The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - Part 151

[Dansifier]

Hi Streetsaresafer,

Thanks for the honest feedbacks and great suggestions Your participation will definitely help me greatly in my research paper!

 

[C. Lee]

I created a thread in FAN ART to see if anyone is interested in making custom DVD covers http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=29727445#post29727445 artist come over and talk about it.

 

[streetsaresafer]

Hi Streetsaresafer,

Thanks for the honest feedbacks and great suggestions Your participation will definitely help me greatly in my research paper!

No problemo
Good luck with your paper

 

[Alex Logan]

LOL what the heck. Nolan isn't Hitchcock. I'm sure he doesn't want to "own" his actors. And he's only worked with Ra's like barely twice. If Neeson had wanted to ****e his ass for Arrow, ain't nothing that Nolan could've done. With that said, it would have been just stupid to use Neeson for Arrow.

Hahaha.

U mad, bro?

I doubt he cares about Neeson making an appearance on a CW show Again, Liam Neeson is free to do what he wants, and he apparently wanted to play Ra's again. Now, he might be confused about what "Arrow" is, and he maybe thought they were talking about another Batman movie where he would play Ra's again. But anway, (this may come as a shock to you), Nolan didn't invent Ra's Al Ghul. Ultimately, WB can do what they want with the characters they own, which is why MOS is the start of the DCCU, instead of it's own separate thing, which is what Nolan wanted.

I much prefer your Shauner

Yeah, but since Nolan was the one developing the thing, that wouldn't have made any sense. He has been clear that he wanted separate universes for Batman and Superman. Then all of a sudden he seemed to distance himself from MOS in a very subtle way, and then all of a sudden MOS is the start of the DCCU and a new Batman is being played by WB's new woman, Ben Affleck They will humor him as long as he plays ball with them, but a proper DCCU will make the studio way more money than Interstellar 2: The Reckoning ever will. They will follow the money.



Which is why the whole thing was stupid to begin with, but if they really wanted it to happen...



Oh please. We are all fans of Nolan. Well I am. I simply disagree with how much power he has (and would even care to have, since he is done with DC superheroes as far as we can tell) and you're pissy about that, I guess? This isn't about TDKR, so you don't need to get touchy

Read above. It's funny to me how MOS evolved into something quite different than what Nolan probably intended. WB will follow the money.

Oh Lawd...

Look, I was being a dick with the "Nolan didn't invent Batman" thing What I'm saying is, Nolan's grip on WB's superheroes is slowly loosening, and will eventually be a thing of the past, if it isn't already. WB wants to exploit their DC characters, and ultimately has every right to do so. Movies like Inception are important (and make money) but the kind of revenue that they can get from a fully stablished DCCU trumps that. You can't make too many toy variants out of Cobb, can you? That Justice League money is important. This you know, of course. That's all I'm saying.

I have query for you Mr. Knight. Do you act like this in real life too? Or just here in the safety of the internet?

 

[Green Goblin]

Just my two cents but WB probably care more about their DC Universe than making Nolan happy. Even if WB are not putting as much effort into expanding their franchises as much as other studios they will eventually... I hope...

 

[BatLobster]

Linking Nolan's movies with what they're trying to build now isn't "expanding", it's shrinking.

So, in this case I would say leaving TDKT alone is in the mutual best interest of both parties...that whole debate was unnecessary from the start.

 

[shauner111]

It's better as a stand-alone universe that isn't mixed with other superheroes & spin-offs. I almost made a deal with the devil back in 2013, when i was really entertaining the idea of Bale returning. But i realized it was just because i was on the TDKR high and wanted to see them again.

Now im good with them leaving it behind and i only entertain the idea of Bale/Nolan returning in like 15 years (if the current solo films don't take too much from Dark Knight Returns and they've had a long enough break from the franchise, by then). But that's very unlikely. Either way, the trilogy would have to remain seperate from super-powers.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I have query for you Mr. Knight. Do you act like this in real life too? Or just here in the safety of the internet?

You offended or something

 

[Alex Logan]

Linking Nolan's movies with what they're trying to build now isn't "expanding", it's shrinking.

So, in this case I would say leaving TDKT alone is in the mutual best interest of both parties...that whole debate was unnecessary from the start.

It's better as a stand-alone universe that isn't mixed with other superheroes & spin-offs. I almost made a deal with the devil back in 2013, when i was really entertaining the idea of Bale returning. But i realized it was just because i was on the TDKR high and wanted to see them again.

