TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 3

[Snark88]

If Man of Steel can't go into the 80's again then the range for the final score will be between 68% - 78% IMO.

I'm shooting for lower honestly. I'm predicting 55 - 69%.

 

[slimshady247]

I'm shooting for lower honestly. I'm predicting 55 - 69%.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yeah. Ebert tended to be GLOWING in his praise, but he came across as someone who didn't want to impress anybody, but just said his mind. If there's a strong sense of heart to this film, Ebert would have given it at least 3 stars

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Excellent words.

I just wish more here would believe this and not let other reviews bother them.

 

[Snark88]

Don't see how that's facepalm worthy, the RT rating is already a couple points away from 69. Yeah there are a lot more reviews to come, so we'll see.

 

[blumatic]

Well I realize this isn't what everyone had hoped but it is what it is. I normally agree with Roeper, and usually breath a sigh of relief when he gives a positive review. Now I disagreed with him on Captain America, so there's always hope. However what I'm more worried about is that what he wrote in his review is what I feared about the film going in. This film not only seemed like it was Rebooting Superman, but rebooting Superman 1 and 2. I never liked that Zod was chosen as the villain, I'd hoped that they'd go the Batman Begins route and have a villain that hadn't been previously used and focused more on Clark, and less on the villain, but instead Goyer, Snyder, Nolan, or whoever decided it was more important to go into the backstory of Zod and flesh him out. Honestly I could care less about Zod, there are way better Superman villains.

Now I haven't seen the film, so it's not fair for me to write a moratorium until I've seen it myself. But I am concerned for the negativity. But when so many people prop this stuff up like it's Cecil B. Demille's 10 Commandments, I have to put on the brakes and let people know this is a story about a guy who runs around in tights.

I signed up just to comment on this post. Choosing Zod is a Batman Begins route. Ras Al Ghul part in BB was that he was involved in the inception of Bruce's crime fightinh career. Thus creating an early history with Batman that will haunt Batman later.

In MOS, Zod is from Superman's home planet. Zod has a history with the house of El. Zod's involvement brings Krypton to Earth. I dont another character would help involve Superman confront in conflict with his Kryptonian heritage.

People complain about Zod reappearing again. But no one complains about the Joker appearing in every type of media for Batman. Batman 89, BTAS, TDK, the Arkhams etc.

My 2 cents.

 

[Astrodust]

This is the only review I care about.

Link

Yes. From what I can tell this film is awesome to some people and not so much to others. With such a broad response you won't know how you will like it till you see it. However I think people want the film to do well critically so that it will do big numbers at the box office as well.

 

[Tony Stark]

People act as though hundreds are counted. There's only 41, LAWLS. Keep it in perspective. After the release, I expect the GA will have a massive say in how this movie is perceived other than petty critics who want nothing more to Superman than rescuing kittens from trees.

It's the issue of the ratio of negative to positive reviews at this point in time. Dark Knight Rises at 87% had a total of 39 reviews out of 301 and IM3 at 78% had 59 out of 264. Look at it this way there's not 50 reviews yet and yet it's nearly 30% of the way to TDKR's total negative review count or 20% of the way to IM3's total negative count. Rex Reed, Richard Roeper, and the Forbes reviews, are all negative and they aren't even posted yet.

At this point I don't think the film stays in the 70's, and I'm just hoping it can get a fresh rating.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm shooting for lower honestly. I'm predicting 55 - 69%.

TBH, scores usually start out pretty high and drop off. Let's hope the UK reviewers and bloggers like this film

 

[redfirebird2008]

I just can't really see it rising much at this point?

It's not impossible. Recently, Star Trek 2 was at 78% after 18 reviews and ended up at 87% after 234 reviews.

 

[Snark88]

TBH, scores usually start out pretty high and drop off. Let's hope the UK reviewers and bloggers like this film

I'm keeping my hopes up for 2 things, and mind you i'm just copy and pasting a post I made on a different forum, so you'll see me repeating my RT prediction here:

1. Just like TDKR, Captain America, and Star Trek ID, all those films started with a mediocre score but then climbed up once most of the reviews rolled in. That could happen here, however given the things said in the reviews I don't think it will.

or...

2. Man of Steel will likely end up in the 55 - 69% range in my humble opinion. However hopefully this will be a case of audiences loving the hell out of it and not give a crap what critics say, and then MoS still makes serious bank at the box office. We've seen this before with Transformers or Twilight. Then from there I can only hope Zack and David take a lot of the criticisms to heart.

 

[NeoQuaker]

I'm beginning to realize that all these criticisms in the negative reviews are making me more excited to see it.

Not campy and bright like Donnerverse. Blasphemy!
Too Much Action! Too Serious! Too Dark!

Awesome! This is exaclty the movie I was hoping for!

 

[Tony Stark]

I signed up just to comment on this post. Choosing Zod is a Batman Begins route. Ras Al Ghul part in BB was that he was involved in the inception of Bruce's crime fightinh career. Thus creating an early history with Batman that will haunt Batman later.

In MOS, Zod is from Superman's home planet. Zod has a history with the house of El. Zod's involvement brings Krypton to Earth. I dont another character would help involve Superman confront in conflict with his Kryptonian heritage.

