natural progression. MOS was more of a setup film. It only introduced Superman and the supporting characters, barely gave the supporting characters much to do, and ended with Clark only joining the DP right at the end. Superman doesn't even have an established status quo yet. There is nothing established about Metropolis or the city/world's reaction to Superman. How is him meeting Batman first thing before he even meets Lex Luthor a natural progression?

I rather see this movie than Justice League or some Superman movie that only features Lex Luthor and some villain like Metallo. I was worried about that in the first place, that they would do something generic. At least BvS is fresh and has never been done before. At the end of the day, that's all I ask, that the studio takes risk and gives us movies that haven't happened.

The 3 film deal probably just meant MOS 2 as in the sequel to Man Of Steel, which no matter what kind of movie it is, it IS the sequel to MOS. It's not a solo film but it's also not a team up movie. It's a nice compromise. It's a versus movie which even Marvel has yet to do. JLA would feel too soon and like theyre copying Avengers. While another Superman movie would not be a good idea since the origin had a mixed critical response (even more than that) and the box-office was very good but still not what WB expected. So trying again doesn't sound like a good business plan, especially with characters like Luthor who has been regurgitated over and over again.

I don't completely trust Goyer by himself or Snyder, I never will. They could **** this up bad or do it solid or make it amazing. It's unpredictable right now.

Brolin going up against Cavill would be bad. There are no "right" actors in their early 30s right now that have what it takes to go up against Cavill. Theyre either not good as actors or they don't look like Bruce. Affleck isn't the greatest actor but he's solid nowadays, especially for this role, just like Cavill is good for Superman but elsewhere he's nothing special. Affleck is older than Henry but always looks a few years younger than his actual age. I always like seeing Batman at least a few years older.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Right now I don't have much faith in Snyder. The third act of MOS was noisy as hell.

A superman movie...noisy!? Say it ain't so!!!!

 

[Green Goblin]

A superman movie...noisy!? Say it ain't so!!!!

Sure it will be noisy, but it didn't have to look and sound like Micheal Bay directed it.

 

[shauner111]

I will admit, I enjoyed the ending of MOS, the fights were awesome and yes they were overdone. I especially loved that massive punch (with the score behind it) that Superman nails Zod with, which sends him flying through the air. But it reminded me of a Michael Bay all out CG/action-fight fest of destruction. And it lasted a LONG time.

 

[BatLobster]

I knew there was a balance issue when even my most "meat head" friend (who usually slobbers over huge action sequences and wants as much of it as possible) said after we saw MoS, "It was actually too much action." First time I've ever heard him say that.

 

[shauner111]

Wow, I guess that tells it all.

 

[craigdbfan]

The MOS fights was straight up live action anime. I loved it personally.

Dream come true for me at least.

 

[HighFivingMF]

"Superman Returns was lame! What do I have to do to see him hit something!"

"Man of Steel was lame! There was too much hitting!"

 

[Anita18]

Back to Batman....my hubs was watching the Apple announcement today and they showed something from the Nolan Batfilms while demoing (He doesn't know them well enough to say which one.)

The speaker from Apple on stage then proceeded to refer to it as "The Black Knight" and there were absolute crickets in the audience.

 

[Graphix Monster]

is it ok.... to post this here?
Here is my latest creation.. and 'Mark II' in Bane Masks. I have had people say its the best they have seen. I am just wanting to display fit here on theRPF.

"Perhaps the most accurate Replica Bane Mask as of yet not recast from the Warner Bros Replica. Months of research and hunting for correct fabics, photos for reference, and tedious sculpting. Everything hand sculpted except for top ridge 'loom' pipes, they were 3d printed from a model i designed. Real fabric on top of mask as well as military fabric an back corner pieces that look like fishnet... but are not! All pipes are solid, not rubber. Screen accurate color. Thank you for the encouragement everyone! Now lets get you a mask!Here it its..."

then here is me wearing my mask

its a general discussion thread, Bane costume thread is too old.
what do you guys think?

 

[georgec]

Awesome!

 

[craigdbfan]

Back to Batman....my hubs was watching the Apple announcement today and they showed something from the Nolan Batfilms while demoing (He doesn't know them well enough to say which one.)

The speaker from Apple on stage then proceeded to refer to it as "The Black Knight" and there were absolute crickets in the audience.

Martin Lawrence did a great job as the caped crusader.

 

[JackWhite]

That Bane mask replica is awesome. It does look extremely uncomfortable though, lol. I still can't believe Hardy actually got use to wearing it.

 

[titansupes]

@ Shikamaru - I can't remember where, but it was confirmed that Snyder and WB were looking for a new Batman while MoS was still in post. So no, not a few weeks before Comic-Con.

- The Frank Miller thing was a rumour, nothing came of it.

- The comments Snyder made about 'what WB thinks is best' were thought, since day one, to be fake. No filmmaker in his position would say that, there was no video, there was no source, it remained unsubstantiated.

I agree with some of the other stuff (I'm sure WB did force this on them, but maybe as more of a compromise aka WB wanted JLA, Snyder and Goyer wanted MoS2, they settled on BvS). And it happened well before SDCC.

 

[Sharkboy]

I would definitely try and wear that bane mask as underwear if i had it.....

Just saying.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'd buy that Bane mask

 

[titansupes]

I would definitely try and wear that bane mask as underwear if i had it.....

Just saying.

I'd buy that Bane mask

Reading these two comments together... Heh.

 

[Graphix Monster]

thanks! and ya that would be some strange bulge creating underwear haha. Anyone ever seen Dune? the underwear idea reminds me of there hydration vests lol

 

[Graphix Monster]

what do you think of the mask compared to Radmaul's mask? just curious?

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Haven't seen his, but I like that the most of all of them that i've seen. You wouldn't be making / selling them, would you?

 

[Travesty]

It looks pretty authentic to me. MUCH better than those Halloween masks. Great job.

 

[Graphix Monster]

Ya i happen to be selling them, im just discussing them here, but ya if you found me on facebook, Graphix Monster you can look at progress shots etc and mssg me there if you ever had the desire for one. I posted my first mask on the bane costume thread and now i have another version hoping to trump the others.. but staying on top is always a battle so i will keep trying to refine it till im best or to stay the best

Haven't seen his, but I like that the most of all of them that i've seen. You wouldn't be making / selling them, would you?

 

[Kane52630]

Some guy on imgur posted his costume for Halloween...

http://imgur.com/gallery/O54eTJH

 

[The Joker]

^ That is AMAZING lol.