The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - Part 152

[Infinity9999x]

Does that include "won't kill you/don't have to save you" moment?

One could argue that it's very true to the Frank Miller interpretation of Batman.

 

[Decepticonus]

One could argue that it's very true to the Frank Miller interpretation of Batman.

Explain

 

[Pantera]

This was when Bale and Nolan did the Batvoice right. I seriously don't know what they were thinking after BB? And I love the way the cowl looks there, too.

Yap. Everything about this just feels right. The scene, the voice, even the suit. The wider neck makes him look mor menacing.

Having said that, out of the three, TDKR gave me the best experience while watching it in the theater. Not that´s better or worse than the others, it just felt more powerful and epic.

 

[Two-Face]

When Batman says "No...not yet" in TDKR i think he's fine there.

 

[JackWhite]

When Batman says "No...not yet" in TDKR i think he's fine there.

The voice sounds great in that scene too. It sounds 100% Bale, without any post-processing on the voice.

His voice in the tunnels leading up to the Bane fight was awesome too.

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Love that scene.

 

[Brother Jack]

There isn't any (obvious) post-processing on the voice in Rises so I think it was better executed there than in Knight.

 

[Travesty]

The voice sucked.

 

[BatLobster]

The vocals was just too metal for some to handle. The cleans were better in BB, but the death growls in the sequel were so brutal.

 

[titansupes]

Outside of the BB video game, the Rises voice is my favourite.

 

[JackWhite]

Outside of the BB video game, the Rises voice is my favourite.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The voice was out of control in the City Hall scene though.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I thought that whole ''permission to die'' callback was completely bad-ass... but, sadly, in that moment Bale looks off in the cowl (or they lit it at an unflattering angle) and his voice was definitely an issue.

 

[BatLobster]

There's a link I really want to post, but can't due to profanity.

If there are any metalheads in this thread, Youtube search "Bat metal" and watch the animated video that comes up.

 

[JackWhite]

There's a link I really want to post, but can't due to profanity.

If there are any metalheads in this thread, Youtube search "Bat metal" and watch the animated video that comes up.

I know which one you are talking about, lol. Definitely worth a watch.

The tone of the voice is actually fine during the city hall fight, it's just the dialogue Bale has, it's awful and repetitive. "You'd never give it to an ordinary citizen" that's such a clunky piece of dialogue to spout out in the voice, lol.

Had Batman yelled out where is the trigger once, then patted Bane down for the detonator then calmly said "I'm not going to ask you again" then punched him a few more times, I think would have been sufficient.

But yeah, the permission to die callback was bad-ass indeed. That saves the scene for me.

 

[BatLobster]

Eh, to me him shouting "WHEREZ THE TRIGGER" over and over again gets a pass due to the sheer severity of the stakes there. Gotham is literally minutes away from being a mushroom cloud. "I'm not going to ask you again" sounds like something a mother would say to a misbehaving child .

I know which one you are talking about, lol. Definitely worth a watch.

FEEL. MY. FIST. ON. YOUR. FACE. \m/ \m/

 

[JackWhite]

Eh, to me him shouting "WHEREZ THE TRIGGER" over and over again gets a pass due to the sheer severity of the stakes there. Gotham is literally minutes away from being a mushroom cloud. "I'm not going to ask you again" sounds like something a mother would say to a misbehaving child .



FEEL. MY. FIST. ON. YOUR. FACE. \m/ \m/

LOL! This is exactly why I'm not a screenwriter.

But yeah, I just feel it's clunky as hell. I'm just glad that when Talia stabs him he's so shocked by her betrayal that he drops the voice completely. I think that worked extremely well, given the situation Bruce is in.

And yeah, I'm gonna go watch that Batman metal video again, Batlobster.

 

[Brother Jack]

But yeah, I just feel it's clunky as hell. I'm just glad that when Talia stabs him he's so shocked by her betrayal that he drops the voice completely. I think that worked extremely well, given the situation Bruce is in.

It's the only time in the trilogy that he drops the persona while in the cowl. Such a human moment and perfectly played by Bale.

 

[The Joker]

He does the same thing with Two Face at the end of TDK, when Dent says "Why was it me who was the only one who lost everything?" and Batman responds really quietly "It wasn't". He was speaking as Bruce there, because he lost Rachel, too.

