The Xbox One - Part 3

[SolarTiger]

I kinda agree... Especially since for so many people, the sentiment seems to be:

Microsoft promising console with big changes = Money grubbing, greedy, arrogance

&

Microsoft backflipping on every major console decision, stripping away all unique features = Microsoft 'listening' to fans, evening the playing field.

This type of thinking does worry me a tad.

Someone brought up ME3, and while I hated the original endings, I was never one of those fans DEMANDING Bioware make DLC to change the ending. I thought that was pretentious. They have the right to make the ending the way they want to, its their piece of art.

Xbone had features that made it difficult for certain people with the always online DRM. They took that away, and since they've already spent all this money on Kinect 2.0 and pushing it as a part of the experience, they shouldn't have dropped it so quickly. Some people were looking forward to it. Removing it doesn't make me cancel my PS4 preorder and order a Xbox. It just it a more appealing option when they eventually release a cheaper XBone without Kinect in a few years.

If that's their goal, good for them I guess. But you'd have to guess their developer team isn't happy with this decision.

 

[X Knight]

well, in the end, this is a good thing.

competition is always good.

but who knows where we'll be a year from now.......lol

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think the tables are turned here from the last gen, where Sony and Microsoft have switched places, although I'd argue that MS is probably in a better position than Sony was with the PS3... So I think it will be VERY interesting to see where both consoles are this time next year.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Are you complaining that Sony undercut Microsoft? Sony has been upfront about how the PS4 didn't cost nearly as much to make as the PS3 did, and that allowed them to price it at 400 dollars.

Why are you whining that a console is 100 dollars cheaper? That's a good thing!

I'm not complaining that PS4 is cheaper, I'm complaining that people are saying the X1 is too expensive. I think if both were $500, people would have been fine with that price point, but since PS4 is $400, people unfairly think X1 is trying to screw them at $500

 

[X Knight]

well the X1 is $100 more cuz of Kinect.

now that Kinect is becoming less and less mandatory...............it would seem the next logical step is a Kinect-less model.

 

[JOlsen]

I'm not complaining that PS4 is cheaper, I'm complaining that people are saying the X1 is too expensive. I think if both were $500, people would have been fine with that price point, but since PS4 is $400, people unfairly think X1 is trying to screw them at $500

Microsoft is forcing me to pay 100$ extra because they are bundling the kinnect which is not necessary and something I'd never use. They are screwing me by forcing something I do not want down my throat if I want the system at all.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Microsoft is forcing me to pay 100$ extra because they are bundling the kinnect which is not necessary and something I'd never use. They are screwing me by forcing something I do not want down my throat if I want the system at all.

See, this is the kinda BS I can't stand... They're not forcing you to do anything and saying it's not 'necessary' is ridiculous. They built the console largely around Kinect functionality. Most of it's interface and cooler features use Kinect.

They're not 'screwing you' because you haven't bought the ****ing thing yet. You're free to buy whatever you want. They've offered a product which offers a service. Acting like it's a slight just because it doesn't appeal to you is exactly the kind of entitled consumer fan BS that MS should have ignored.

 

[X Knight]

Microsoft is forcing me to pay 100$ extra because they are bundling the kinnect which is not necessary and something I'd never use. They are screwing me by forcing something I do not want down my throat if I want the system at all.

patience.........patience.........

 

[Havok83]

See, this is the kinda BS I can't stand... They're not forcing you to do anything and saying it's not 'necessary' is ridiculous. They built the console largely around Kinect functionality. Most of it's interface and cooler features use Kinect.

They're not 'screwing you' because you haven't bought the ****ing thing yet. You're free to buy whatever you want. They've offered a product which offers a service. Acting like it's a slight just because it doesn't appeal to you is exactly the kind of entitled consumer fan BS that MS should have ignored.

MS is saying its unnecessary by backtracking and saying its not required for use anymore when before they were saying the opposite. Its a forced pack in. One isn't forced to buy an X1 but if you do, you have to accept that you will be paying for the costs of Kinect whether you want the accessory or not, at least until its unbundled if that ever happens. Its probably what he meant, just worded it wrong

 

[Tron Bonne]

I'm not complaining that PS4 is cheaper, I'm complaining that people are saying the X1 is too expensive. I think if both were $500, people would have been fine with that price point, but since PS4 is $400, people unfairly think X1 is trying to screw them at $500

Seems a pretty natural reaction to me. In the end, from a completely technical viewpoint, what does the One have that the PS4 does not? The hardware is roughly the same (with the PS4 even being a little better), they both have roughly the same drive capabilities, and they both have BC cut. The only separating feature is the Kinect, is it not? If someone has no interest in it, how would you expect them to react? You personally can feel the Kinect is worth that price, but there's a lot of perceptive to that value. It's irrelevant if the PS4 was the same price, because it's not and never was.

And just speaking for me personally, I actually would think $500 is a bit on the high side, especially when you consider neither has any backwards compatibility features.

