TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 1

[BH/HHH]

Is this out of 4 or 5 stars?

Out of 5

 

[DanSupKP37]

In the TV guide for the Sun, they gave it 4 stars

Dean Cain LOL WOW!!

 

[Andreth]

Why LOL? he did a great job in the 90's tv show
and unlike Tom Welling, he wore the suit.

 

[Visualiza]

Why LOL? he did a great job in the 90's tv show
and unlike Tom Welling, he wore the suit.

Loved that show; Cain & Hatcher really nailed it.

 

[BH/HHH]

Dean Cain is a great guy, I don't think he was ever that comfortable as Superman but he was a great Clark Kent.

 

[Super Kal]

what does "stonking" mean?

 

[BH/HHH]

what does "stonking" mean?

It's just another way of saying something's great

 

[shallbecomeabat]

Secondly, I think that this whole 'dark, gritty, and grounded' tone is becoming a fad, and in some cases, filmmakers sacrifice a great deal of content for said tone, Dredd being a noteworthy recent example.

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In my eyes, the lighthearted "fun" thing is much more of a fad. How many dark and gritty superhero movie do we have in the last 8 years? BB, TDK, TDKR, Watchmen, Dredd, maybe Amazing Spiderman. Thats it. All of them were loved by most of their audience and all of them were widely regarded as good to great to masterpieces. Thats not a fad.

How many "fun" superhero movies did we have? IM, IM2, IM3, Thor, CA First Avenger, Avengers, Kick Ass (it gets dark a lot, but is still more of a comedy than a really dark and sombre film), Wolverine Origins, Green Lantern, Superman Returns and more. Thats a fad, if you ask me, since most of those didn't get as much recognition as the darker ones (IM and Avengers being the exceptions). So, when you look at quality... dark is still most of the time done in a higher quality than "fun", because they take the whole subject more seriously (at least in my opinion).

So, no. Dark and serious is not a fad. Its simply taking the characters as serious as you can and then making a good movie. Most of the times.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Superman Returns feels like it's stepping into both categories, embracing the camp of the Donnerverse while trying to make Superman darker and more flawed. That being said, I agree to an extent. It depends on the superhero and the type of story being told. I wouldn't want a dark "Captain Marvel" story. But I also don't think characters should be limited by "he's a light character" so it has to be simplistic and fun, or "he's a dark character" so that the film itself cannot have an offbeat quality. I feel like there is flexibility there, due to the amount of source material. As for "everything's darker" type complaint, the darker superhero movies do stand out, because most superhero films stay on the "light" side of things.

As for MOS, if it's a bit more serious, I'm more than fine with it. Just so that I get a feeling of triumph at the end when watching it.

 

[SCATT]

@Autonet

Without giving spoilers away, considering that Lois Lane is an integral part of the Superman mythos, yet this is an origin story: what did you think of her as a character? Is she important to the story? How about her relationship with Clark/Superman? Is it believable and moving? Did you feel it was rushed?

 

[DanSupKP37]

Why LOL? he did a great job in the 90's tv show
and unlike Tom Welling, he wore the suit.

He did a great job????

I am just gonna leave that one alone.. I don't want to get infracted..

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Out of 5

The sun highest rating is 4 stars if I remember correctly.

 

[moviefan!]

Interesting

She gave mos a 7/10 but that score has been removed from her page

http://www.criticschoice.com/members/kmar/

 

[moviefan!]

New score: 9/10

http://www.criticschoice.com/members/gpennacchio/

 

[tarnishedspace]

Interesting

She gave mos a 7/10 but that score has been removed from her page

http://www.criticschoice.com/members/kmar/

Yeah I remember her. She was one of those who scored MOS early. Hmm. Probably, she changed her mind, or she has not seen MOS yet. lol

 

[BH/HHH]

The sun highest rating is 4 stars if I remember correctly.

Look above on the pic it has the key of star ratings and its not from the Sun as such it's from the TV guide in the Sun.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

The sun highest rating is 4 stars if I remember correctly.

