TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[DanSupKP37]

Not true. It grossed almost $400 mil and had good legs considering the theatrical competition.

Yet the fans seem to hate it, WB openly expressed disappointment in it.. And it did not have much momentum for a sequel...

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I think the real question is, if a critic feels its rotten, why assign a relatively decent rating or grade to it?

 

[Marvin]

It sounds like Man of Steel tried to do everything that Superman Returns did wrong, but in the process it missed the mark on everything that film did right.

such as

 

[Poni_Boy]

That it probably, indefinitely, undoubtedly, most likely will not make RT?

Once again, Rt doesn't choose which reviews are posted. You have to apply, then be accepted as a critic for their site. Doesn't matter who you write for it only depends on the popularity of your site/blog/show and how often you review films.

 

[Marvin]

I think the real question is, if a critic feels its rotten, why assign a relatively decent rating or grade to it?

That way, everyone wins

 

[DanSupKP37]

Who should it be instead of the person that actually has the opinion?

There should be a cut off number or grade that makes it rotten or fresh.. You ever fail a college class with a B-?

 

[db85usa]

How on Earth do you ignore a user? I assumed it would be in the drop-down under the username.

I'll help you ignore me. UserCP>edit ignore list>type in name and voila!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yet the fans seem to hate it, WB openly expressed disappointment in it.. And it did not have much momentum for a sequel...

1) Fans are funny in that they will drastically change their opinion about a movie after years and years of debate and repeat viewings, while simultaneously forget how they felt about it the first time

2) WB was not openly disappointed in it at first

3) A sequel was greenlit and Singer was already writing the script

 

[db85usa]

Once again, Rt doesn't choose which reviews are posted. You have to apply, then be accepted as a critic for their site. Doesn't matter who you write for it only depends on the popularity of your site/blog/show and how often you review films.

I wonder how much I can get paid to bash anything that isn't Superman/Batman.

 

[Poni_Boy]

There should be a cut off number or grade that makes it rotten or fresh.. You ever fail a college class with a B-?

the rotten/Fresh rating isn't a grade. It's an endorsement. Yes, no. While I don't personally like it, it makes sense within the parameters they established.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

"Up" to 58% now.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

the rotten/Fresh rating isn't a grade. It's an endorsement. Yes, no. While I don't personally like it, it makes sense within the parameters they established.

Right. But if you didn't like or endorse a paper for school would you grade it a B-? Just seems strange to me.

 

[BaleISBatman4ev]

It sounds like Man of Steel tried to do everything that Superman Returns did wrong, but in the process it missed the mark on everything that film did right.

Brilliantly stated! Even though that movie was missing relevant action scenes and story choices it nailed some of the iconography of superman helped by the crutch of the donner-verse.

But when Routh's superman says "I have to go back" or when he flies up to re-charge in the sun... i cant help but get the chills even though im soooo bored by that film.


I hope MOS has those moments in spades but im afraid these reviews have my hope plunging for the potential of this film and waiting for what they pull out of the hot for the next one. Honestly based on how this is recieved by the GA they should consider having another screenwriter helping Goyer with dialogue and translating his great ideas into tangible scenes that flow with character that develop. A skill Nolan has and Goyer does not.

 

[regwec]

I wonder how much I can get paid to bash anything that isn't Superman/Batman.

Thankyou and, no, you're not the offender.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Right. But if you didn't like or endorse a paper for school would you grade it a B-? Just seems strange to me.

Sure. Ask any teacher who has had to grade a paper justifying Nazism. Just because you don't approve/endorse it doesn't mean you can't try to objectively grade it on a technical level.

 

[-JKR-]

This article sure is interesting in hindsight:

We're told by knowledgeable insiders the reason Warner Bros. picked Snyder for Man of Steel is that the script by David Goyer was rushed, is still a bit of a mess, and that Warner Bros. needs someone who won't spend months or even years trying to get it just right (i.e., Aronofsky), because time is the one thing they don't have: The studio must have a new Superman movie in production by 2011 or they'll be subject to potential lawsuits by the heirs of the superhero's creators.
We're told that Snyder was not really Warner's first choice to direct Superman, but that a director needed to be hired imminently. Privately, even Snyder has confided to agency sources that the current Superman script needs work, but clearly Warner Bros. believes he can get it done faster than Aronofsky.

http://www.vulture.com/2010/10/fox_offers_wolverine_2_to_aronofsky.html

That's why they should get a new writer & director for the sequel. They don't need to rush the sequel into production because of legal trouble.

 

[Stillsberry]

About to go watch, judge for myself. I'm almost as excited to see the movie, as I am to see which side of the fence I fall on. Wish me luck!

 

[db85usa]

Thankyou and, no, you're not the offender.

Thank danoyse for explaining to me too. I have yet to ignore someone yet. They have to do something very bad IMO to earn that. Like spit in my face. Which isn't even possible on here... right?

 

[Hammer!]

Three straight positive on RT, up to 58%. Went down a point on Metacritic to 54.

 

[db85usa]

About to go watch, judge for myself. I'm almost as excited to see the movie, as I am to see which side of the fence I fall on. Wish me luck!

Enjoy yourself!

 

[Visualiza]

I think Chastain's character was ridiculous. A lowly CIA operative who hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy wouldn't talk to her superiors that way consistently and get away with it. They were too preoccupied with making a strong female character that they forgot about the story the character had to operate within the confines of. Felt like bad 80s cop drama (i.e. surrender your badge stuff).

I wholeheartedly agree. This is especially jarring for me WRT military characters and the like, particularly when the film paints itself as being anything remotely authentic.

I also noticed your criticism earlier about the Army officer's comment about Superman. Almost chuckled at someone's attempt(and uninitiated, for that matter) to refute it, and I can certainly affirm that it wouldn't happen in today's military. Simply put, no officer worth his or her salt would ever make a comment like that under those circumstances. Ever. The damage to their credibility and career(an adverse fitness report wouldn't be out of the question) would make any of them think twice.

Maybe I'm biased in this respect, but I'd like it if more care were given to the portrayal of service members in films. I get it that they're an easy and rather effective plot device to fall back on(hive-minded oppressors/saviours), but in my nine years, I've met as many intelligent, independent thinkers in the military as I have anywhere else, be it government or the private sector. It's funny, because for as far out there as the premise was, Battle: Los Angeles gave me among the most authentic portrayals of the military I've ever personally seen in cinema; everything from conduct, to TTPs, and general demeanor, that movie managed to humanize the soldiers & airmen while still depicting the discipline and professionalism that they're known for. /rant, and sorry to derail, but your comments reminded me of this.

 

[db85usa]

Three straight positive on RT, up to 58%. Went down a point on Metacritic to 54.

I don't even wanna hear it... I wish there was a method to block keywords or symbols such as: RT, Rotten Tomatoes, %... include numbers, too.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

This article sure is interesting in hindsight:



http://www.vulture.com/2010/10/fox_offers_wolverine_2_to_aronofsky.html

That's why they should get a new writer & director for the sequel. They don't need to rush the sequel into production because of legal trouble.

I thought that lawsuit was over.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm not saying MOS ISN'T too serious, but this made me wince :I counted two jokes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-13/-man-of-steel-falls-flat-mick-jagger-s-angels-film.html

So now the superhero genre is reduced to JOKE counting by certain critics.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I thought that lawsuit was over.

Now it is but not at the time production started on it.