TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 1

[The Sage]

Exactly. Luthor shouldn't be trying to destroy Metropolis or enslave humanity, but to discredit Superman and expand his own empire.

It's funny, but I'd like to see Lex in the Suit vs Batman in World's Finest. I think it would be an interesting subversion of expectations

That'd be cool to see, but I'm sure Iron Man comparisons would get made.

But that kind of drama have been so overdone in almost every other tv show we see... including in superman.

Lex would have made a great Batman villian...

Hero discrediting, origin stories, old friends/relatives/mentors becoming enemies, invasion angles are all things that have been done on almost every tv show, comic, or film. It's all about taking the template and telling it another way with some added wrinkles. Plus, it's never been done on film with Superman, so it it would be a good change up.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yes. It's time we see modern age Lex. I think he should be seen in bit moments, with his full villainy revealed near the end of the movie. I want it to be a bittersweet ending. Superman stops the henchcharacter causing trouble, but the perpetrator goes free. He can then letting his hunger for power drive him mad enough that he'd associate with ANYONE to destroy Superman. That conflict should be the driving force behind World's Finest, which I think would be great as a "lighter" movie

 

[The Sage]

^ " Lex could have been a great Batman villain"

Which is WHY I want Lex in MOS2 to get relatively little screen-time, with the powerful henchman doing villainous things sporadically, with the rest of the narrative being character driven. By putting Lex up against Batman in the sequel, his ability to be dangerous stands out, while Superman gets to fight a bigger intergalactic foe.

I don't want Lex in the mechanized suit for MOS2. I want Superman to be saving Lex from his disgruntled henchmen, and there to be an enchange of words, not blows for Superman and Luthor.

Lex's threat can stand out in a Superman film as well. He doesn't need to be in film with a more grounded hero to display it. An exchange of words is perfect, with us seeing Lex plotting his plans, or maybe not seeing them at all, and we just see and experience them as Superman does.

 

[GreenKToo]

My wish would be for Lex to get his hands on some of the kryptonian tech left over from MoS and create supervillains to go up against supes.
Metallo, Parasite, Doomsday, etc. ( NO, not all in one film )
Lex would be responsible for unleashing all, or most, of supermans rogue gallery.

You could have MoS 2 open with a montage of the last two or three years of supes fighting Lex's creations and defeating them. Have a even bigger baddie in MoS 2. Maybe Doomsday, or maybe have two different supervillains together.

 

[davejames]

I've always loved the idea from some of the comics of Lex creating Bizarro. Would love to see that in a movie someday.

 

[jthom19802]

My wish would be for Lex to get his hands on some of the kryptonian tech left over from MoS and creates supervillains to go up against supes.
Metallo, Parasite, Doomsday, etc. ( NO, not all in one film )
Lex would be responsible for unleashing all, or most, of supermans rogue gallery.

Just take it now.

 

[robot]

^ " Lex could have been a great Batman villain"

Which is WHY I want Lex in MOS2 to get relatively little screen-time, with the powerful henchman doing villainous things sporadically, with the rest of the narrative being character driven. By putting Lex up against Batman in the sequel, his ability to be dangerous stands out, while Superman gets to fight a bigger intergalactic foe.

I don't want Lex in the mechanized suit for MOS2. I want Superman to be saving Lex from his disgruntled henchmen, and there to be an enchange of words, not blows for Superman and Luthor.

Ok, now, this I could definitely buy... because it's just too illogical to me whenever Lex goes up against Superman, you either have to dumb down superman, make him too much of a boyscout to do the right thing like killing Lex off because he's already killed millions (lex is not worth saving if he's a terrorist and killing millions over and over again), or go the cop-out, lazy script writing way by throwing kryptonite into superman's face...

Lex up agains't batman.. now that's a whole different story.. both are geniuses, both are billionaires.. and they can have all the drama in the world if they like and it won't defy logic... because both are equally matched.. Lex is just no match to superman, period (without, as i said, dumbing down superman)

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think (and this is controversial) if they approach the DOS storyline, it should be near the end of the Justice League. The main villain is defeated, but he left behind a "special present" for Superman. Superman should realize leaving his friends to battle it risks destroying them, so he sacrificially takes it on alone, and dies.

And then I'd want a good long while until a Return arc is adapted.

 

[GreenKToo]

I want to see the businessman AND scientist Lex. He is supposed to be one of the smartest, if not the smartest, men on the planet..Lets see that please.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Kind of like the evil scientist angle, with LexCorp creating dangerous robots and the like.

 

[The Sage]

Ok, now, this I could definitely buy... because it's just too illogical to me whenever Lex goes up against Superman, you either have to dumb down superman, make him too much of a boyscout to do the right thing like killing Lex off because he's already killed millions (lex is not worth saving if he's a terrorist and killing millions over and over again), or go the cop-out, lazy script writing way by throwing kryptonite into superman's face...

