TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 2

[Project862006]

And if the script is weak, how will you know without actually reading the script? It is the director's job to bring the work to life. What if the director fails at that? What if the idea is great, but the script writer fails? What if the script is great but he director doesn't bring it to life? How is that the scripts fault?

Just look at Watchmen for incredible, weak script, and director who misses the point.

how about no

watchmen is phenomenal

 

[Clarkwayne]

Longtime lurker, finally got around to posting because of being pumped for this movie. I read the variety review (spoilers are in it http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews/film-review-man-of-steel-1200493929/). It's more of a dislike of the story they told than the way Snyder and Co prsented it. Though I do find it hard to take a review seriously when they get facts wrong like saying the Kents are from Illinois.

 

[TheScarecrow]

To be completely fair, the movie appears to be more divisive than anything else.

It still has an average of 7.5/10 from critics on RT, which is the same as Batman Begins even though its meter is nearly 15% higher.

 

[robot]

Not necessarily, especially with big studio blockbusters. With Snyders track record there's no way he was given complete control & freedom of a $200m movie.

Like I said, the buck stops at the director... A good director will 'sell his idea' to the studios.. not just do what they tell him to do... they will recut and recut a movie until perfection..

Of course there'll be politics involved.. but again, a good director wears many hats..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

how about no

watchmen is phenomenal

Yes, if you have never read the book and enjoy worlds that crafted in such a way that they feel like they end one block down the street.

 

[-JKR-]

Not necessarily, especially with big studio blockbusters. With Snyders track record there's no way he was given complete control & freedom of a $200m movie.

It doesn't have much to do with control & freedom. People are not talking with a complete script overhaul. But a director still can work out faults in a script, even on set. Like I've said, Jon Favreau went into production without a script, and look how that worked out. It was a stupid, risky move, which should be avoided. But a story is always evolving while you're working on it, right until the editing stage.

 

[Project862006]

Yes, if you have never read the book and enjoy worlds that crafted in such a way that they feel like they end one block down the street.

i read the book before the movie so you can stop that line right there and Snyder understood the themes and characters of watchmen it was faithful has great visuals and very good acting snyder actually made me like manhattan when i didn't like him in the book

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Seriously?

It's still at 71..

 

[redfirebird2008]

To be completely fair, the movie appears to be more divisive than anything else.

It still has an average of 7.5/10 from critics on RT, which is the same as Batman Begins even though its meter is nearly 15% higher.

Begins has a 7.7 after 265 reviews. Long way to go for MOS. Hopefully it can stay above 70. I think if you can get 7 out of 10 critics to recommend a movie, that's pretty good reception.

 

[king666]

Not true:
(...)

It's true, actually. Read the full reviews. Some of them compare this Superman to other Superman movies, as if they were the definitive portrayal of the character.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Why do people think it will go down? It can go up as well.....

 

[king666]

Why do people think it will go down? It can go up as well.....

People think it will go down because Iron Man 3 went down (31 reviews, 90%).

 

[Liam_H]

Why do people think it will go down? It can go up as well.....

A lot easier to go down than up. Very rarely does a movie trend back upward significantly.

 

[Moridin]

Like I said, the buck stops at the director... A good director will 'sell his idea' to the studios.. not just do what they tell him to do... they will recut and recut a movie until perfection..

Of course there'll be politics involved.. but again, a good director wears many hats..

MoS wasn't Snyder's idea though, he didn't pitch a vision to the studio. Nolan pitched Goyers idea to the studio then recruited Snyder to bring it to life.

Buck stops with all main players as far as I'm concerned (ie, Snyder, Goyer, WB, Nolan)

 

[Micromind]

Again... No. If the SCRIPT is weak, it's Goyer's and partly Nolan's fault.

That is all that is being said here...

Again, script could be great, but what if it the scenes filmed are left on the editing floor ?

The movie director and editor should get blame then, not the writers.

 

[macphisto96]

To be completely fair, the movie appears to be more divisive than anything else.

It still has an average of 7.5/10 from critics on RT, which is the same as Batman Begins even though its meter is nearly 15% higher.

Certainly appears that way.

I do think sometimes critics will decide to call it rotten due to the marketing machine - and this one has had a massive marketing apparatus.

Glazing over a few of the negative reviews, most of the complaints settle on the fights and effects.

Ultimately, it is subjective and you don't make a movie for critics. The % of normal people that liked it is far more important than the critics %.

 

[-JKR-]

i read the book before the movie so you can stop that line right there and Snyder understood the themes and characters of watchmen it was faithful has great visuals and very good acting snyder actually made me like manhattan when i didn't like him in the book

That's good for you; not everyone liked it, and no one has to "stop the line." I thought it was weak sauce: pretentious, boring, yet with none of the depth of the source material. The visual style of the movie itself completely missed the point of what made the comic so great: the gritiness. Dave Gibbons' art was mundane, yet colorful; it was gritty, palpable, yet cinematic; it had texture; the movie looked too stylized and videogame-ish.

Now, it's fine if you liked it. But not everyone has to feel the same way.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

A lot easier to go down than up. Very rarely does a movie trend back upward significantly.

But....but what if it doesn't get a sequel....?
*hyperventilates*

 

[Zionite1]

Im not getting bent out of shape out of''the negative reviews because most of them are not negtaive at all-In fact they are positive just not Great.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

i read the book before the movie so you can stop that line right there and Snyder understood the themes and characters of watchmen it was faithful has great visuals and very good acting snyder actually made me like manhattan when i didn't like him in the book

You do realize how that is a contradiction right? If he understood the characters, why are you getting different feelings from the same character?

And all I have to do is watch the last 15 mins to realize Snyder did not get the characters and their arcs. Not Ozy and not Rorschach.

 

[titansupes]

I'm terrified right now. Please go back up. I know I shouldn't care this much, but damn it, I do.

 

[Liam_H]

But....but what if it doesn't get a sequel....?
*hyperventilates*

If it makes bank it won't matter where the RT score ends up. So do your part and watch it 10 times.

 

[Micromind]

I wonder what Ebert would have thought of the movie, he disliked SR, thinking it was too serious and not enough fun.

 

[-JKR-]

But....but what if it doesn't get a sequel....?
*hyperventilates*

Box office matters! If it makes big enough bucks, it'll get a sequel regardless of wether it'll hit 65% or 90% on RT.com.

 

[DanSupKP37]

Well this is interesting we have gone from a slew of great reviews calling it the best movie of the summer yesterday to some critics on RT not that happy with it. I am in the camp that thinks a lot of critics go in with agendas anyway..