The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[The Batman]

I've learned not to take actors too seriously when they're trying to sell the film they've done. Jesse Eisenberg's comments on Luthor sound just as hyperbolic.

 

[JackWhite]

What has Eisenberg said?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I bet that ruffled a few fanboy feathers

I am more interested in them, in true fanboy fashion, defending it. Especially from those who continually hate on the TDK trilogy.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Jeez, Chris is getting blasted in the comments section. The poor guy just took a hit on his reputation.

 

[The Batman]

What has Eisenberg said?

He talks as if BvS Lex is the first Lex in anything, ever, to have a psychologically believable personality. Now,whether or not he's only saying that in comparison to film Lex, I don't know.

It's kind of like McNairy here, basically pretending that the Dark Knight Trilogy doesn't exist when talking about realistic, grounded CBM's.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

What is McNairy?

 

[The Joker]

Jeez, Chris is getting blasted in the comments section. The poor guy just took a hit on his reputation.

Chris Begley who wrote the article?

He talks as if BvS Lex is the first Lex in anything, ever, to have a psychologically believable personality. Now,whether or not he's only saying that in comparison to film Lex, I don't know.

Sounds like he's having a dig at the previous Lex Luthors in the movies to me. I mean how else do you take a comment like that. The first time Lex in the movies is believable psychologically.

It's kind of like McNairy here, basically pretending that the Dark Knight Trilogy doesn't exist when talking about realistic, grounded CBM's.

Well his quote says it's more grounded than any of the other ones. Which to me means exactly what it says. He's saying it's more grounded than Nolan's, or any other CBM.

Whether he's talking crap or not is another story. But it seems likely given the type of characters in this movie. A flying alien, an Amazon princess, and an underwater ruler.

 

[I Am The Knight]

http://batman-news.com/2015/10/20/b...er-nolans-trilogy-according-to-scoot-mcnairy/

Apparently a movie that has Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Superman in it is going to be very, very grounded, more so than Nolan's Batman movies. Well this should be really interesting. I bet that ruffled a few fanboy feathers.

I think he means the current crop of superhero movies, maybe? It's the only way those comments make any sense. But even then, well...

 

[The Batman]

Sounds like he's having a dig at the previous Lex Luthors in the movies to me. I mean how else do you take a comment like that. The first time Lex in the movies is believable psychologically.

I thought he was just talking about film lex at first, until I read an article where he mentioned reading the comics:

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-eisenberg-luthor-real-person/

I don't know what comics he read, but there are definitely versions of Comic Book Lex that're psychologically believable.

Well his quote says it's more grounded than any of the other ones. Which to me means exactly what it says. He's saying it's more grounded than Nolan's, or any other CBM.

Whether he's talking crap or not is another story. But it seems likely given the type of characters in this movie. A flying alien, an Amazon princess, and an underwater ruler.

Yeah, I think he's just talking nonsense in order to sell the movie.

 

[BatLobster]

Yup, just the usual PR hype.. Gotta take it all with a big grain of salt. I mean, just look at the trailer. That alone tells you everything you need to know about how "grounded in reality" it is.

I think it's just part of the WB/DC MO right now to counter-program with what Marvel's doing. Which basically means continuing the general serious feel of the Nolan films. But at the same time, it's not as strong of a sell to say "We're pretty grounded...not as grounded as Nolan, but definitely more grounded than Marvel." lol

 

[Spider-Aziz]

http://batman-news.com/2015/10/20/b...er-nolans-trilogy-according-to-scoot-mcnairy/

Apparently a movie that has Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Superman in it is going to be very, very grounded, more so than Nolan's Batman movies. Well this should be really interesting. I bet that ruffled a few fanboy feathers.

I've learned not to take actors too seriously when they're trying to sell the film they've done. Jesse Eisenberg's comments on Luthor sound just as hyperbolic.

I learned the same lesson.

 

[The Joker]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news...dgers-joker-for-the-role.html#~prYucDnstmfxr6

He's the Joker that keeps on giving. I think actors are going to be continually inspired by Heath's Joker for decades to come.

 

[shauner111]

I dont think he meant of all-time. Im sure it's more grounded than Marvels films. He may be talking about the reaction from citizens in the story, how they handle war, politics, etc. Maybe they go deeper and more realistic with that stuff than Nolan's trilogy. It's possible. But visually, or if you're just going by where the superheroes come from and what they can do? Yeah, all you have to do is watch the trailer and you have shots that look like you're watching a great video game. But a video game nonetheless. There's more fantasy than Nolans that's for damn sure.

Suicide Squad looks much more grounded than Batman v Superman, and it's still not as grounded as Nolans because you have Enchantress.

So i dont want to take the stand of "This actor is an idiot" or "he's just kissing Snyders ass". Maybe that's true lol. But i think he's only comparing it to the current Marvel, DC and Fox universes, as well as thinking about how Chris Terrio's handling some of the story.

