The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - Part 156

[Gothamsknight]

WB is re-uploading some older trailers in 4k.

It's been years since I saw this trailer. Memories! The teaser still remains my favorite.

 

[Filmfreak]

The teaser still remains my favorite.

This is my favourite as well. I remember it coming out at a time where most people had no idea about this movie even being made. And if you don't, you watch this, it sets the tone perfectly and only by the end you realise it's actually a Batman film. It's so effective at giving you so much, without actually telling you anything.

 

[BatLobster]

I hope they re-upload all the trailers for the trilogy in 4k. Nevah forget Wally's cinematography.

 

[Gothamsknight]

This is my favourite as well. I remember it coming out at a time where most people had no idea about this movie even being made. And if you don't, you watch this, it sets the tone perfectly and only by the end you realise it's actually a Batman film. It's so effective at giving you so much, without actually telling you anything.

I forgot where I saw it for the first time, but I was like "whoa!". I was so used to Burtons version and Schumachers that it really caught me by surprise.

 

[Rick190293]

This teaser hope WB uploads a 4K version of TDK's one. A Bat symbol breaking in 4K haha.

 

[BatLobster]

I still think this is a sick Batsuit, don't @me fanboys! It looks great in silhouette and contrasty lighting, but also works in fully lit scenarios and feels semi-futuristic without going too far in that direction IMO. And I think it definitely deserves some credit for being the first Bat-suit where the cowl is separate from the suit. I think the Pattinson suit takes some inspiration from it with the collar, the shoulder pads and armor-plated approach. It definitely streamlines it a bit and gets rid of the "jigsaw puzzle" aspect that I know people didn't like, but you could almost see them reverse engineering it with the logic of "What would The Dark Knight suit look like if Bruce Wayne put it together himself rather than the applied sciences department of Wayne tech?".

 

[Gothamsknight]

I still think this is a sick Batsuit, don't @me fanboys! It looks great in silhouette and contrasty lighting, but also works in fully lit scenarios and feels semi-futuristic without going too far in that direction IMO. And I think it definitely deserves some credit for being the first Bat-suit where the cowl is separate from the suit. I think the Pattinson suit takes some inspiration from it with the collar, the shoulder pads and armor-plated approach. It definitely streamlines it a bit and gets rid of the "jigsaw puzzle" aspect that I know people didn't like, but you could almost see them reverse engineering it with the logic of "What would The Dark Knight suit look like if Bruce Wayne put it together himself rather than the applied sciences department of Wayne tech?".

Agreed. I have to say, I never had a problem with this suit. I could see why people would prefer the BB suit, but this was still identifiably Batman, and I like that they used the "wanted to be able to turn your head" stuff as a reason for upgrades. It felt military/tactical in a sense.

 

[Brother Jack]

It felt appropriate to Nolan's Gotham and was aesthetically of a piece with the themes of the story he was telling. As in it's a literal suit of plate armor evoking the imagery of a knight, the bat-pod as his trusty steed. Visually Batman moves away from the hulking creature of the night persona to this established knightly role. I also give it props for the being the first suit to incorporate fabric in its design, and how it took the modern standard of the comics suit as fabric over interior kevlar/armor plating and inverted it. It was an evolutionary step away from the rubber suits before it and I don't think it gets nearly enough credit for that.

I'll always been a little bummed that a version three wasn't made for Rises, though. I think there was a missed opportunity there to take the two suits and make some kind of amalgamation; the bulk of the first but with the flexibility of the second. It would've worked well with the film as Rises is itself an aesthetic and narrative marriage of the other two films.

 

[Rick190293]

I will always be a defender of TDK/TDKR suit, althrough I can see too why so many dislike it. It maintains the Batman classic asthetic adding some new tech like the flexible neck, and IMO it worked better than BB suit. My grip would be the chest symbol, could stand out more, and I'm glad Pattinson's one stands much more.

 

[BatLobster]

Hans Zimmer's Favorite Batman Score Is Not the One You'd Expect - IGN

Zimmer coming in with a hot take on the best Batman score!

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, as a composer Goldenthal is no slouch.

 

[BatLobster]

Well, as a composer Goldenthal is no slouch.

