TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 6

[db85usa]

Man, I'd love to know who you ignored.

Could it be the Negative Nancy who hasn't let up about how bad MOS is for the past 2 days?

That's who I was guessing too, lol.

 

[Jim-El]

What's your reaction going to be if you're right?

I will be ecstatic and of course say I told you so!!...

Lol. If you really are predicting an opening weekend like that, then you, my friend, are insane and I can't hold it against you.

I agree with the insane description...

 

[danoyse]

You know, I apologize in advanced if i'm about to offend anyone, but i'm getting REALLY sick and tired of seeing critics complain about falling buildings reminding them of 9/11. I mean seriously, it's been 12 years, are we not over that already? Yes it was an awful and tragic point in our country's history, but nobody had a problem seeing building in cities getting destroyed in movies until that event happened.

When I ask whether or not we're over 9/11 already, i'm not saying we should forget about it. But i'm saying people shouldn't be getting offended every time a tragic moment happens in a film that's similar to a tragic moment in real life. Especially when that event was more than a decade ago. It's called life.

OK, I get the point you're trying to make, but...

...yeah, it's still hard to see buildings get destroyed and not think of 9/11 for a lot of us. I was in NYC that day, I saw that whole thing happen, and I can assure you that I'll never be able to see a building get destroyed in a movie without thinking of it again.

That doesn't mean I won't watch mass destruction in movies. I loved The Avengers, and parts of that battle scene were filmed a few blocks from where I was working at the time. I can't think of a time where I've avoided a movie because of it.

But you just understand it better - not just an explosion, but the fear and loss of life that comes with it. If something in a movie invokes that imagery, it's not hard for someone to bring it up because it'll always be with you.

I wish I could leave it behind, but it's not all that easy to do.

Just keep that in mind if someone brings it up.

 

[db85usa]

The only NON-3D IMAX (15/70) showing near me is at 1 pm. I guess that will work.

Looks like the MoS IMAX screenings in the Boston/Providence area are all reserving the first viewing of the day for non-3D (12:30, 1:00, etc). Better than nothing I guess. Might even settle for the Regal knockoff RPX, as there are more times available in 2D.

Fan or not, sorry for your loss last night

 

[Poni_Boy]

You know, I apologize in advanced if i'm about to offend anyone, but i'm getting REALLY sick and tired of seeing critics complain about falling buildings reminding them of 9/11. I mean seriously, it's been 12 years, are we not over that already? Yes it was an awful and tragic point in our country's history, but nobody had a problem seeing building in cities getting destroyed in movies until that event happened.

When I ask whether or not we're over 9/11 already, i'm not saying we should forget about it. But i'm saying people shouldn't be getting offended every time a tragic moment happens in a film that's similar to a tragic moment in real life. Especially when that event was more than a decade ago. It's called life.

I agree with your sentiment completely but I think saying "it's called life" and "it's been 12 years, are we not over that already?" is a callous way of looking at it. It's the critics who seem to allude to 9/11 symbolism, and I'm pretty sure none/little of them were closely affected by it.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

thanks lol i think. it was as encouraging a loss as possible so I'm not bummed out. a sweep wouldve been nice, but I, and most of the local media, expected a long series. epic game though. the hardcore hockey fans got their money's worth.

 

[db85usa]

thanks lol i think. it was as encouraging a loss as possible so I'm not bummed out. a sweep wouldve been nice, but I, and most of the local media, expected a long series. epic game though. the hardcore hockey fans got their money's worth.

Been waiting a lonnng time for an original six SC Final game 1 didn't disappoint that's for sure!

 

[Snark88]

I'm basing this on absolutely nothing, but my guess is that the movie needs to make 700 million for a sequel to be guaranteed, 600 million for it to be probable, and 500 for it to be possible. I consider this to be a conservative (lowball) guess.

I assume everyone knows that the announcement made by WB that a sequel has been green-lit means jack squat at this point. Yes? Ok, good.