 

[BatLobster]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news...dgers-joker-for-the-role.html#~prYucDnstmfxr6

He's the Joker that keeps on giving. I think actors are going to be continually inspired by Heath's Joker for decades to come.

That's cool.

So i dont want to take the stand of "This actor is an idiot" or "he's just kissing Snyders ass". Maybe that's true lol. But i think he's only comparing it to the current Marvel, DC and Fox universes, as well as thinking about how Chris Terrio's handling some of the story.

I think what is slightly annoying about the quote is he seems to be willfully ignoring the existence of the Nolan trilogy, when this DC Universe wouldn't even exist as it does today without it.

 

[The Shape]

I dont think he meant of all-time. Im sure it's more grounded than Marvels films. He may be talking about the reaction from citizens in the story, how they handle war, politics, etc. Maybe they go deeper and more realistic with that stuff than Nolan's trilogy. It's possible. But visually, or if you're just going by where the superheroes come from and what they can do? Yeah, all you have to do is watch the trailer and you have shots that look like you're watching a great video game. But a video game nonetheless. There's more fantasy than Nolans that's for damn sure.

Suicide Squad looks much more grounded than Batman v Superman, and it's still not as grounded as Nolans because you have Enchantress.

So i dont want to take the stand of "This actor is an idiot" or "he's just kissing Snyders ass". Maybe that's true lol. But i think he's only comparing it to the current Marvel, DC and Fox universes, as well as thinking about how Chris Terrio's handling some of the story.

That's what I assumed, as well, that's he likely referring the to real-world implications of what it means to have these super-powered and/or extraordinary individuals in our society, which is something that seems to be addressed in BvS and hasn't really been addressed in the MCU until now with Civil War. Beyond that, it's not impossible for a film to have fantastical elements that are treated in somewhat of a grounded and believable way.

I didn't take it as a slight against what's come before with the Nolan trilogy and what not, but of course, I'm not shocked that some fans would want to make a point of contention out of the clearly hyperbolic words of an actor with a seemingly minor role in the film.

 

[BatLobster]

I do think BvS is cashing in more on the "how will the world react?" aspect that Man of Steel hinted at. So I get that. I wouldn't exactly say that's synonymous with grounded though.

I mean, for instance we Superman at a Senate hearing being held accountable for his actions by the government. We saw pretty the same exact thing in Iron Man 2 with Tony, with them demanding he hand over the suit. The key difference is the seriousness in tone. That's really what it comes down to.

Watching the trailer, I might actually believe that this movie is going to try and be even MORE serious than what's come before. But that's not the same as grounded.

 

[The Shape]

I do think BvS is cashing in more on the "how will the world react?" aspect that Man of Steel hinted at. So I get that. I wouldn't exactly say that's synonymous with grounded though.

I mean, for instance we Superman at a Senate hearing being held accountable for his actions by the government. We saw pretty the same exact thing in Iron Man 2 with Tony, with them demanding he hand over the suit. The key difference is the seriousness in tone. That's really what it comes down to.

Watching the trailer, I might actually believe that this movie is going to try and be even MORE serious than what's come before. But that's not the same as grounded.

It's not just about "seriousness", although that definitely affects the presentation of things and the presentation of ideas can often go a long way to making things appear to be more grounded and less silly. For instance, the senate hearing in IM2 was essentially presented as a borderline-slapstick comedy scene with some absurd elements. The senate hearing in BvS will clearly be more serious, but beyond that, the whole idea of having Superman stand "trial" for the devastation that occurred could be presented in a manner that comes off as more reality-based, along with the various reactions and discussions from the government, citizens, and other characters in the film. The voiceovers in the first teaser were great in that they really did sound like the kind of conversations people would be having about a being like Superman.

Either way, we're not going to get anywhere by discussing a quote from a guy who likely chose the wrong words to convey his feelings on the film. Even if he meant what he said, it's obviously an exaggeration.

 

[The Joker]

I think what is slightly annoying about the quote is he seems to be willfully ignoring the existence of the Nolan trilogy, when this DC Universe wouldn't even exist as it does today without it.

Yes, something we know Snyder would never condone. He's got his head up Nolan's butt more than even the most hardcore fanboys, and has outright said BvsS and the whole DCU is thanks to Nolan.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That's what I assumed, as well, that's he likely referring the to real-world implications of what it means to have these super-powered and/or extraordinary individuals in our society, which is something that seems to be addressed in BvS and hasn't really been addressed in the MCU until now with Civil War. Beyond that, it's not impossible for a film to have fantastical elements that are treated in somewhat of a grounded and believable way.

I didn't take it as a slight against what's come before with the Nolan trilogy and what not, but of course, I'm not shocked that some fans would want to make a point of contention out of the clearly hyperbolic words of an actor with a seemingly minor role in the film.

