TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 3

[Sharkboy]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

 

[danoyse]

The only review that counts is yours. Everyone, remember that.

Excellent words.

 

[Tony Stark]

Ive never understood why Roeper was given much credit as a reviewer, he was a columnist that watched a lot of movies until Gene Siskel passed and they started having people fill in. He made entertaining TV, but while I liked his columns I've never cared for his reviews.

I like him because at heart he's a fanboy. I remember when Fantastic Four came out, he gave it a bad review, but he did so because he talked about how the movie failed to live up to the genius that Stan Lee and Jack Kirby brought about in the comics. This isn't Rex Reed who simply reviews a film to blast it for daring to be a "mindless action comic book film". This is a guy who loves these movies, and wants to see them well done.

I don't always agree with him, as I mentioned, I liked Captain America and thought it was a good intro film for that character, despite it's flaws. But he is reasoned, and he doesn't hate films for the sake of hating them.

 

[slimshady247]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

Nope.

 

[Travesty]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

I don't think so. I think the lowest it went was around 85. Maybe it went a little lower, but not by much. And people were losing their minds with the 85%.

 

[J.Howlett]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

Rises was never in the 70's. But again, does it matter? Just watch it and form your own opinion, like these critics are. That's all you can do at the end of the day.

 

[Sharkboy]

Nope.

No? oh...nvm then. 70's it is.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Captain America SHOULD have stayed in the 70s :P

 

[Princess Denise]

^ It's also a blog post, and frankly, not particularly well-written. See post above

It is still glowing!

 

[BatSpider]

No? oh...nvm then. 70's it is.

No i believe it was in the 70's for about its first day only.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

It was at 83% after 41 reviews but went up after that.

 

[JangoNate]

Comparing Man of Steel's RT scores to movies like Superman Returns and Thor doesn't necessarily mean the one with higher percentage is better. Now hear me out, first.

Joker to Batman: "You changed things..."

The same could be said about the movie they were starring in. When a new comic movie comes along, there's an expectation that its going to present something fresh or move the genre forward. It's a big reason GL was slammed. It was a comic movie that seemed to ignore those strides and was treated almost like a Batman and Robin film that was too much camp and didn't go a little deeper or take the scenes it needed to seriously. So when it came out it already felt dated (many other issues with it, too, I know).

So my point is this: Man of Steel might have a good to great origin story, but critics have seen a ton of these over the years with comic book movies. BB caught their eye because it was a fresh and new take on Batman, and movies like Captain America and Thor might have went through the same familiar beats, but their characters were previously unseen in cinema. Man of Steel comes after all of this, including an acclaimed movie already about his origins, and even if it does a good job of achieving its goals, because its not something completely new or that pushes the genre forward, it comes across a bit stale to reviewers that have already seen similar stories in Batman, Thor, and CA. When Arkham Origins comes out later this year, it could be a perfect clone of Arkham City and have some great moments, but if it doesn't push the series forward, it's wont get ranked nearly as high.

That's my 2 cents. I hope my post isn't too confusing.

 

[Tra-El]

People act as though hundreds are counted. There's only 41, LAWLS. Keep it in perspective. After the release, I expect the GA will have a massive say in how this movie is perceived other than petty critics who want nothing more to Superman than rescuing kittens from trees.

 

[Musty002]

My fears are Zack Synder and David Goyer having total control on this film. Both have horrible records. Zack's last 3 films has been flops and he hasn't got a 75% or higher rating in RT his latest is one of the worst film of all time. Goyer isn't particulary great either his sole screenplay record apart Nolan being involved is a disaster 30% or lower in RT jumper, unborn, 2 ghost rider films, blade trinity, .. etc. By the way Nolan is only involved in the story process not screenplay because he is not credited in it and thats a major worry for me.

Looks like my worst fear is starting to become a reailty.

 

[GarudA]

The general public looks more at IMDB ratings then they do on RT. When I search for movies I always click on IMDB links and see the user ratings.

This why I believe that IMDB ratings are more important then RT as most people look at IMDB.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The most bizarre was Captain America. it started off in the low 60's and rose, gradually, rose until it settled slowly but surely in the high 70's.