 

[Brother Jack]

He does the same thing with Two Face at the end of TDK, when Dent says "Why was it me who was the only one who lost everything?" and Batman responds really quietly "It wasn't". He was speaking as Bruce there, because he lost Rachel, too.

That was definitely Bruce speaking through Batman but it wasn't as transparent as it was with Talia. He still had the growl there, the distant aura. Some of it is due to story context given that Two-Face didn't know or seem to care who Batman was while Talia knew on an intimate level.

 

[AnneFan]

Eh, to me him shouting "WHEREZ THE TRIGGER" over and over again gets a pass due to the sheer severity of the stakes there. Gotham is literally minutes away from being a mushroom cloud. "I'm not going to ask you again" sounds like something a mother would say to a misbehaving child .

Yeah I agree. I have always loved that moment for how unrestrained Batman is. Bale's Batman was always on the animalistic side, on the verge of losing control.

 

[shauner111]

I watched the "Light it up" scene last night, which leads to him saving Blake. And i just love his voice there.

I also rewatched The Dark Knight Returns, full two-parter. And im starting to love Peter Weller's voice for this character much more than Conroy. He's currently my favorite Bat voice.

That was definitely Bruce speaking through Batman but it wasn't as transparent as it was with Talia. He still had the growl there, the distant aura. Some of it is due to story context given that Two-Face didn't know or seem to care who Batman was while Talia knew on an intimate level.

I agree, he was still in Batman mode in the Two-Face scene.

 

[The Joker]

That was definitely Bruce speaking through Batman but it wasn't as transparent as it was with Talia. He still had the growl there, the distant aura. Some of it is due to story context given that Two-Face didn't know or seem to care who Batman was while Talia knew on an intimate level.

He'd just been stabbed in his side in the Talia scene. I imagine it was harder to put on the voice there

I honestly never heard the growl in his voice when he said that line to Dent. It sound like a quiet sad whisper. Because he said it so quietly, and in the whole dramatic heat of the tense situation they were in, nobody picked up on the change in his voice because Dent was on a psychotic rant while threatening a child.

 

[shauner111]

It wasn't a growl but it was a bat-whisper. Something Keaton would do.

I noticed (and correct me if my memory is failing me) that Batman has moments where he softens his voice when he's speaking to Two-Face/Harvey Dent. Just little moments where he sees the humanity left in him and changes his voice. He did the same with Rachel in Begins, and Selina once the conversation would get more personal. He's in Batman mode when Bats and Cats are on their way to get the batpod because his mind is on the mission. He's in character even though they both know each others identity. But when she gets a little soft towards the end of the scene, so does he with his delivery.

Anytime he's with Joker or Bane, it's full-on GROWL. He's pissed, he's about to lose control.

That scene with Fox in TDK, he's in Batman mode, ready for a mission. Which makes Bale's version interesting. The voice is not just a disguise...it's tied to the creature. Transformation. But Batman isn't full-on creature all the way, he still has that humanity and that's why you hear the voice change when the moment calls for it. Bale once said "He becomes this raging beast but he still has the voice of his father always in his ear to reel him in". So i guess that's how Bale saw it when he was playing the character.

It's not the single greatest interpretation. Keaton did it better at times, so did Conroy and like i said earlier, so did Weller. But they're voice actors who were cast because they have naturally deep, commanding voices. They sound the same as Bruce and Batman. Don't think that would work in live-action. Especially because Affleck etc don't have deep voices so they have to lower theirs in the cowl.

 

[JackWhite]

As much as I liked Keaton's take growing up, he never sounded different inside the suit. Honestly, with Bale, it was like it was a different actor in the suit. Besides the Talia reveal scene and when he's in the cave with Rachel, there isn't very much bleed through of Bruce Wayne when he is suited up.

 

[Pantera]

I thought that whole ''permission to die'' callback was completely bad-ass... but, sadly, in that moment Bale looks off in the cowl (or they lit it at an unflattering angle) and his voice was definitely an issue.

That cowl isn´t great. Huge issue for me. The Begins cowl is amazing though.

But the movie is 5 stars.