Now im good with them leaving it behind and i only entertain the idea of Bale/Nolan returning in like 15 years (if the current solo films don't take too much from Dark Knight Returns and they've had a long enough break from the franchise, by then). But that's very unlikely. Either way, the trilogy would have to remain seperate from super-powers.

Exactly.

 

[Alex Logan]

You offended or something

No, it takes quite a lot to offend me. You once told me that you had been in a few real fights, which is starting to make sense now.

 

[I Am The Knight]

No, it takes quite a lot to offend me. You once told me that you had been in a few real fights, which is starting to make sense now.

I did?

 

[shauner111]

You know..

We're all aware that Nolan was stubborn with referencing Joker after Heath's passing. I think time heals wounds. I dont think Chris and Christian will ever come back but it's fun to entertain the idea. Just like that interview from last year when the interviewer mentioned "Oh maybe you can come back in 20 years and do Dark Knight Returns!" to which Bale responded with a "That would be great wouldn't it".

But there's a way to bring Joker back through a different actor, and a damn good one at that (Joaquin Phoenix anybody?). All they would have to do is say Joker gets routine haircuts in Arkham and got plastic surgery on his face to fix those scars. Which would clear the actor so he doesn't have to do an imitation of Ledger's tongue flipping/mannerisms.

There's ways to do it but of course Nolan will probably never be up for it. We also know that he'll never bring Batman back into Gotham unless it was a Joker threat. He certainly wouldn't do it because of some Riddler or Penguin idea. Which in some ways is a damn shame because if Ledger lived, it would always be some kind of possibility wouldn't it?

 

[BlueLightning]

Hmm. I consider if there was a threat as bigger as even the Penguin or the Riddler , Batman would return. Heck, that's the very reason he returned in Rises, because of the rise of a super villain. They are super villains for a reason after all.

 

[The Shape]

But there's a way to bring Joker back through a different actor, and a damn good one at that (Joaquin Phoenix anybody?). All they would have to do is say Joker gets routine haircuts in Arkham and got plastic surgery on his face to fix those scars. Which would clear the actor so he doesn't have to do an imitation of Ledger's tongue flipping/mannerisms.

 

[BatLobster]

As much as I'd probably sh** my pants if in 15-20 years, they announced that Nolan and Bale were returning...I really think the trilogy ought to be left alone. TDKR gave us a fantastic ending to that story...it's just hard to see the creative merit of undoing that ending to add a different ending on top of that. Recasting a legendary role to boot would just be playing with fire.

I think ultimately a lot of it comes down how the next iteration(s) of Batman does. If the franchise is thriving a couple of decades from now, it's hard to see why they'd interrupt whatever they have going on to do a tacked-on movie in the Nolanverse. If the DCU ends up crashing and burning and the franchise is dwindling once again, I suppose I could see WB (in their desperation ) turning to Nolan again. And you never know, given the right circumstances I could even see the Nolan brothers entertaining the idea.

It's still just hard to see what the point would be creatively, but time does have a funny effect so I guess you never really know what ideas could come forth from years spent thinking about the character as the world changes.

Personally I think there's a better chance of Jonathan Nolan some day writing/directing a Batman movie in a brand new Bat-universe of his own than Chris ever stepping behind the camera for another one. In fact I'd probably be more keen to see that anyway.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah... I don't think Chris will ever entertain even the notion of a Batman film again. He got out just before his interest waned completely.

Jonathan Nolan would be a interesting alternative, but I still think the whole Nolan/Bale stuff should be left alone. It would be a lot of fun to see Bale in his late 50's returning to Batman, but not without Nolan.

 

[georgec]

TDKR already did its own version of TDKReturns. Plus, Nolan gave Bruce a definitive "happy" ending, and I'm not sure what else there would be to explore thematically for the character (given that was the backbone of TDKT).

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Bale and Nolan team up again for another Bat film, but I don't think there's any chance of it happening.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah...also, the only reason I even mentioned Jonathan Nolan is because he did say in a recent Larry King interview that he'd be interested in revisiting the character in a later part of his life. So that's basically the one tiny opening we have at the moment to entertain any of this sort of speculation. But even then, I doubt that Jonah meant the Bale version specifically.

 

[Green Goblin]

When you reboot a franchise you shouldn't bring back a director. Unless BvS or the solo Batman films aren't liked they wont (WB) bring back Nolan.

It's happened before. FOX did it with Singer after X3 and Origins... Even though he didn't end up directing FC though he was very much involved.

 

[Green Goblin]

Also they've got Affleck now which is what I'm most excited for in a movie I am increasingly less interested in.