People complain about Zod reappearing again. But no one complains about the Joker appearing in every type of media for Batman. Batman 89, BTAS, TDK, the Arkhams etc.

My 2 cents.

People expect the Joker, and other than an easter egg at the end of Begins, he was not involved there.

Ra's and Scarecrow had not been used in a previous Batman film, which made it very original, and allowed the story to focus on Bruce.

Zod had been done before, so as I said, you're not just remaking Superman, you're remaking Superman 1 and 2.

 

[Princess Denise]

People act as though hundreds are counted. There's only 41, LAWLS. Keep it in perspective. After the release, I expect the GA will have a massive say in how this movie is perceived other than petty critics who want nothing more to Superman than rescuing kittens from trees.

A part of me does believe that critics are being unfairly harsh on MOS because of what they think Superman should represent. Rex Reed's review even mentioned how Superman is supposed to represent everything good and perhaps the grittier approach and the excessive amounts of violence in the film are just turning a lot of critics off. I do not think that most critics would hold other superheroes to the same high standard because they are not as embedded in the American consciousness as Superman is. It is hard to say because I have not seen MOS myself, but it is a possibility that there is an inherent bias at play. Also, I would not discount the possibility that a lot of critics are still emotionally tied to the Donner films and this is also skewing their perspective. And in this I can relate as no one loves the first two Superman films more than me and if I had seen MOS 10 years ago I probably would have had a hard time adjusting to this new version of Superman. However, since the disappointment of SR I have since let go of the Donner films and am completely open to any interpretation.

 

[danoyse]

I just wish more here would believe this and not let other reviews bother them.

Honestly. I haven't read a single review, and haven't been checking RT. I went out and saw Star Trek again instead.

And the talk on here hasn't made me any less excited to see it. I got a free Superman comic at B&N today, I'm going to re-watch Superman I-II (and maybe Returns) this week. I'm all set. t:

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I don't think fleshing Zod out counts as remaking Superman:TM. But you're right. In BB, people had an unexpected villain and a groundbreaking narrative structure. It looks like MOS has a less tight use of flashbacks, but I am hoping for better.

 

[Leenie]

Still going to see the movie on opening night, and the reviews don't mean a thing to me when it comes to Superman, whether it's from a critic or a fan.

Critics and fanboys praised Superman Returns initially ... And I absolutely hated it.

 

[Bran-El]

Yeah it's like if some of these critics rate SR so high, I'd hope they wouldn't like MOS. Obviously have no taste. lol

 

[Dragon_316ca]

Gabe Toro (RT critic) hates it: @GabeTheShogun

Superman Returns >>>>>>> Man of Steel.

"Man of Steel" is the worst thing to happen to Superman since the post-resurrection mullet of the 90's.

I cannot stress this enough - if you love drama-less fist-fights between invincible characters, you're in luck: that's half of Man of Steel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honestly. I haven't read a single review, and haven't been checking RT. I went out and saw Star Trek again instead.

And the talk on here hasn't made me any less excited to see it. I got a free Superman comic at B&N today, I'm going to re-watch Superman I-II (and maybe Returns) this week. I'm all set. t:

Took my mother too see IM3 yesterday (she really liked it). Totally forgot about the embargo until last night.

I haven't actually read a few, just the little blurbs on RT. My excitement hasn't changed. I still have my Wed marathon of DCAU Superman and my favorite Superman films ready to go. Whole family is ready for Thursday night. t:

 

[BatLobster]

I'm shocked Roeper was so harsh on it. His biggest criticism of it basically seemed to be that it was retelling the origin.

I still have a feeling this will divide critics way more than it divides the fanbase. Particularly the older critics. This is Superman for a new generation.

 

[blumatic]

People expect the Joker, and other than an easter egg at the end of Begins, he was not involved there.

Ra's and Scarecrow had not been used in a previous Batman film, which made it very original, and allowed the story to focus on Bruce.

Zod had been done before, so as I said, you're not just remaking Superman, you're remaking Superman 1 and 2.

I dont know. I thought Superman Returns was a remake of Superman 1.

MOS just has a different feel. The suits, the effects, the dialouge, and the purpose of Zod's attack on earth. Im not concerned with reusing characters especially ones that debuted on screen in the 70s.

As long as its a fresh new take with decades in between 1st appearances then its no problem. And the use of Zod has a purpose. Not just some cameo.

In SR it was the same characters, with the same exact villian, with the same exact plan and execution of said plan.

 

[Krumm]

Gabe Toro (RT critic) hates it: @GabeTheShogun

Never heard of him. He sounds made up.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'm beginning to realize that all these criticisms in the negative reviews are making me more excited to see it.

Not campy and bright like Donnerverse. Blasphemy!
Too Much Action! Too Serious! Too Dark!

Awesome! This is exaclty the movie I was hoping for!

This.

Everything they've considered "negative" I think is awesome.

 

[Hammer!]

I'm shocked Roeper was so harsh on it. His biggest criticism of it basically seemed to be that it was retelling the origin.

I still have a feeling this will divide critics way more than it divides the fanbase. Particularly the older critics. This is Superman for a new generation.

Way more similar to the MCU films than the Nolan Batfilms. Wouldn't be surprised if Nolanites are a little disappointed while MCU fans are pleasantly surprised.