I've really come to appreciate his Batman scores.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

I still think this is a sick Batsuit, don't @me fanboys! It looks great in silhouette and contrasty lighting, but also works in fully lit scenarios and feels semi-futuristic without going too far in that direction IMO. And I think it definitely deserves some credit for being the first Bat-suit where the cowl is separate from the suit. I think the Pattinson suit takes some inspiration from it with the collar, the shoulder pads and armor-plated approach. It definitely streamlines it a bit and gets rid of the "jigsaw puzzle" aspect that I know people didn't like, but you could almost see them reverse engineering it with the logic of "What would The Dark Knight suit look like if Bruce Wayne put it together himself rather than the applied sciences department of Wayne tech?".

he looks like Femto.

 

[BatLobster]

he looks like Femto.

Well I think it looks cool, so there!

 

[Blade Hoarder]

The resemblance is uncanny.

 

[Gothamsknight]

With all the well deserved hype for Matt Reeves The Batman, I cant help but be annoyed with soundbites such as "The Dark Knight was a great film, but not a great Batman movie" when talking about what makes a great Batman movie. It's a weird statement, and one I will never agree with. How is a story about Batman being pushed to his limit by a nihilistic force of nature while also not losing faith in the good of humanity not a great Batman story? The man takes the fall for murders he didn't commit to preserve the image of a "white knight" so the Joker couldn't be proven right. That's a hell of a story, a hell of a message, and incredible example of how well written Batman is in that film, and the trilogy as a whole. I don't get it, I really don't. It's the most pure, definitive Batman vs Joker story we've ever gotten on film, and I personally feel like the Jokers presence in future Batman films will have to be different because of it.

It's like when people claim "remove the Joker, and it's not even a Batman movie or a good one at that". How can you remove a crucial element of a movie? if the Joker is taken out, there is no movie. Just like if you take Darth Vader out of Empire Strikes Back, there is no movie. Or the T-1000 in T2.

 

[The Joker]

Its the age old fanboy cycle. When a new version of something comes along they bash the old. When I think of the people praising Letoker in the Suicide Squad production days and trashing Ledger's Joker. Funny times. Were they super quiet months later when SS came out.

It happens with every franchise. All the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie bashing when the TASM franchise was announced, and then the MCU Spider-Man. Now they are all fawning all over the Raimi movies because their characters are going to be in the latest Spidey movie.

The CBM fanbase are very fickle.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Its the age old fanboy cycle. When a new version of something comes along they bash the old. When I think of the people praising Letoker in the Suicide Squad production days and trashing Ledger's Joker. Funny times. Were they super quiet months later when SS came out.

It happens with every franchise. All the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie bashing when the TASM franchise was announced, and then the MCU Spider-Man. Now they are all fawning all over the Raimi movies because their characters are going to be in the latest Spidey movie.

The CBM fanbase are very fickle.

Exactly. I'll never be part of that cycle lol. New versions doesn't automatically make old iterations bad. Sure, movies age, but not in the sense that a lot of people claim. When the Nolan films came out, I didn't think the Burton movies had necessarily aged, I just found that the Nolan movies were better, had more depth, told a much more fleshed out story, and included many aspects of the character that was either missing from the Burton flicks or were changed for some reason.. But I still really enjoy both Batman 1989 and Batman Returns for what they are.

I remember all the Raimi bashing in particular. It's ironic considering how forgettable the TASM movies ended up being. Now we got people who, and this is not me gatekeeping, but people who weren't even old enough to see a Raimi Spidey film in the theater all of a sudden be excited for Tobeys return when they were claiming those movies as "cheesy and old" not even 2 years ago. I can't stand it lol.

 

[Filmfreak]

Yeah add to those the 2015 reactions of people who were convinced that Snyder was to deliver the best Batman of all time just by the costume in the black and white Sadfleck teaser photo that was first released for BvS, and that, of course, every previous iteration sucked all of a sudden.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Yeah add to those the 2015 reactions of people who were convinced that Snyder was to deliver the best Batman of all time just by the costume in the black and white Sadfleck teaser photo that was first released for BvS, and that, of course, every other iteration sucked all of a sudden.

