TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 3

[routhman]

- Jow

lol t:

It's showing the linearity and predictability of the two scores, which should be taken with a grain of salt because who knows what movies they chose. Last I checked, your coefficient of determination needs to be close to 1 for a solid trend (not a statistics guy do don't quote me). 0.6 is not a great trend predicter.

As I wrote in my post, R^2 of 0.6 indicates a fairly weak correlation -- that said, anything above 0 indicates some measurable trend (however weak that trend may be).

Given the R^2 value, the prediction has a decent chance of being wrong; that said, it was just intended as a light confidence booster.

I think the gif is in response to the fact someone actually took the time to do that.

It only took about 10 minutes with RT, CC, and Microsoft Excel. Not really a big deal.

If I wanted to waste my time, I would've given you the uncertainties in the prediction (i.e. an interval taking into account the statistical uncertainties) -- that would've taken considerably more effort, but admittedly would've provided more significant information.

Can't believe you did this :P but I'll be sure to remember when the results come. Would be interesting to see if the prediction holds true.

See the latter two responses.

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Aren't we all? I thought that was the point of this site. t:

 

[Bruce Malone]

http://observer.com/2013/06/superba...ary-and-a-colossal-waste-of-talent-and-money/

Oh, that Rex Reed.

He’s no Brandon Routh in Superman Returns or Eric Bana in The Hulk. He’s from TV’s The Tudors, he looks like a Playgirl centerfold and he can probably act too, but you won’t find out here.

Wow when he's arguing the merits of routh and bana in the hulk over cavill that's hitting low...

This guy actually seems personally pissed off at the movie, strange.

 

[Sharkboy]

It is an interesting theory that because of something like Sucker Punch, Critics are more likely to paint everything he does in a certain way and emphasize percieved weaknesses more than any sort of strengths that he hasn't really displayed in previous movies. It would be similar to someone like PT Anderson were to make a really dumb movie and half the critics would try and pass it off as PTA being esoteric.

Or maybe it just really is what I feared the entire time and it's another big loud overstylised Zack Snyder film, it's an observation that only works after the film has been seen.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Upstaged in every scene by flying puppets and computer graphics, he’s at the mercy of cornball writing, indifferent directing and the shadow of pretentiousness cast over the proceedings from start to finish by Christopher Nolan. Mr. Nolan already ruined Batman.

Ohhhhhh....

 

[G.Godfrey]

http://observer.com/2013/06/superba...ary-and-a-colossal-waste-of-talent-and-money/

Oh, that Rex Reed.

Just what we need now. Another movie about Superman.

Mr. Nolan already ruined Batman.

hack director Zack Snyder

Are any of you going to tell me that this ´´person`` didn't go in full of prejudice, ready to hate the film and pick it apart? The sad part is that this ´´person`` is a top critic on RT. This is exactly the type of BS I said MOS will have to fight against. The entire review is filled with such nonsense. It's a disgrace really.

 

[Autonet]

Crazy how 2 people can see a film so differently.

Well if he considers

Spoiler

the Tornado scene to be powerful and moving, more power to him. His death could've been done better.

 

[Poeman]

Just look at this guy Rex Reed....
He's put himself in the center of controversy too...And obviously he looks strange

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/film-cri...-melissa-mccarthy--hippo--jibe-105522775.html

http://www.examiner.com/article/rex...-at-mike-molly-s-melissa-mccarthy-film-review

 

[Hammer!]

In his defense that "I think he's kind of hot" line is beyond lame. David Goyer WTF?

 

[slimshady247]

What a tool.

In his defense that "I think he's kind of hot line" is beyond lame. David Goyer WTF?

Meh, I was amused.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yeah...he's Rex Reed, I guess some of us Batfans forgot to warn about that guy.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

But the most common reasons cited are action over plot, which Watchmen proves wrong. Bad acting, which is bizarre because he managed to get a good performance out of Gerard Butler. Style over substance is a common idiom that is often regurgitated when discussing him as a director, but the fact that his films are stylish does not mean that the substance isn't there.

Snyder isn't an acting director. Even when his films have built in substance with good actors(Watchmen) he nullifies it. So yeah, his films end up having less substance and the style by default becomes more interesting. If you aren't invested when two characters are just on screen talking then of course the image of a man flying will leave a longer impression on your mind.

Singer has the same problem with romantic chemistry. The entire Wolvie/Jean/Cyclops triangle was inert. Same with Routh and Bosworth in Returns. Singer is just better at least bringing some interesting character acting.

 

[Str8 Rippin]

Ohhhhhh....

Haha, I stopped reading it there. Guess he likes the campy style of superhero movies.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah...he's Rex Reed, I guess some of us Batfans forgot to warn about that guy.

I wonder if Nolan did something to him in another life.

