The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

Gothamsknight said:
Been thinking about it more, and Christian Bale is definitely still my favorite Batman. I think I need to see more how Pattinson develops over the course of the trilogy before I can fully rank him, but he comes in at #2 for me. :up:
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Came across this the other day, gave me a chuckle. Love Bale. Pattinson is a total goofball weirdo in interviews and Bale also has a great "0 Fs given" sense of humor. :funny:
 
BatLobster said:


Came across this the other day, gave me a chuckle. Love Bale. Pattinson is a total goofball weirdo in interviews and Bale also has a great "0 Fs given" sense of humor. :funny:
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I was not expecting what he said in that second clip haha.
 
I rewatched this yesterday, for the first time in ages. Certainly the weakest of the three, but still a decent movie with some epic moments. And at least has an ending . The biggest crime for me was the breaking down of the relationship of Bruce and Alfred. A terrible decision by Nolan. And Bane really wasn’t a very compelling villain. Allowing Bane to take over a city was stretching things too far. Like a James Bond baddie! But You have to admire Nolan trying to go full on epic with the last of his trilogy. He kinda went bigger is better route too much though !
 
jamesb said:
I rewatched this yesterday, for the first time in ages. Certainly the weakest of the three, but still a decent movie with some epic moments. And at least has an ending . The biggest crime for me was the breaking down of the relationship of Bruce and Alfred. A terrible decision by Nolan.
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Thing is, it made the ending that much more satisfying. Those nods are everything to me. Beautiful moment of silent reconciliation and a perfect story resolution, no dialogue necessary.
 
BatLobster said:
Thing is, it made the ending that much more satisfying. Those nods are everything to me. Beautiful moment of silent reconciliation and a perfect story resolution, no dialogue necessary.
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That last little scene wasnt enough for There relationship that they had shown over the first 2 movies. It was flat. Still a terrible creative decision. It didn't ruin the movie, also After watching it I picked up how easy Bruce forgave Catwoman for stabbing him in the back nearly for the entire movie! Again it didn't ruin the movie for me just something else that doesnt ring true, Nolan clearly needed longer to write the screenplay. Maybe needed a rewrite.
 
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Loved The Batman and loved Pattinson in the role...as I somehow knew I would. As others have said, it's like a graphic novel come to life. I liked how, bat-voice wise, you could clearly tell Rob was going for something closer to Keaton, but then when he was trying to intimidate someone he started channeling Bale. I've seen some saying his approach was a nice, balanced mixture of both and I tend to agree.

Also, the theme blaring over Batman's entrance during that final showdown with the Riddlers was just :hmr:

If there's one thing which irked me, though, it was him being bulletproof, just seemed to not really jive with the overall grittiness Reeves seemed to be going for. Not a deal-breaker by any means, but I do agree that it kind of made the stakes in the movie not have as much weight.

Anyway, was sad to see some of the Nolan bashing following the premiere, even though I do understand that's how the fandom rolls. I will say that seeing The Batman twice at the cinema has given me an itch to rewatch the whole trilogy again. :D

Gothamsknight said:
After having seen the film only once, I will say this. I truly loved it and, dare I say it, I feel like it probably is the best comic book flick since TDK! I really need to see it again. I will also say at the moment TDK is still #1 for me though. Now, the #2 spot is currently between Batman Begins and The Batman. Both are great movies, and I think it's gonna be tough for me to decide right now. There's a warmth and comfort to Batman Begins that just resonates with me, and all the set pieces are just *chefs kiss*. At the same time, The Batman is pure Batman bliss and it's like a graphic novel come to life. Both are fantastic movies. Btw, I know people like to pick apart the 3rd act of Begins, but it still works so well for me.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there - and I think this is one of the main reasons BB still edges out The Batman for me as well. I still get goosebumps whenever I just think of this, just screams Batman to me.

BatLobster said:


Came across this the other day, gave me a chuckle. Love Bale. Pattinson is a total goofball weirdo in interviews and Bale also has a great "0 Fs given" sense of humor. :funny:
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Haha, I remember that Kilborn interview with Bale! Pretty sure it's his only late night appearance ever.
 