People get too hyped over the smallest thing, I swear. Expectation management is an important thing, and I say that as someone who is very excited for The Batman and have pre ordered 3 of the Mcfarlane toys for it. We don't know how good it's gonna be until we watch it, no matter how awesome a trailer is. in the end, a black and grey suit on Affleck made little impact with how bad the characterization was.

 

[The Batman]

A lot of fans have a very surface level idea of what "proper" Batman is, which is why, for example, you still have people crying about how Nolan depicted Gotham, despite it being pretty true to how Gotham generally was pre-1989.

 

[Rick190293]

With all the well deserved hype for Matt Reeves The Batman, I cant help but be annoyed with soundbites such as "The Dark Knight was a great film, but not a great Batman movie" when talking about what makes a great Batman movie. It's a weird statement, and one I will never agree with. How is a story about Batman being pushed to his limit by a nihilistic force of nature while also not losing faith in the good of humanity not a great Batman story? The man takes the fall for murders he didn't commit to preserve the image of a "white knight" so the Joker couldn't be proven right. That's a hell of a story, a hell of a message, and incredible example of how well written Batman is in that film, and the trilogy as a whole. I don't get it, I really don't. It's the most pure, definitive Batman vs Joker story we've ever gotten on film, and I personally feel like the Jokers presence in future Batman films will have to be different because of it.

It's like when people claim "remove the Joker, and it's not even a Batman movie or a good one at that". How can you remove a crucial element of a movie? if the Joker is taken out, there is no movie. Just like if you take Darth Vader out of Empire Strikes Back, there is no movie. Or the T-1000 in T2.

This type of comment I've seen since TDK premiered, 14 years ago. Still very frequent today. "Ledger is what makes the movie works, It's just a cop thriller with Batman on it, bla bla", I respect all the opinions but frankly, how can you deny the core of the Batman character isn't in this film? Just because Nolan's approach was more realistic, that's his style, dammit! That's the beauty of the bat adaptations. Nolan, Burton, Snyder, Reeves now, even Schumacher... each one gives it own spin on it and incredibly works, somehow.

 

[Gothamsknight]

This type of comment I've seen since TDK premiered, 14 years ago. Still very frequent today. "Ledger is what makes the movie works, It's just a cop thriller with Batman on it, bla bla", I respect all the opinions but frankly, how can you deny the core of the Batman character isn't in this film? Just because Nolan's approach was more realistic, that's his style, dammit! That's the beauty of the bat adaptations. Nolan, Burton, Snyder, Reeves now, even Schumacher... each one gives it own spin on it and incredibly works, somehow.

Yep. I remember back then people were saying "it can't count as a comic book movie". People try so hard to discredit the movies success and just end up making themselves look so ignorant.

 

[BatLobster]

Glad I'm not the only one who rolls my eyes at the "Begins is a better Batman movie than TDK" thing. I honestly feel like people say that strictly because it features the Narrows, Arkham Asylum, Scarecrow's fear toxin, Batman being a terrifying force to criminals etc.- more "comic booky" elements. But to me it's more of a Bruce Wayne story, which is why I love it- especially the first hour.

TDK is more of a full-on Batman/Gotham crime epic that captures the essence of Batman/Joker dynamic and Harvey's rise and fall. Some hugely important pieces of the overall Batman mythos. Again, I think people just say it because you have a more "clean" Gotham that's full-on Chicago, a lot of daytime scenes, etc. Bruce does take a bit of a back seat compared to Begins , but the movie itself is entirely an exploration of what effects that his choice to be Batman has had on Gotham. And the Bruce story obviously comes full circle in Rises.

Fans are just funny. I'm glad there are some of us who can see beyond the present moment and notice these cycles when it comes to how some people tear down previous incarnations to somehow "justify" their hype, when it's not necessary. You can still love and celebrate the old stuff while embracing the new. Makes being a fan a richer experience if you ask me.

 

[Rick190293]

Yeah, I never was expecting someone would combine the Batman elements so greatly after Nolan. I'm super excited for Reeves surpassing it, and I'm a sucker for TDK trilogy all day.