Lex up agains't batman.. now that's a whole different story.. both are geniuses, both are billionaires.. and they can have all the drama in the world if they like and it won't defy logic... because both are equally matched.. Lex is just no match to superman, period (without, as i said, dumbing down superman)

Lol, Superman doesn't need to be dumbed down to deal with Lex, nor would he take his life. If they treat Lex as the smartest man in the world as he should be, that's more than enough challenge. Kryptonite is a weapon Lex uses, but not the only one. He's smart enough to come up with ways to go against Superman, either physical or mental.

I want to see the businessman AND scientist Lex. He is supposed to be one of the smartest, if not the smartest, men on the planet..Lets see that please.

^ Kind of like the evil scientist angle, with LexCorp creating dangerous robots and the like.

Exactly. He's at his best when treated as described.

 

[Zionite1]

My wish would be for Lex to get his hands on some of the kryptonian tech left over from MoS and create supervillains to go up against supes.
Metallo, Parasite, Doomsday, etc. ( NO, not all in one film )
Lex would be responsible for unleashing all, or most, of supermans rogue gallery.

You could have MoS 2 open with a montage of the last two or three years of supes fighting Lex's creations and defeating them. Have a even bigger baddie in MoS 2. Maybe Doomsday, or maybe have two different supervillains together.

This is what I want excep-I think Lex should be responsible for unleashing supemans rogues that are of earth.So no Doomsday.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I'd like to see them treat Lex as someone that the general public loves nearly as much as Superman in the movies, so that the challenge becomes not so much just thwarting his plans, but showing the world just who he is. Though I do think Lex as a main villain would be better in a World's finest film, beyond that I'd just like to see him have a side-role in the MOS sequels.

 

[Still Wynning]

I want to see the businessman AND scientist Lex. He is supposed to be one of the smartest, if not the smartest, men on the planet..Lets see that please.

They should pretty much do Lex Luthor from Birthright, minus being childhood friends with Clark.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Ideally, Lex would be handled more like Harry Osborne in the Spider-Man series. More of a side-villain, but a personal one.

 

[Glassjaw]

They should pretty much do Lex Luthor from Birthright, minus being childhood friends with Clark.

Yeah, sign me up for a Lex half inspired by Birthright and half Secret Origin.

 

[Notrip]

^ I really would rather not see Lex as a side-villian. No thanks. He needs to be the main guy imho. I do like half inspired by Birthright and half Secret origin would be fine I suppose.

Man of Steel 87/100

Back up to an 87 from an 86 on Critic' Choice Awards site.

 

[GreenKToo]

Just take it now.

 

[Notrip]

http://www.criticschoice.com/members/gpennacchio/

Man Of Steel 90

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

From GrindMyReels-a totally spoilerish review.

3 out of 4 stars.

Zach Snyder's Man of Steel not only manages to successfully reboot the Superman series, but it manages to make The Avengers and Avatar look like a child's play toy in comparison. Now that we've seen what big, modern Superman action looks like, hopefully the second film will spend more time fleshing out its characters and less with suits punching each other. Just like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight [what?] before it, Man of Steel is a great introduction that understands the appeal of its titular character and is headed towards becoming legendary.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I agree with this sentiment.

Ive seen you comment about the pacing and needing to flesh things out. You think you could estimate about how much more time they would have needed to do that? I mean the final cut is 2hrs20~ and the initial cut is said to have been about an hour longer. In your opinion what length might've worked better?

 

[Autonet]

Ive seen you comment about the pacing and needing to flesh things out. You think you could estimate about how much more time they would have needed to do that? I mean the final cut is 2hrs20~ and the initial cut is said to have been about an hour longer. In your opinion what length might've worked better?

It's not so much that it could've used more time. Maybe a different order or a bit more attention to some details. I dunno maybe 20 minutes if they decided to just add on things. I don't like people want a 170 minute movie though.

 

[Rogzilla]

For me, I would love to see Lex as more of a rival than a villain. He wants to "save the world" too, he just wants the credit (and money) that goes with it. And he doesn't mind if a few (hundred/thousand/million) people get hurt along the way.

Maybe in MOS2, he could be commissioned by the military to make something that could stop a Kryptonian, leading to Metallo. Or, like in the animated series, he makes contact with Brainiac. Maybe, if they ever adapted a Death of Superman story, where Superman dies in the first act, Luthor tries to clone him, resulting in Bizzaro.

 

[Bran-El]

For me, I would love to see Lex as more of a rival than a villain. He wants to "save the world" too, he just wants the credit (and money) that goes with it. And he doesn't mind if a few (hundred/thousand/million) people get hurt along the way.

Sounds like you still want a villain.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

It's not so much that it could've used more time. Maybe a different order or a bit more attention to some details. I dunno maybe 20 minutes if they decided to just add on things. I don't like people want a 170 minute movie though.

Im wondering if in order to avoid a more direct comparison to BB they used flashbacks but in a different way and as a result it came out in some ways a bit disjointed.

Of course I say this not having seen the movie and going strictly off non-spoiler reviews, so what do I know.