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Nice to see you @BatmanBeyond!

Yeah, for me it's weird comparing BB and The Batman. The Batman is a more ambitious, more fully realized "Batman" film in a lot of ways. Reeves was clearly swinging for something "TDK level" with his first attempt, and you gotta admire the ambition.

Reeves was absolutely correct not to do another origin, and I think he approached rebooting this franchise (again) in the best way possible to make it fresh. At the same time, there is just something to be said for a good ol' origin story and the classical approach to this kind of story. I'm not faulting The Batman for not being that, but it's just a hard thing to compete against for me.
 
jamesb said:
That last little scene wasnt enough for There relationship that they had shown over the first 2 movies. It was flat. Still a terrible creative decision. It didn't ruin the movie, also After watching it I picked up how easy Bruce forgave Catwoman for stabbing him in the back nearly for the entire movie! Again it didn't ruin the movie for me just something else that doesnt ring true, Nolan clearly needed longer to write the screenplay. Maybe needed a rewrite.
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You have any idea of what you have done instead? Going off your previous comment about Bane, would you have used a different villain?
 
I'm not paid millions to write and direct so I'm not going to rewrite it myself. I'm just saying After watching it again recently, there are things that don't ring true. Mr Nolan and his brother probably needed a longer break from the 2nd to fix the script or make it better.
 
jamesb said:
I'm not paid millions to write and direct so I'm not going to rewrite it myself. I'm just saying After watching it again recently, there are things that don't ring true. Mr Nolan and his brother probably needed a longer break from the 2nd to fix the script or make it better.
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I'd say four years is long enough.
 
BatLobster said:
Nice to see you @BatmanBeyond!

Yeah, for me it's weird comparing BB and The Batman. The Batman is a more ambitious, more fully realized "Batman" film in a lot of ways. Reeves was clearly swinging for something "TDK level" with his first attempt, and you gotta admire the ambition.

Reeves was absolutely correct not to do another origin, and I think he approached rebooting this franchise (again) in the best way possible to make it fresh. At the same time, there is just something to be said for a good ol' origin story and the classical approach to this kind of story. I'm not faulting The Batman for not being that, but it's just a hard thing to compete against for me.
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Nice to see you too, @BatLobster! :highfive:

And yeah, I appreciate Reeves' ambition with TBman, you can clearly tell the man is a huge Batman nerd. It's interesting, I've noticed him and the cast seemingly avoiding direct references to the Nolan trilogy during interviews as much as possible - now, granted, I haven't seen/heard all of them, but it's just something I picked up on.

I confess I haven't seen any of Reeves' previous movies, but having read about his work on SHH even before he was announced as helming TBman, I was somehow sure he'd deliver. Fanboys know their stuff. :cwink:

Excited to see what him and the cast do with the next installments.

Anyway, to bring it back to TDK Trilogy, I was rewatching the Joker interrogation scene and remembered that I really like Bale's voice before he goes all WHERE ARE THEY??!! :D It's got this nice mix of whisper and growl and he comes as across being very calm and in control, like any good Batman should. Kind of weird that he didn't end up using this version of it during scenes where he was Batman and just talking with people; I want to stress that I'm a fan of the Bale-growl, but ultimately what hinders it is its lack of consistency throughout the movies. I think it's something Pattinson managed to nail, although something I noticed is that in certain scenes there maybe wasn't enough of a distinction between his Bruce and Batman - although, with Bruce being a true shut-in in the movie, you could argue it didn't matter that much. One thing which Bale's take does achieve is a clear distinction between Bruce and Batman.

Although it has to also be said that Rob mentioned his vocal chords being under quite a bit of stress during filming because of doing the voice, much like Bale did back in the day. Suffering for your craft and all that...
 
BatLobster said:
Nice to see you @BatmanBeyond!

Yeah, for me it's weird comparing BB and The Batman. The Batman is a more ambitious, more fully realized "Batman" film in a lot of ways. Reeves was clearly swinging for something "TDK level" with his first attempt, and you gotta admire the ambition.