An old, angry, weary Batman to kick start the expanded universe? Even FOX and Sony's attempts at expanding their franchises seem more promising personally and they don't even own 1/5 of characters that WB own.

That said my mind could change (and I hope it does) in 2016.

 

[shauner111]

Sony is more promising? Sony is a joke and they have no idea what they're doing. Too many chefs in the kitchen messing with the formula, and now even Garfield is dissing them. Their spin-offs are just a desperate attempt to compete with Marvel with movies that will most likely bomb big time. Nobody wants to see a Black Cat movie or a team of whacky villains, other than a certain percentage of the Spider-Man fanbase. The franchise will be forced to reboot in the next few years mark my words.

An older Batfleck is not kick starting the universe. A young Superman is. And 4 films with the new Batman is enough, plus spin-offs. DC/WB have a more promising plan than Sony or Fox.

As for Nolan/Bale...

Yeah i agree with a lot of you guys that Rises was Nolan's take on Returns. And whatever else he didn't use from that classic, will be used in Batman v Superman and probably a solo Batfleck film (older Joker). They also gave us a perfect ending too.

But like Batlobster says, things change. A decade passes or more, and you got 4 more films being released by Christopher Nolan, not including Interstellar. Something like that, within the next 10 years. I do think the best thing to do would have been a Jonathan Nolan script for a Catwoman prequel or Nightwing/Batman movie. Especially a JGL film which could be directed by someone outside of Nolan (Levitt himself? Rian Johnson after Star Wars?). Unfortunately they'll probably do a real Nightwing/Grayson spin-off instead. A film like that could be done in 10 years if they wanted. Bale could do a few scenes with Hathaway and Oldman can be a big character.

At this point that's the only logical thing that comes to mind. The Joker isn't returning, no matter how you spice it up with a recast. And Nolan won't direct unless Snyder's universe starts bombing. But remember folks, Bale will be always be ready to return to the cowl if Nolan gives him the greenlight. Chris needs to do a bunch of other films, especially original ideas, but maybe once that's out of his system, anything is possible.

 

[shauner111]

To expand on that, the questions Nolan would ask..."Where is Bruce Wayne in his life 10, 12 years after the events of Rises?". There's a lot more options though. Is he with Selina? Do they have children? How is Gotham 10 years after the fact? Is it safe or getting worse again? What about Jim Gordon? Is he Commish? Are Lucius/Alfred alive, dead or retired? What's the status of Wayne Enterprises? Is John Blake representing the symbol of Batman and if so, how is he doing it? Is Batman now an urban legend?

There's tons of good questions. And the possible answers may or may not intrigue the Nolan brothers down the road.

 

[BatLobster]

Just purely as a thought experiment...I think another big question would be, "How can I approach this material differently now than I did in the past?"

I'm talking genres...with the trilogy we got: the hero's journey quest/crime saga-thriller/historical epic-disaster...

So what genre spin would they be able to put on it? The way I see it, full-on sci-fi, Batman Beyond of sorts would probably be the way to go. But that's assuming we don't get something like that in the intervening years, which is anybody's guess at this point.

Also, I'd love to think Michael Caine will still be around in 20 years, but...yeah...

 

[shauner111]

Absolutely. Good one, because he always shifted genres with each Batman movie. I guess horror/crime or crime mixed with sci-fi (like a toned down Bladerunner, or Looper) would be the right way to go.

Michael Caine, that classic man. Who knows if he or Freeman will be alive by then, but i really doubt they'll be acting. Saying they're gone, or Lucius retired and Alfred passed away. Something easy like that could be written in.

I think Blake was in his mid 20s in Rises, which is like 5 years younger than Joe's true age. Of course he always looks about 5 years younger so it worked. A 40-42 year old JGL playing a mid-30s Blake would be perfect.

I have to confess to the Batman Beyond lovers. I don't really care for seeing Terry McGinnis in live-action as this teenager, pain in the ass who takes the cowl, with a Peter Parker vibe to him. While Bruce is like 80 and miserable with a cane. We got the miserable Bruce with a cane didn't we? Nor do i care for seeing the original villains that came from the animated show. I just love the concept of Beyond. That's why i wanted Blake to be the successor, with Bale in his 50s or 60s. Not as futuristic as the show but hints of it, like i said 'Toned Down Bladerunner or Looper'.

 

[Tequilla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?[YT]2CzHFhZFk3g[/YT]

Japanese Batman t:

Wayne Manor is a little less glamour than you might expect.