TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[Tra-El]

The people that are not in agreement with MoS are entitled to their opinions whether you like it or not. That is a fact.

Pretty much. When you get involved into something like this the way I have for the past YEARS, even before signing up to be along for the ride, it's clear why I hate politics. This experience just reminds me full of internet politic that could ruin a viewing experience. The art of enjoying your favorite character on the big screen for the sake of enjoying your favorite character is long gone in these types of communities.

That's why I'm happy these politics don't bother me. You hate it, you hate it. Me? I'm happy to see Supes on the big screen, a bad-ass take on the character I've been waiting for. It's as simple as that.

 

[danoyse]

I couldn't give a rat's ass about people and their criticism. I am just saying that all this negativity isn't going to stop and people are lose their faith in the film. People are still going use RT as their second opionion as to go see the film on not. Too many have came into this film with such high expectations and to get this reception and obivioulsly going to crush them. I have already lowered my expectations for this film.

You can't make opinions go away just because you don't agree with them. If you can't handle that, don't post here.

 

[crimsontide]

I don't think there's a conspiracy, but that doesn't mean individual critics don't push the Rotten button because of several factors - including how hyped the film is.

X-Men didn't really deal with anything serious. You can say it dealt with minorities, but it did it very differently in an unbelievable and popcorn fashion. I enjoyed the first two (actually liked most of Last Stand too).

But there always is a question for any viewer as to what their expectation were coming in. Just by reading the reviews themselves, you can tell the problem with most of the critics is the critics themselves - they had bad expectations.

Many of them wished Superman would quip more one liners and that's the reason why it got a lukewarm review. That the Robert Downey effect. But that's not Superman. If you want a Superman movie with zingers then you're setting yourself up to not enjoy it.

Too much action? Avengers didn't have too much? If you didn't criticize Avengers for action a year ago then you're being inconsistent as a critic. Maybe because Avengers didn't ask them to deal with more serious subject matter?

But I saw similar things with some of the lukewarm reviews of Into Darkness too. Those alleged "plot holes" that many critics attacked were not plot holes at all. Indeed, if you actually pay attention to the movie, you understand where it's coming from.

I just find it funny that a lot of these critics get paid for their opinions, even though their opinions are often out of line with a lot of the public at large. Shouldn't they care more about how the public will view the film than the lens they see it through?

There's a combination of things at work here. Superhero fatigue - maybe a bit. Marketing fatigue - probably wouldn't surprise me if some critics lash out because of the marketing effort. Dislike of movies that try to make superheroes relatable (again, Batman is not super).

Yet this is all imposing the critic's outside perspective on the review instead of letting the movie speak for itself. And it doesn't just go for Man Of Steel. You may find critics that may agree with a film's political outlook call it fresh while they knock down one they disagree with. But do those political opinions matter inside the film? I know I can watch a film and enjoy it even if it may portray something I disagree with because I can separate my opinions from the film and enjoy it on its own merits.

A lot of these critics cannot.

Excellent post.

Speaking of political opinions.... a few of the negative reviewers seem to be a little put out about all the religious symbolism that is apparently in this movie.

Could this possibly be the nail in the coffin for some of the critics who are predisposed not to like the movie?

 

[kalhawj]

Guys stop it... we will get a sequel and MOS will make it's money. I have a feeling MOS 2 will be the movie that Critic will rave about. This move is to establish Superman to the modern GA. At this point who cares about the critics review. It will be a BO $ making movie. May not be like by Critics but I'm sure the GA will love it and the BO# will speak for itself.

 

[Anjow1060]

I made my way over to Superman Return's reviews and can't help but feel we're being duped. I disagree with basically ALL positive reviews there. I winced when a few claimed it "The best action-movie of the summer."

I think it's clear where I want Superman's direction to take. I'm all for a grittier Superman. Have been for 7 years, which is why I believe I'll love my experience tonight.

The realism is not the concern, the lack of character is. And no, I'm not talking about the big blue boyscout specifically (that is there in faint shades). What the problem is the very transparent weak amount of character within Clark / Supes alltogether.

- Jow

 

[C. Lee]

I couldn't give a rat's ass about people and their criticism. I am just saying that all this negativity isn't going to stop and people are lose their faith in the film. People are still going use RT as their second opionion as to go see the film on not. Too many have came into this film with such high expectations and to get this reception and obivioulsly going to crush them. I have already lowered my expectations for this film.

That's your problem to deal with. My expectations are mine. If I want to see a film, I go to it. Whether I am disappointed or overjoyed after seeing it depends upon what I watch....not what someone on a site rates it. One of my favorite movies the last couple of years is JOHN CARTER.....if I had listened to what people were saying before it was released I would never had seen it (It's a good thing I never listen to those type of people....was wanting to see a movie on that character since I first read the books in 1972).

 

[ThePhantasm]

Don't go into the movie with anyone's opinion - actually. I went in with none and neither should any of you. Form your own. Be an individual. Think and feel for yourself.

Exactly. The world is not going to end because some guy on the internet didn't like a film that you haven't seen yet.

