The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[Tacit Ronin]

I agree with BB, TDK and Inception being the best films of their respective years. Whereas I thought Interstellar was rather dull in many places.

2005: Brokeback Mountain, The New World

2008: In Bruges

2010: Black Swan, The Social Network

Interstellar was the best film of 2014.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Batman Begins has proved to be one of the most influential films of the past decade.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

2005: Brokeback Mountain, The New World

2008: In Bruges

2010: Black Swan, The Social Network

Interstellar was the best film of 2014.

IMDB rating.

 

[Shikamaru]

Batman Begins is more influential in hindsight than it seemed to be when it came out. Back then it didn't seem to do anything past reviving the Batman franchise, now we know it paved the way for practically everything that followed.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Dark Knight is also name dropped by filmmakers all the time now. Sam Mendes said he was directly influenced by it in making Skyfall. And Christopher Mcquarrie name dropped Ledger as the villain to aspire to when crafting one.

 

[shauner111]

2005: Brokeback Mountain, The New World

2008: In Bruges

2010: Black Swan, The Social Network

Interstellar was the best film of 2014.

Birdman was my favorite from last year, followed by Interstellar.

 

[Matt.S99]

BB is a film that will be talked about decades from now. As is TDK.

I rewatched BB the other night, and man is that film amazing. Such great atmosphere. I liked that it wasn't just a "real city", which is where I think the other two films fell off on.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I feel the legacies of BB and TDK have been cemented. No matter how crazy things get with Bat-Fleck, those movies will always be referenced and revered in some way.

I'm on the fence about TDKR... It could be argued that it's major achievement and lasting legacy will be seeing a director/team with the conviction to END their story and on their OWN terms.

 

[shauner111]

I agree. That will be the legacy of Rises. Unless we start seeing its influence on other franchises (Spectre perhaps for Craig's final movie??).

I really believe that people will warm up to Rises in a decade or two when everyone is sick of the same Batman film ending. I don't care what people say, they WILL also get sick of seeing superheroes teaming up and facing each other. Marvel and DC will exhaust that concept. Even solo films will have appearances by other heroes. I wouldn't doubt it for one second if somebody said "Oh Superman will show up at the end of the solo Batfleck". Sounds about right.

Soon enough (maybe soon is the wrong word), people will look at the entire trilogy and feel that warm fuzzy feeling in their stomach lol. Outside of us, i mean! Just because of how stripped down it was. Story came first with these movies. Most of the time it's not the case. Not for at least a decade or more though, because Batfleck and Snyder will give the people what they've been craving, no doubt. Im ready for the Nolan hatred soon, but im also ready for all the love that will come pouring into the internet soon after.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Unless we start seeing its influence on other franchises (Spectre perhaps for Craig's final movie??).

Prolly not.

 

[shauner111]

I wouldn't say "prolly" not, after all it's Mendes and he might continue the Nolan influence. Especially since it's looking like the final Daniel Craig. The whole story seems to be calling back to Casino Royale. Full circle and so on.

 

[Slade W]

In regards to the topic of the best movie of 2014, Nightcrawler was the best IMO (of all the movies that I saw of course). Interstellar was good too IMO but I wouldn't call it the best.

 

[Shikamaru]

Interestingly enough, we've had so much superhero history in the past 10 years that Batman Begins feels like it came out more than a decade ago. The gap between '05 and 2015 feels longer than, say, the gap between the Raimi's first Spider-Man and Webb's first Spider-Man. Or even between 2000 and 2010.

The real world is now moving in "internet time".

 

[The Batman]

TDKR is the antithesis of everything major franchises try to do now. Right now, it's all about world building. In regards to franchises, movies no longer tell a full story, now they're glorified episodes of a TV show, continuing on and on. While creating a ending for Batman is impressive, its not something that will influence other franchises, at least not for a while.

TDKR's legacy is that it wasn't terrible, making The Dark Knight Trilogy the first good CBM trilogy, a trilogy that could be mentioned in the same breath as the LOTR trilogy, Dollars Trilogy, etc.