Reeves was absolutely correct not to do another origin, and I think he approached rebooting this franchise (again) in the best way possible to make it fresh. At the same time, there is just something to be said for a good ol' origin story and the classical approach to this kind of story. I'm not faulting The Batman for not being that, but it's just a hard thing to compete against for me.
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Exactly. I think because of the reasons you mentioned, it's really all down to what you feel when watching them. Batman Begins is more emotional for me, and being with Bruce on his journey from a boy to a man traveling the world, and then returning to become a symbol is just so damn cool to me. The non-linear aspects of the movie work so well, and make you feel every way it's supposed to. Reeves film shows us a Batman early on his career, trying to track a serial killer who's been leaving him messages. It's a very powerful story too, all things considered, and it's also not trying to be an origin story because we have seen that. It's really about preference because both are fantastic movies, but for the reasons mentioned, I think Batman Begins edges it out for me.
 
When I first saw Rises, I actually was so emotionally moved by it that I remember saying it was better than TDK. When the hype died down, I ended up keeping TDK and BB above it, but TDKR sits in comfortably at #3. It's still an incredible movie, and deserves every ounce of praise it deserves. Any flaws the film has don't exist to me when I watch it, and I'd still say it's better than most CBMs (including The Batman).
 
Something so simple stood out to me with that last video. I guess I was always aware of it on some level, but the way that video just pointed out made me go "aw shucks that's amazing."

The whole idea that Bane basically hijacks the idea of hope, like a dictator/demagogue does. The League talks of fire as a destructive, purifying force. IE- "when a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable and natural". This theme is continued in TDK with Joker, IE- "some men just want to watch the world burn."

So the flaming bat symbol scene, yes, it's Batman using his symbol as a rallying call, but it's also Batman reclaiming the light-- the fire. As Batman says at the end of The Batman, "People need hope". With TDKR, Batman is taking it back from a monster who has tried to pervert the very idea of hope and weaponize it against everyone. It's like the idea in Star Wars-- "We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down." It's the same idea here. Hence, the fire rises. Literally and figuratively here. I guess I was always aware of it on some level but I never heard it expressed exactly like that.

The flare scene is beautifully done in The Batman, but I simply don't agree when people say "this is the first time we've seen Batman's heroism depicted like this". Sure, you can say it's the scene that is the most focused on Batman directly saving people/leading them to safety and that's great. I love that. But pretty much the exact visual metaphor of being a light in the darkness was also done in TDKR, and it's more powerful to me because it is part of the culmination of an arc that's been building for three films.

In a weird way, I think the ending of The Batman would've made for a great ending to Man of Steel. I think it needed that type of moment after all the destruction. Plus there's a whole Moses type of imagery to the flare/flood scene that seems to apply better to Superman IMO.
 
Yeah, I think the flaming bat symbol is one of most underrated scenes in the trilogy. Finally Batman is a symbol of hope, and more than ever after climbing out of the prison and finding the fear again. "But Batman has to save the city and it's losing time!!! How silly!!" Yet, this is a comic book movie, and when Nolan uses some more fantastical elements, here comes the nitpicks...
Just wish the moment were longer, showing more reactions to his return. And yes, Batman saving the people in The Batman mirrors this scene nicely, and it's a beautiful moment too.
 
I'll never forget the experience I had watching this for the first time on opening night. I went to the triple feature of the entire trilogy and got stuck sitting in the corner of the very front row but still had a ton of fun. Even with the intermissions in between, I had to run off to the bathroom not long into TDKR. While I was washing my hands, there was another guy in there, a total stranger and we both just looked at each other and he said something like, "I hope we're not missing anything good" and then as if we'd planned it, we both simultaneously ran out the door without another single word and jogged back down to our theater so we wouldn't miss anything. :funny:
 
Is it weird that I STILL choke up at the bit where Alfred nods when seeing Bruce in Italy? I love how Zimmers music starts right before we see him. ugh, what a beautiful ending. I think a new era of Batman has started to highlight for me even more how important these movies are to me.

 
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