I respect and am interested in Jow's opinion, but I haven't seen the film yet so I have no idea whether I'll agree or not. I have my own tastes and things that I look for in a film - so I always try to go in with an open mind.

 

[Tra-El]

Whoa. So if fans are unhappy/uncomfortable with a major change to a character, it's their fault and not the writers/director?

In the same breath, the writers/directors escape all blame trying to redefine/reshape the character into something new simply for the sake of presenting the character "differently" than he has been before? TASM suffered from many of these unecessary changes/alterations.

Sure, it can go either way, but saddling the fans/GA-who have become accustomed to seeing a character represented a certain way their whole lives-with the blame seems a little silly.

How much can you change the character of Superman and still expect people to recognize him as Superman? This goes for Spider-Man, Batman, etc...

It's nobodies fault, AT ALL. All I'm saying, is I love Superman to the point to where I allow welcomed changes for the character to evolve into something different. Not all fans are like me, I get it. You'll get that with a PASSIONATE fanbase with an ICONIC character that's been around for 75 years. It's all good for me. I'm excited for tonight. Enjoyed all of this!

 

[FourteenthAngel]

So what?

No one wants to in a negative environment. And it disheartening to hear people go back and forth about it. Trust me, I really not against you.

The people that are not in agreement with MoS are entitled to their opinions whether you like it or not. That is a fact.

As I said before, I really don't care if your own opinion. Props to anyone that does.

 

[stillanerd]

Everyone keeps saying this, but that's far from the truth. They just want a great movie and didn't get it. Of course they'll compare it to the older movies, but that doesn't mean they are pining for it. STM was a better film.

Oh, of course they want a good film. They also want a film that tries something new with established comic book characters, like Christopher Nolan's Batman films did. That was one of the complaints about Superman Returns in that Bryan Singer made a film that was too much of a homage to the Richard Donner Superman films rather than his own thing. But then along comes this film and the reaction is mostly "Wait a minute! Where's the Superman I know and love?" They're essentially citing that the tone of this film doesn't exactly fit with what they have come to associate with Superman (not to mention most of the reviews I've seen are complaining more about David Goyer's script than anything else). In short, this seems to be shaping up into one of those instances of "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

It's the same excuse over and over and over and over ad naseum. Still haven't seen any proof of this.

Well, there is one particular instance cited the rather spoiler-filled review on Wired that seems to offer some evidence of this.

 

[Vid Electricz]

What may seem like a complete assassination of the character of Superman to where you grew up reading, just remember people are ready to see the character evolve into something new. It's time for Superman to be Superman and be allowed to make a mistake.

This won't change the comic-book side of things. This won't change other versions of film adaptions. It's okay. This is a NEW Superman. NO.STRINGS.ATTACHED. I sincerely hope that you can continue to get your Superman fix in other adaptions. The least you can do is give this a shot.

Yes, but is it true character evolution/progression, or is it change for the sake of change?

You're placing all the blame on the audience for not immediately accepting drastic alterations to the character (whether they be good or bad).

 

[Tra-El]

The realism is not the concern, the lack of character is. And no, I'm not talking about the big blue boyscout specifically (that is there in faint shades). What the problem is the very transparent weak amount of character within Clark / Supes alltogether.

- Jow

Understandable and I'll be aware of it. We'll see if it resonates different with me. I feel every Superman fan is going to see things WAY, WAY different.

 

[ThePhantasm]

No one wants to in a negative environment. And it disheartening to hear people go back and forth about it. Trust me, I really not against you.

Then as danoyse said, don't stay here. Leave if it bothers you that much. If ya can't take the heat, don't stay in the kitchen.

I don't understand why you are disheartened by this stuff, honestly. There are a lot of unpopular films I love and I get along just fine, secure with my likes and dislikes.

 

[davejames]

Jeez. The lower the grade goes, the more intense it seems to get in here.

 

[Donar]

LOL at the reviews for this movie.
Can it reach GL's score on RT?

 

[regwec]

Down another notch to 57%.

I am going to lever out my F5 key with a screwdriver.

 

[FourteenthAngel]

Now I am not trying to get anyone to go against me here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. I am not trying to crucify anyone who has and supports theirs. I really don't care if so and so hates the film or not. I like to judge a film with own eyes. If the negativity won't go away then so be it. I will be real for now on.

Then as danoyse said, don't stay here. Leave if it bothers you that much. If ya can't take the heat, don't stay in the kitchen.

I don't understand why you are disheartened by this stuff, honestly. There are a lot of unpopular films I love and I get along just fine, secure with my likes and dislikes.

I welcome the heat. I enjoy hearing other people opinions on the film. I like discussing things.

 

[Travesty]

But the real question is: will it go lower than Hatchet 3?

 

[danoyse]

That's your problem to deal with. My expectations are mine. If I want to see a film, I go to it. Whether I am disappointed or overjoyed after seeing it depends upon what I watch....not what someone on a site rates it. One of my favorite movies the last couple of years is JOHN CARTER.....if I had listened to what people were saying before it was released I would never had seen it (It's a good thing I never listen to those type of people....was wanting to see a movie on that character since I first read the books in 1972).

My favorite movie this year was Star Trek Into Darkness, which has had virtually every blogger in screaming-into-the-heavens conniptions for weeks now.