It shows right in the picture itself, they give out 5 stars for "Brilliant"

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

In my eyes, the lighthearted "fun" thing is much more of a fad. How many dark and gritty superhero movie do we have in the last 8 years? BB, TDK, TDKR, Watchmen, Dredd, maybe Amazing Spiderman. Thats it. All of them were loved by most of their audience and all of them were widely regarded as good to great to masterpieces. Thats not a fad.

How many "fun" superhero movies did we have? IM, IM2, IM3, Thor, CA First Avenger, Avengers, Kick Ass (it gets dark a lot, but is still more of a comedy than a really dark and sombre film), Wolverine Origins, Green Lantern, Superman Returns and more. Thats a fad, if you ask me, since most of those didn't get as much recognition as the darker ones (IM and Avengers being the exceptions). So, when you look at quality... dark is still most of the time done in a higher quality than "fun", because they take the whole subject more seriously (at least in my opinion).

So, no. Dark and serious is not a fad. Its simply taking the characters as serious as you can and then making a good movie. Most of the times.

In my opinion, it's considered a fad because that's the mantra that moviemakers and fans keep chanting when it comes to big screen adaptations of comicbooks, games etc

'we're gonna keep it realistic!'

'it's gonna be grounded and gritty!'


Anyway, point is, going the 'dark and realistic' isn't always the best approach when it comes to adapting comic books, especially when you consider that most of the source materials isn't dark, realistic or whatever.

 

[Autonet]

@Autonet

Without giving spoilers away, considering that Lois Lane is an integral part of the Superman mythos, yet this is an origin story: what did you think of her as a character? Is she important to the story? How about her relationship with Clark/Superman? Is it believable and moving? Did you feel it was rushed?

Spoiler

She's a very important part of the story. Her character was pretty good. The chemistry is believable. Maybe it is a tad rushed, but it's an iconic relationship so I was ok with it.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ You gave away no plot details. That shouldn't be spoiler tagged, though your muscle memory is probably used to it

 

[Autonet]

^ You gave away no plot details. That shouldn't be spoiler tagged, though your muscle memory is probably used to it

I know it's not spoilery, but I don't want to take any chances.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Smart move, considering the uproar about someone mentioning his shaving habits.

 

[SCATT]

Spoiler

She's a very important part of the story. Her character was pretty good. The chemistry is believable. Maybe it is a tad rushed, but it's an iconic relationship so I was ok with it.

Spoiler

That makes me extremely happy I was starting to get worried, since almost every critic/fan/casual viewer that has seen the movie seems to only mention Lois to say that she is underused or barely more than a damsel in distress. As much as I love Superman, I wouldn't be nearly as excited to see this film as I am if Lois wasn't an important part of it.

Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate your taking the time to answer all these questions.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Spoiler

That makes me extremely happy I was starting to get worried, since almost every critic/fan/casual viewer that has seen the movie seems to only mention Lois to say that she is underused or barely more than a damsel in distress. As much as I love Superman, I wouldn't be nearly as excited to see this film as I am if Lois wasn't an important part of it.

Thank you very much for your response. I appreciate your taking the time to answer all these questions.

Most the reviews I have seen said she was fine on her own but their relationship was underdeveloped.

Spoiler

We know she's not just a damsel in distress because we saw her with a laser gun

 

[davejames]

Spot on man. Why would anyone want superhero films to have the same or even similar tones anyway? An Avengers movie with the tone of say tdkr would've been laughable.

Its great that marvel and DC are doing their own things with their own tones.

I have no problem with superhero movies having different tones and styles (I was a huge fan of Raimi's ultra-comic booky Spider-Man movies, for instance), but for Superman the approach Snyder's taking is the one that I'd much rather see used-- a realistic, documentary-style approach mixed with a sense of awe and wonder at who this character is and what he can do.

That's a combination that I don't think we've really seen before. The Nolan movies were dark and gritty, but there wasn't a whole lot of wonder, and the world never felt particularly real to me (in fact Gotham almost seemed to be it's own, freaky little country in those movies). And the world of Iron Man and Cap always seems a little too slick and comic booky to ever be truly believable.