TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[Poni_Boy]

I dunno. If someone made a Batman movie where he walked around shooting people in the head with a large caliber handgun I'm sure many audience members would love it. But it would also definitely hurt the kinship others feel towards the character.

 

[Skrilla31]

I'm so disappointed in the reviews... I can't believe this is at 58% rotten on RT.

I have my tickets for tomorrow night at 9PM, so I'll just have to hope for the best.

But no matter what I have a feeling I'll be saying get rid of Goyer by the end of it.

Wait until you watch the movie for yourself. If after you've seen it and you still fell it's a bad film worthy of the criticism... then, you have my permission to cry.

Until then. Expect the best. I am.

 

[davejames]

I have to imagine this is coming as a huge surprise to Warners as well. From the early reviews and excited twitter reaction, you would have thought this movie would end up in the high 80s on RT.

Which is probably why they so quickly announced a sequel.

 

[Showtime]

Hello.

People With Negative Opinions - Are Welcome
People With Positive Opinions - Are Welcome

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

movie ratings in Rotten Tomatoes is are not gospel truth anyways, the scores in there are just a collection of basically opinions on a movie. the ratings in there are just for boasting if your favorite movie good a high rating and otherwise.

will you enjoy a movie with higher RT score even more compared to something they rated less? also does it mean movies in RT with higher ratings are factually better to movies with lower rating? same goes with the box office.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Hello.

People With Negative Opinions - Are Welcome
People With Positive Opinions - Are Welcome

Hi.

And thanks.

 

[C. Lee]

If you have nothing good to say then might as well say nothing at all. Because every post you seem to feel the need to bash the film like it kill you family or something worse.

Please take a moment and look at the top of the page...you will see these words TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6......that means people can review and discuss the movie in here.

 

[kingfalcon]

It's all good, dude. This mindset right here is the reason why Superman will always be second fiddle to Batman. His fanbase refuses to let go of their incarnation of him in their head and are close-minded to the character. Maybe the writers WERE right.

He's too one-dimensional and boring to be considered today's most popular hero and it starts with older fans who refuse to give Superman a back-bone.

It's obvious the split in fanbase when it comes to Supes. He simply can't win from any side of the coin. He's either TOO cheesy or TOO serious. There's no happy medium. Shame.

But that scene sounds like a complete character assassination of the character superman.

would batman/bruce wayne let the same thing happen?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yet was and is still considered one of the best comic books ever. Pretty much everywhere you see David Goyer's name, Batman Begins or The Dark Knight Trilogy isn't far off. He really has been using that to his advantage.

Well of course. You can't sell a movie with "From the writer of Blade Trinity, Ghost Rider and DaVinci's Demons" at the top of your resume

 

[FourteenthAngel]

Regardless, people clearly aren't seeing the effects of what people say on this forum.

 

[Anjow1060]

When people who haven't seen the film are disagreeing with reviews... I've never seen that on here before. It's a new one. I'm saddened, amused, and confused by it.

It's called ignorance. And it's a sad sad effect of an authoritative complex.

Well they are my opinions and I think you are a pretentious *****e bag who needs to find some meaning to his life. He calls me childish yet resorts using childish sarcasm to make himself look big and smart on a forum board with a bunch of people ready to slit their wrist over what RT says about a movie.

Cuz you are indeed acting like a child. Go tell mommy and daddy about your issues with us. We don't care.

I'm so disappointed in the reviews... I can't believe this is at 58% rotten on RT.

I have my tickets for tomorrow night at 9PM, so I'll just have to hope for the best.

But no matter what I have a feeling I'll be saying get rid of Goyer by the end of it.

I was hoping for the best too - and yes I blame Goyer for the most part for the failings of the film.

If you have nothing good to say then might as well say nothing at all. Because every post you seem to feel the need to bash the film like it kill you family or something worse.

You're another one about to go on the ignore list. I'm upset with the film because the buzz and the team behind it promised better than what it delivers.

Giving an opinion is alright. Forcing is down fellow board members throats is another. There is reason people don't have much faith in the film anymore. If everyone where you go people tell you it sucks.

I'm not forcing anything down a throat. Please, feel free to throw me on your "ignore list". It's a function of the boards for that reason. You can willfully remain ignorant of my brilliance and supreme insight.

I haven't seen that from Jow over the past few pages that I've read. This is not a critique-free forum...

Thank you.

- Jow

 

[Tra-El]

I made my way over to Superman Return's reviews and can't help but feel we're being duped. I disagree with basically ALL positive reviews there. I winced when a few claimed it "The best action-movie of the summer."

I think it's clear where I want Superman's direction to take. I'm all for a grittier Superman. Have been for 7 years, which is why I believe I'll love my experience tonight.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Regardless, people clearly aren't seeing the effects of what people say on this forum.

It isn't a forumgoers job to only say nice things so that the movie will succeed come hell-or-high-water. Who cares about the "effects" of a negative review? Its just an honest reaction.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well of course. You can't sell a movie with "From the writer of Blade Trinity, Ghost Rider and DaVinci's Demons" at the top of your resume

Or Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.E.I.L.D.

I'm sorry, but Chris Nolan made this guy look 10 times better than he has any right to. Goyer is a nice idea man, but he falls short when asked to execute said ideas.

 

[FourteenthAngel]

Please take a moment and look at the top of the page...you will see these words TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6......that means people can review and discuss the movie in here.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about people and their criticism. I am just saying that all this negativity isn't going to stop and people are lose their faith in the film. People are still going use RT as their second opionion as to go see the film on not. Too many have came into this film with such high expectations and to get this reception and obivioulsly going to crush them. I have already lowered my expectations for this film.