 

[X Knight]

yeah......BC on either console would have been nice.

the less systems I have to hold onto the better........lol

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Agree with Wolvie that no one is being forced to buy anything. They're promoting a feature of their console. If you don't like that feature and the price that it comes with, there are other options available. It's already been proven in the current generation that motion controls don't work as a peripheral. Including it gives it the best chance at success; that's a fact. They're backtracking that it's required for the console to physically function. They're absolutely not backtracking that Kinect is required to have the best X1 experience.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Seems a pretty natural reaction to me. In the end, from a completely technical viewpoint, what does the One have that the PS4 does not? The hardware is roughly the same (with the PS4 even being a little better), they both have roughly the same drive capabilities, and they both have BC cut. The only separating feature is the Kinect, is it not? If someone has no interest in it, how would you expect them to react? You personally can feel the Kinect is worth that price, but there's a lot of perceptive to that value. It's irrelevant if the PS4 was the same price, because it's not and never was.

And just speaking for me personally, I actually would think $500 is a bit on the high side, especially when you consider neither has any backwards compatibility features.

That's not necessarily true. It's been said that the PS4 cut an included Eye/Move last second to beat MS at price.

 

[Tron Bonne]

How are you not being forced to buy Kinect with the One? It comes bundled in every console, so yes, you absolutely are being forced to buy it unless they announce a Kinect-less console.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's not necessarily true. It's been said that the PS4 cut an included Eye/Move last second to beat MS at price.

It was never announced, though, so it never was that price. So really, it's just sort of irrelevant all around.

 

[Havok83]

That's not necessarily true. It's been said that the PS4 cut an included Eye/Move last second to beat MS at price.

Sony has never given a price for the PS4 other than the $399. Now not including the Eye did allow them to make it more affordable, we have no clue what that price may have been with it. FYI, the thing costs $60. $400 + $60 = $460. Even if it was bundled, it doesn't mean it would have been $500 like the X1. More likely $450 which is still cheaper, although not as extreme.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Saying you're forced to buy Kinect is saying you're forced to buy the X1 which you're not. It's an included feature of the console.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Saying you're forced to buy Kinect is saying you're forced to buy the X1 which you're not. It's an included feature of the console.

Kind of splitting hairs here, aren't we? The Xbone can function without the Kinect, and it's technically a separate item. So, we won't say forced. The Kinect is required to own alongside with each Xbone purchase. Sort of the same point, though, is it not?

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Microsoft never announced a Kinect-less version, though, so really that's just sort of irrelevant all around.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Nice try, I guess, but doesn't really translate to this situation. It's still an accessory, not a feature. One that some people aren't that interested in, therefore comments on it marking up the price, which is what was originally being talked about iirc. If the Kinect had not/did not exist before this, maybe you could say that, but not the case unfortunately

 

[Havok83]

Its relevant in that its preventing people from purchasing the console, at least initially.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It's not splitting hairs, that's exactly the point. People are acting outraged by a product Microsoft are offering. There's nothing wrong with said product, we're not getting an inferior product... We're not getting an overly expensive product... We're just getting a product. People's No. 1 complain is simply that they don't want it. Well the solution that is in the consumers hands... Don't buy it.

They've designed the Xbox One largely around Kinect, not to just 'sell the Kinect' but because they think it enhances the experience. Complaining that you're being 'forced to use it' is like saying the PS4 is forcing you to use a regular controller. It's just a part of the interface...

Now they're saying it's possible to interact with the Xbox One without the Kinect but so what? It's possible to turn on a TV without a remote control but it's a pain in the arse... I've seen the new Kinect in action and it looks like a perfectly valid component of a next gen console and I'm not even talking about game application.

I'm not saying it's for everyone, but it's just a feature of the console. Of course it's included in the price.... What feature in a console ISN'T? You don't like the gamepad in a Wii U? Then don't buy a Wii U.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

You're assuming it marks up the price they same way I assume the lack of Eye marks down the PS4.

 

[Tron Bonne]

It is splitting hairs, at least to me. Kinect is a feature of the console, but one that is a separate piece of hardware, and is looking more and more like an optional one. It sounds less like an inherent feature and more like an accessory to me. The Gamepad for Wii U is a decent analogue, and it's one that people criticize. I don't think it's entirely accurate to the Kinect situation here, but that doesn't matter. The overall point is still the same for a lot of people, and whether or not you like, people are going to point it out when there's a cheaper alternative, and the Kinect seems less and less emphasized.

If the reaction is just 'buy it' or 'don't', then we might as well shut down all discussion about it. People are going to go in depth than that, and frankly, I think resorting to that kind of closed-loop logic shows a lack of really defensive points for the Kinect's inclusion more than anything.

 

[Tron Bonne]

You're assuming it marks up the price they same way I assume the lack of Eye marks down the PS4.

...Wut?