Mmmhmm.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I didn't have a problem with Iron Man 2 playing the senate scene as "slapstick comedy". It didn't interfere from the point of the scene. In fact, it made sense given Tony's character. But notice that everyone else was serious. It was only Tony making light of the situation because that's who he is.

I am sure the corresponding scene in BvS will be more serious than brain surgey though. Everybody will compete over who can strain the most serious face.

I think I laughed more at Schindler's List than at MOS.

 

[The Shape]

I didn't have a problem with Iron Man 2 playing the senate scene as "slapstick comedy". It didn't interfere from the point of the scene. In fact, it made sense given Tony's character. But notice that everyone else was serious. It was only Tony making light of the situation because that's who he is.

There isn't a problem with the Iron Man 2 scene, especially because the point of it wasn't really to present or mimic a real-world scenario of a senate hearing about the Iron Man armor. It's not a scene with serious implications that was meant to hold weight. I like the IM2 scene myself (especially the digs at Justin Hammer), but in regard to BvS, I'd much rather the corresponding scenario be presented in a more serious (and yes, realistic) way -- especially because it heavily relates to the core theme of the film.

I am sure the corresponding scene in BvS will be more serious than brain surgey though. Everybody will compete over who can strain the most serious face.

I think I laughed more at Schindler's List than at MOS.

Yeah, totally. No jokes from DC, man.

 

[shauner111]

I didn't have a problem with Iron Man 2 playing the senate scene as "slapstick comedy". It didn't interfere from the point of the scene. In fact, it made sense given Tony's character. But notice that everyone else was serious. It was only Tony making light of the situation because that's who he is.

I am sure the corresponding scene in BvS will be more serious than brain surgey though. Everybody will compete over who can strain the most serious face.

I think I laughed more at Schindler's List than at MOS.

I have to admit, Man of Steel felt like they were forcing "serious" all the time. You can see it with Amy Adams, Henry Cavill, Diane Lane. And when they did tell jokes, they really fell flat. So i hope Batman v Superman has better humor and the actors feel more at ease with the script and universe. If they can nail that, then it will feel much more grounded emotionally, and a lot more realistic than Man of Steel. But i still get those vibes from Adams and Cavill with their facial expressions in the latest trailer. It's like they're just trying REALLY hard to make the fans believe that this is all real life. Maybe it will come together in the final film. But as of now im not sure what it is. Is it Zack's directing? Is it because some of these actors aren't completely buying the material like say...some other actors in other comic book movies do? Or am i crazy? I seriously doubt im alone on this. Even Affleck in a couple of shots in the trailer (not every shot mind you, some are great). Too much of the "IM REAAAAALLY ANGRY DONT YOU SEE?....THAT IM ANGRY!? BELIEVE ME, IM ANGRY! ILL SHOW YOU!"

 

[BatLobster]

Even Affleck in a couple of shots in the trailer (not every shot mind you, some are great). Too much of the "IM REAAAAALLY ANGRY DONT YOU SEE?....THAT IM ANGRY!? BELIEVE ME, IM ANGRY! ILL SHOW YOU!"

Haha, yup. I was afraid to even mention it on the BvS boards cause I know I'd get crucified, but Affleck's "anger" face is kind of unintentionally funny in what we've seen so far. As an actor, Bale is able to convey so much more with just a look, whereas it seems like more of a struggle for Affleck.

The shots of him looking up from the newspaper, comforting the girls...I see nothing but Ben Affleck trying to look angry/disturbed there, but conveying a whole lot of nothing. His line delivery of the "20 years in Gotham.." is good though, so it gives me hope for the performance. But as far as being able to tell a whole story with a look, he is not in Bale's class- or Keaton's either, plain and simple.

 

[The Chris]

Haha, yup. I was afraid to even mention it on the BvS boards cause I know I'd get crucified, but Affleck's "anger" face is kind of unintentionally funny in what we've seen so far. As an actor, Bale is able to convey so much more with just a look, whereas it seems like more of a struggle for Affleck.

The shots of him looking up from the newspaper, comforting the girls...I see nothing but Ben Affleck trying to look angry/disturbed there, but conveying a whole lot of nothing. His line delivery of the "20 years in Gotham.." is good though, so it gives me hope for the performance. But as far as being able to tell a whole story with a look, he is not in Bale's class- or Keaton's either, plain and simple.

Wow, I thought I was nuts when I almost laughed at that newspaper bit. I didn't mean to either it just happened. I agree with you on the look thing too. The image of Bale in bed looking at the TV in Rises as Gotham is being destroyed and held hostage is one of my favorite Bruce Wayne moments in any Batman movie.

 

[JackWhite]

Bale had a lot of subtle inflections in his face when he conveyed anger or rage. Most notably in the "Will to Act" scene from BB.