 

[Sharkboy]

I can't wait for Mark Kermode's review on Friday, he's usually so reasonable when it comes to blockbusters and he's a huge Chris Nolan fan, but he really has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Zack Snyder's films (even to the point where he mockingly says his name in an high pitched american accent ) anyway he recently released a video that explained how he wasn't biased against Snyder and that he hoped that Snyder would prove him wrong with this film. So to me it would be quite telling to see if the film managed to sway a pretty smart and fair critic who has similar feelings towards Zack as I do.

 

[danoyse]

I just came back from seeing Star Trek Into Darkness at the IMAX (for the 3rd time). They showed the MOS trailer...but it was the one that said it was coming out next summer.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I still think it will end up in the 80's. Didn't TDKR dip into the 70 % territory?

I just can't really see it rising much at this point? All the major critics seem to have already given their verdicts.

The only thing left is really all the little blogs to give their pov's and to be honest they don't have the kind of sway/respect the more well known and respected critics do.

 

[MarvelU]

If Man of Steel can't go into the 80's again then the range for the final score will be between 68% - 78% IMO.

 

[Ozymandias]

Looks like my worst fear is starting to become a reailty.

As someone who has seen the movie, I can tell you -- at least in my opinion -- they're not. It was everything I wanted out of a serious and provoking Superman reboot.

 

[Sharkboy]

The most bizarre was Captain America. it started off in the low 60's and rose, gradually, rose until it settled slowly but surely in the high 70's.

I particularly loved the plunge of IM3 as potentially higher rated than Avengers to just barely above Iron Man 2. I loved the film...but it was glorious to behold people's reactions to that.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Comparing Man of Steel's RT scores to movies like Superman Returns and Thor doesn't necessarily mean the one with higher percentage is better. Now hear me out, first.

Joker to Batman: "You changed things..."

The same could be said about the movie they were starring in. When a new comic movie comes along, there's an expectation that its going to present something fresh or move the genre forward. It's a big reason GL was slammed. It was a comic movie that seemed to ignore those strides and was treated almost like a Batman and Robin film that was too much camp and didn't go a little deeper or take the scenes it needed to seriously. So when it came out it already felt dated (many other issues with it, too, I know).

So my point is this: Man of Steel might have a good to great origin story, but critics have seen a ton of these over the years with comic book movies. BB caught their eye because it was a fresh and new take on Batman, and movies like Captain America and Thor might have went through the same familiar beats, but their characters were previously unseen in cinema. Man of Steel comes after all of this, including an acclaimed movie already about his origins, and even if it does a good job of achieving its goals, because its not something completely new or that pushes the genre forward, it comes across a bit stale to reviewers that have already seen similar stories in Batman, Thor, and CA. When Arkham Origins comes out later this year, it could be a perfect clone of Arkham City and have some great moments, but if it doesn't push the series forward, it's wont get ranked nearly as high.

That's my 2 cents. I hope my post isn't too confusing.

I don't think most critics expect that from superhero movies. I bet they'd give a strong origin film good marks, even if it didn't push the genre forward. HOWEVER, with Superman, there's this internal somewhat narrow definition of who Superman should be, by people who don't read comics. I'm not saying there aren't more than a few legitimate reviews out there. However, I feel like GR would be bashed if he was Superman today for being an aggressive character within a somewhat gloomy crime-drama narrative.

That being said, MOS seems to be stacking up as an OKAY film. Not bad, not great, just enough to satisfy audiences until the sequel comes out.

I still think MOS has the better chance of making a STRONG sequel than SR. Also, if MOS is the worst in the trilogy, then maybe we can see a set of films that improve as they go.

 

[x5kevleo]

the only review that it mattered from me was roger ebert's unfortunately he passed away (don't forget he gave watchmen 4 stars). i really don't care about the other critics reviews i just goona sit down and enjoy the film for what it is.

sorry for the crappy english

 

[MarvelU]

I particularly loved the plunge of IM3 as potentially higher rated than Avengers to just barely above Iron Man 2. I loved the film...but it was glorious to behold people's reactions to that.

Yeah that was a huge drop, I remember the 93% score, but when checking it again a day later it fell to 73% or so. The fan reaction was indeed crazy.