 

[shauner111]

I find it annoying. It can be exciting if you have characters coming up that you want to get to. But everything is a giant cliffhanger + loose threads. It really does feel like episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc...for every franchise. And EVERYTHING is turning into a franchise in Hollywood. Do we really need Edge of Tomorrow 2 like the rumors suggest? What happened to a big-budget action film that tells a story and ends it. Every studio wants to cross-over their characters and superheroes. We're getting Godzilla vs King-Kong in a few years probably.

Everything feels like a setup to a greater movie. It never really feels like you're there to watch a Marvel movie. It feels like you're there to see how they're going to set up a movie that may only exist in 2 or 3 years. It's hard to take serious sometimes when you have Captain America: Civil War announced with the big "Iron Man vs Captain America" confirmations, and stuff like this is announced by the time you're seeing Age of Ultron. So if it seems like Iron Man or Cap are in severe danger in act 3, well guess what? You dont feel scared for the characters because you know they make it out alive.

DC is following suit. And i just don't care about it anymore.

I can't wait to see these Batman characters but i can't wait for this trend to finish up, so we can just get back to a Batman film at a time.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Do you ever think there will be a better straight-up superhero film than TDK? Regardless of how comic-booky it was or wasn't I think as a standalone film it is a great piece of art and should have been nominated for an academy award.

When Nolan made TDK he wasn't even sure if he'd ever direct a sequel to it, so it was constructed with the mentality of it being a stand-alone film, which is something you don't see anymore as every major comic book film is supposed to be connected to this greater universe and multiple sequels etc.

 

[shauner111]

Absolutely. I think the solo Batman franchise is just warming up. It could be topped soon with Affleck at the helm, or we'll get it the next time. At some point they will be able to make an even better Batman movie. I do have confidence in the Batman film that features Jared Leto. The academy loves Ben more than Chris, so you never know.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Here's the thing I think a "better" or more accurately "true to the source material" Batman film could and will be made.

However back to my point as a film itself will it stand alone as a film as well as The Dark Knight did? Meaning being Oscar worthy, being helmed by a once in a generation directorial talent, the critical acclaim etc.

Superhero films are't made as stand-alones anymore but cogs or pieces really, which I think affects their quiality.

 

[shauner111]

A better film overall? It can be done. But not for a long time.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I wouldn't say "prolly" not, after all it's Mendes and he might continue the Nolan influence. Especially since it's looking like the final Daniel Craig. The whole story seems to be calling back to Casino Royale. Full circle and so on.

Knowing what I know of the script, if this is Craig's last movie, it would be a ....missed opportunity, in a way.

 

[Matt.S99]

I think a more faithful Batman film can and WILL be done with Batfleck, but I doubt it will be as influential as TDK is.

 

[Shikamaru]

Depends on what you mean by "faithful". Chris' Batman may not have been the world's greatest detective, but there are plenty of themes and ideas that I think will be hard to execute just as well.

For example, I think TDK is one of the best representations of the Batman/Joker dynamic we've seen in all of Batman media. I don't know if that particular aspect will be topped anytime soon, and that's just one instance.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think the nature of summer blockbusters curtail the amount of detective work Batman should do. It's not by accident that not a single Batman film has satisfied the detective aspect. I would love to see a low key, slower paced Batman movie. That is how you would top TDK, by doing something totally different.

 

[The Joker]

Depends on what you mean by "faithful". Chris' Batman may not have been the world's greatest detective, but there are plenty of themes and ideas that I think will be hard to execute just as well.

For example, I think TDK is one of the best representations of the Batman/Joker dynamic we've seen in all of Batman media. I don't know if that particular aspect will be topped anytime soon, and that's just one instance.

I second this. Most of the stuff in TDK you can find in the comics in some shape or form. Everything from Bruce living in a penthouse, to Joker using hostages dressed as clowns for human sniper targets.

 

[Shikamaru]

I think the nature of summer blockbusters curtail the amount of detective work Batman should do. It's not by accident that not a single Batman film has satisfied the detective aspect. I would love to see a low key, slower paced Batman movie. That is how you would top TDK, by doing something totally different.

I'm not so sure about that. Franchises like Guy Richie's Sherlock Holmes and Detective Conan show you can find a healthy balance between action and detective work in just 2 hours. I think it's more of a case of other aspects of the character having been highlighted more.

That being said, I would love a Batman miniseries told in Sherlock format.