It isn't a forumgoers job to only say nice things so that the movie will succeed come hell-or-high-water. Who cares about the "effects" of a negative review? Its just an honest reaction.

It is a critic job to judge a movie on it own merits. Without any basis. Most critics just so happen to not fill this bill.

 

[Hero 1]

I dunno. If someone made a Batman movie where he walked around shooting people in the head with a large caliber handgun I'm sure many audience members would love it. But it would also definitely hurt the kinship others feel towards the character.

To be fair Batman killing, or allowing, anyone to die is an issue central to the character. Something the Nolan Batman films also neglected to account for when Batman allowed Ra's to die from his inaction to save him.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It isn't a forumgoers job to only say nice things so that the movie will succeed come hell-or-high-water. Who cares about the "effects" of a negative review? Its just an honest reaction.

Off topic: I hate your avatar, I've been marathoning Person of Interest and now I can't picture anyone else playing Batman ever again

 

[Tra-El]

But that scene sounds like a complete character assassination of the character superman.

would batman/bruce wayne let the same thing happen?

What may seem like a complete assassination of the character of Superman to where you grew up reading, just remember people are ready to see the character evolve into something new. It's time for Superman to be Superman and be allowed to make a mistake.

This won't change the comic-book side of things. This won't change other versions of film adaptions. It's okay. This is a NEW Superman. NO.STRINGS.ATTACHED. I sincerely hope that you can continue to get your Superman fix in other adaptions. The least you can do is give this a shot.

 

[robot]

57%... I guess everyone will now be hoping it won't go below 50... the line keeps being drawn lower, and lower...

3 more days for me...

 

[ThePhantasm]

It is a critic job to judge a movie on it own merits. Without any basis. Most critics just so happen to not fill this bill.

I don't know what you mean by "without any basis." I assume you mean "without any bias," which is completely impossible. Everyone is biased by their tastes and inclinations. Movie criticism is largely subjective.

That said... your response here totally dodged / ignored my point and instead went on an unrelated tangent.

 

[db85usa]

If you have nothing good to say then might as well say nothing at all. Because every post you seem to feel the need to bash the film like it kill you family or something worse.

The people that are not in agreement with MoS are entitled to their opinions whether you like it or not. That is a fact.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I am just saying that all this negativity isn't going to stop and people are lose their faith in the film.

So what?

 

[Vid Electricz]

It's all good, dude. This mindset right here is the reason why Superman will always be second fiddle to Batman. His fanbase refuses to let go of their incarnation of him in their head and are close-minded to the character. Maybe the writers WERE right.

He's too one-dimensional and boring to be considered today's most popular hero and it starts with older fans who refuse to give Superman a back-bone.

It's obvious the split in fanbase when it comes to Supes. He simply can't win from any side of the coin. He's either TOO cheesy or TOO serious. There's no happy medium. Shame.

Whoa. So if fans are unhappy/uncomfortable with a major change to a character, it's their fault and not the writers/director?

In the same breath, the writers/directors escape all blame trying to redefine/reshape the character into something new simply for the sake of presenting the character "differently" than he has been before? TASM suffered from many of these unecessary changes/alterations.

Sure, it can go either way, but saddling the fans/GA-who have become accustomed to seeing a character represented a certain way their whole lives-with the blame seems a little silly.

How much can you change the character of Superman and still expect people to recognize him as Superman? This goes for Spider-Man, Batman, etc...

 

[FourteenthAngel]

I'm not forcing anything down a throat. Please, feel free to throw me on your "ignore list". It's a function of the boards for that reason. You can willfully remain ignorant of my brilliance and supreme insight.

I'm not going to close my eyes to you. I read you review and I thought you brought some legitimate complaints but I can't help but say that sometimes you can come across as being overtly negative. I never said it was wrong to be entitled to your opinion. I happy that you do have one and your supporting it. Now I haven't seen the film but I just trying to keep hope alive. If I didn't have at least a thread of optimism left, I will be like you.

 

[Anjow1060]

Well like I was saying his opinion it is. Dont go into it with his opinion or you wont enjoy it. Hundreds of positive reviews say other wise to his opinion. Doesnt make him wrong but he is trying to convince people its bad instead of letting us decide for ourselves. You seem like a smart movie goer, dont let the negative reviewers or people on here control your decision.

Don't go into the movie with anyone's opinion - actually. I went in with none and neither should any of you. Form your own. Be an individual. Think and feel for yourself. Who the hell am I other than a film maker with insight who saw the movie a day early? I am entitled to my take, but that doesn't make it the definitive one.

There were negative opinions before I went into the film - But we're all discussing the film and while you and several others try to control the topic and mood of this thread, I willfully will offer up an alternative opinion. You're hyping up a movie you haven't even seen against several of us who HAVE seen it. I tried that standpoint against critics myself the other day and boy o boy was I wrong. I went on Twitter and personally apologized to several of them that I argued with like how you're arguing with us.

I am as humble as I am narcissistic. You, however, can't seem to come to terms with the fact that expectations needs to be lowered. Honestly - I'm only voicing my concern to aid other viewers to lower their expectations thereby enhancing their possibility to possibly enjoy the film more.

It's a lot easier to like a film knowing it's not perfect going in. I didn't have that luxury. Mainly because I chose to be ignorant of the critics. I heard about alllllllllllll the positive buzz pre-embargo and expected this flick to be in the mid to high 90's. And when it fell hard, I stubbornly refused to believe there was a chance it wasn't as good as I hoped. And I feel like yeah, maybe that hurt me a bit.

So chill out, please add me to your ignore list, and let's all move on.

- Jow