But screw them. I loved the movie. Saw it 3 times. Everyone I know outside internet-bizarro-world has loved it, and a few of them have been Star Trek fans since the original series first aired.

You make up your own mind. Worst thing you can do is let someone else decide that for you.

(my dad loved John Carter too)

 

[Anjow1060]

Off topic: I hate your avatar, I've been marathoning Person of Interest and now I can't picture anyone else playing Batman ever again

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS. Team Caviezal DAMMIT!

I couldn't give a rat's ass about people and their criticism. I am just saying that all this negativity isn't going to stop and people are lose their faith in the film. People are still going use RT as their second opionion as to go see the film on not. Too many have came into this film with such high expectations and to get this reception and obivioulsly going to crush them. I have already lowered my expectations for this film.
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If I have the power to crush your hope with words on a message board - you seriously need to reevaluate you ability to think and hope independently.

I'm not going to close my eyes to you. I read you review and I thought you brought some legitimate complaints but I can't help but say that sometimes you can come across as being overtly negative. I never said it was wrong to be entitled to your opinion. I happy that you do have one and your supporting it. Now I haven't seen the film but I just trying to keep hope alive. If I didn't have at least a thread of optimism left, I will be like you.

I've seen the film. Hope is irrelevant to me at this point sans my hope that the sequel slows down and focuses on the character more than it does the action. That's where my hope lies. I can't hope a movie will be different that I've already seen..... although that being said -- I'm leaving work in 20 minutes to see it again and yes, I'm hoping the 2nd viewing will alter my POV at least some towards more positive things outside of Lois, Pa Kent, and Jor-El.

That's your problem to deal with. My expectations are mine. If I want to see a film, I go to it. Whether I am disappointed or overjoyed after seeing it depends upon what I watch....not what someone on a site rates it. One of my favorite movies the last couple of years is JOHN CARTER.....if I had listened to what people were saying before it was released I would never had seen it (It's a good thing I never listen to those type of people....was wanting to see a movie on that character since I first read the books in 1972).

Same here with Speed Racer. I was DRAGGED kicking and screaming to that movie and enjoy the crap out of it.

Exactly. The world is not going to end because some guy on the internet didn't like a film that you haven't seen yet.

I respect and am interested in Jow's opinion, but I haven't seen the film yet so I have no idea whether I'll agree or not. I have my own tastes and things that I look for in a film - so I always try to go in with an open mind.

Phantasm - we need to be friends in real life. So ready to be independent and yet so level headed about it. My kinda people. *internet high five*

- Jow

 

[Poni_Boy]

This parody is essentially how I feel about Snyder's take on Superman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KfHEoZDKI

All the elements that make the character who he is are there, it's the way they're used that doesn't ring true

 

[db85usa]

Now I am not trying to get anyone to go against me here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. I am not trying to crucify anyone who has and supports theirs. I really don't care if so and so hates the film or not. I like to judge a film with own eyes. If the negativity won't go away then so be it. I will be real for now on.



I welcome the heat. I enjoy hearing other people opinions on the film. I like discussing things.

Nolan, Goyer, Snyder? Is that you?

 

[Tra-El]

Yes, but is it true character evolution/progression, or is it change for the sake of change?

You're placing all the blame on the audience for not immediately accepting drastic alterations to the character (whether they be good or bad).

Superman has been around for 75 years. He's a comic book adapted presence. There's been hundreds on top of hundreds of comic books ranging from each era to where it's impossible to know his entire back-story word for word. There isn't one take on Superman. There isn't one way. There's been plenty of character personalty shifts and each era has them with hundreds of different writers.

The fans simply remember their favorite incarnation of Superman, and claim it to be the ONLY way when in reality, it isn't. It's a close-minded approach that hurts the character in new adaptions such as Man of Steel.

As for the big spoiler mentioned, to me, Superman isn't about making the right decisions ALL the time because he simply, can't. It's how he responds to big decisions or maybe mistakes that make him Superman to me. There's more to him than meets the eye.

Some fans should really allow change to their favorite adaption and enjoy the story of what makes him tick rather than being upset with a decision made that doesn't connect with their view of a 75 year old character.

As I said, it's easy for me to say. I look at Supes to where I'm OPEN to the fact to add different dimensions to the character and be open minded. He'll always be Superman at the core no matter what but I don't expect EVERY action to be flawless.

 

[C. Lee]

My favorite movie this year was Star Trek Into Darkness, which has had virtually every blogger in screaming-into-the-heavens conniptions for weeks now.

But screw them. I loved the movie. Saw it 3 times. Everyone I know outside internet-bizarro-world has loved it, and a few of them have been Star Trek fans since the original series first aired.

You make up your own mind. Worst thing you can do is let someone else decide that for you.

(my dad loved John Carter too)

I loved the latest Star Trek movie too...only been able to see it twice so far....and I was there in the 60's for the original run. I've yet to understand this obsession some have with Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[Travesty]

This parody is essentially how I feel about Snyder's take on Superman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KfHEoZDKI

All the elements that make the character who he is are there, it's the way they're used that doesn't ring true

That was perfect.