 

[Bruce Malone]

To be fair it seems Rex Reed particualary dislikes Chris Nolan and his films check out his TDKR review:

I had a lot more fun when he was fighting off Catwoman and The Joker at the Saturday afternoon double features of my youth in his campy bat cave with his jailbait roommate Robin. Drat! Christopher Nolan sent Bruce Wayne to a shrink and Batman lost his mojo.

http://observer.com/2012/07/the-dark-knight-rex-reed-christian-bale-michael-caine-christopher-nolan/

He actually gave it a worst review than MOS 1/4.

 

[slimshady247]

He doesn't sound like a very intelligent fellow.

 

[JAK®]

Snyder isn't an acting director.

Yes, he is. Jackie Earle Hayley as Rorshach. Patrick Wilson as Nite-Owl. Jeffrey Dean Morgan as The Comedian. Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan, in my opinion, deserved an oscar and that was mo-cap!

Even when his films have built in substance with good actors(Watchmen) he nullifies it.

How, exactly? Watchmen was poorly paced but each scene had the proper emotional weight that was required. A ton of detail was put into the world the film was set in, which is exactly what made the graphic novel so critically acclaimed. I haven't seen a single explanation on exactly how the substance wasn't there. Just that style apparently overwhelms it.

So yeah, his films end up having less substance and the style by default becomes more interesting. If you aren't invested when two characters are just on screen talking then of course the image of a man flying will leave a longer impression on your mind.

I was in awe every time Dr. Manhattan spoke. I didn't like Watchmen for the fight scenes, the dialogue was interesting enough.

 

[GreenKToo]

Lol. the overwhelming majority disagrees with him about nolan/batman, and so does it's BO.
now, who is the hack?
(And i'm not even a huge batman fan. c'mon fella, use a little common sense)

 

[Bruce Malone]

Praising Snyder for watchmen would be like praising someone for tracing over a great work of art. It was almost too close an adaptation to the book to a fault.

I'd say where snyder really shined in that movie was the one aspect not taken from the book the whole "times are a changin" montage at the begining which i thought was great.

 

[Sharkboy]

Praising Snyder for watchmen would be like praising someone for tracing over a great work of art. It was almost too close an adaptation to the book to a fault.

I'd say where snyder really shined in that movie was the one aspect not taken from the book the whole "times are a changin" montage at the begining which i thought was great.

This! a hundred times this.

 

[JAK®]

Praising Snyder in watchmen would be like praising someone for tracing a great work of art. It was almost too close an adaptation to the book to a fault.

I'd say where snyder really shined in that movie was the one aspect not taken from the book the whole "times are a changin" montage at the begining which it thought was great.

I don't see how. He still had to get good performances out of the actors and the scenes still need the required weight to be effective. Both of which were the case. As you said, the best parts are where he needed to embellish the material and sticking too closely to the book gave the film it's real, actual problem, which was the pacing.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I noticed the same thing. I'm not sure what to think. At the end of the day, I'm pretty confident I'll love the film, but my expectations have definitely gone down. Maybe that's a good thing.

Yeah, today has definitely shaken the boat a bit for me. Brought me back down to earth I guess.

 

[slimshady247]

So are more reviews going to start rolling in soon? Because RT still only has 40.

 

[DanSupKP37]

Just something I put together. Critics' Choice scores versus Rotten Tomatoes scores for various comic book adaptations (Iron Man 1,2, and 3; The Avengers; Batman Begins, the Dark Knight, and TDKR; Spiderman 3; Captain America: TFA; The Hulk and Incredible Hulk; Superman Returns; and Thor).

Clearly, a linear trend exists, but the correlation is fairly weak (the linear regression can only account for ~63% of the variance in the two data sets). That said, if we assume the Critics' Choice score will remain at 88/100 (as it has for several days now), then the linear model predicts a Rotten Tomatoes score of ~84%; that, in my opinion, is a fairly conservative estimate from the data, and the final RT score has an equal chance of being higher or lower than that.

Thought that might help some people calm their nerves.

I don't fully understand what you just said but I am intrigued and would like to subscribe to your newsletter..

 

[Tony Stark]

In his defense that "I think he's kind of hot" line is beyond lame. David Goyer WTF?

OK, you're talking about the guy who wrote and directed Blade Trinity. Goyer is a good writer when kept in check, but he's equally capable of writing pure crap.

And let's not pretend that all of the dialogue in The Dark Knight series was gold either. "NO DEAD COPS!"

 

[slimshady247]

OK, you're talking about the guy who wrote and directed Blade Trinity. Goyer is a good writer when kept in check, but he's equally capable of writing pure crap.

And let's not pretend that all of the dialogue in The Dark Knight series was gold either. "NO DEAD COPS!"

That line never bothered me, and is a terrible example.