No chance whatsoever that it's making 700 million at this point. I think 500 million is the highest it can hope to achieve at this point.

 

[db85usa]

You know, I apologize in advanced if i'm about to offend anyone, but i'm getting REALLY sick and tired of seeing critics complain about falling buildings reminding them of 9/11. I mean seriously, it's been 12 years, are we not over that already? Yes it was an awful and tragic point in our country's history, but nobody had a problem seeing building in cities getting destroyed in movies until that event happened.

When I ask whether or not we're over 9/11 already, i'm not saying we should forget about it. But i'm saying people shouldn't be getting offended every time a tragic moment happens in a film that's similar to a tragic moment in real life. Especially when that event was more than a decade ago. It's called life.

Touchy subject. Similar to some other things that happened in MoS. Can't really say without providing spoilers... But there are those who are complaining about other things aside from just the destruction alone.

 

[Snark88]

OK, I get the point you're trying to make, but...

...yeah, it's still hard to see buildings get destroyed and not think of 9/11 for a lot of us. I was in NYC that day, I saw that whole thing happen, and I can assure you that I'll never be able to see a building get destroyed in a movie without thinking of it again.

That doesn't mean I won't watch mass destruction in movies. I loved The Avengers, and parts of that battle scene were filmed a few blocks from where I was working at the time. I can't think of a time where I've avoided a movie because of it.

But you just understand it better - not just an explosion, but the fear and loss of life that comes with it. If something in a movie invokes that imagery, it's not hard for someone to bring it up because it'll always be with you.

I wish I could leave it behind, but it's not all that easy to do.

Just keep that in mind if someone brings it up.

I think that's fair, but it's getting tiring seeing people even bring it up in the first place, even if it did evoke images to them.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

people need to seriously grow a pair

yeah, what happened in 9/11 sucks but it shouldn't affect the way we watch movies

 

[db85usa]

No chance whatsoever that it's making 700 million at this point. I think 500 million is the highest it can hope to achieve at this point.

Worldwide? I don't think so. Not when HSX is tracking at close to $300 Million DOM, $110 mil-$112 mil OW, with MTC tracking at $87 mil and RS is at $140 mil OW. In other words, this movie is going to make bank. No one knows how much. The fact that the Philippines just set the highest opening day gross for a film ever in their country, the OS turnout should be encouraging.

*edit* but you know this because you follow the BO thread here

 

[Snark88]

Ok I realize it's the reviewer that decides whether or not a film gets a Fresh or Rotten rating on RT, but if you give a film at least a C then you should be giving it a Fresh. That goes double for the people giving it a 3/4 or a B- and giving it a Rotten. That to me says that they're saying you shouldn't go see a movie unless it's a flat out great movie, which is kinda BS logic.

 

[slimshady247]

Are there a lot more positive reviews out there? Because RT just added a bunch of negatives.

 

[danoyse]

I think that's fair, but it's getting tiring seeing people even bring it up in the first place, even if it did evoke images to them.

Well, then...that's too bad. Trust me, we wish we didn't have be reminded of it either. But when something does, and there's a reason to mention that it did, it's inevitably going to get mentioned.

I know a lot of NYers that were unnerved by the bridges getting blown up in TDKR. Didn't stop anyone from seeing the movie, but it was a little too uncomfortable to watch for some.

 

[Jim-El]

Oh NOOOOOOOOO.....It's down to 58%!!!! Where is the nearest ledge??

 

[The Shape]

But you just understand it better - not just an explosion, but the fear and loss of life that comes with it. If something in a movie invokes that imagery, it's not hard for someone to bring it up because it'll always be with you.

I wish I could leave it behind, but it's not all that easy to do.

Just keep that in mind if someone brings it up.

The simple fact of the matter is that art imitates life, and despite what some may say or believe, it's rarely the other way around. There are all different kinds of tragedies that affect human beings on a personal level, whether it be terminal illness, drug use, terrorism, or murder. On one of my best friends, a beautiful 21-year-old girl, was recently shot and killed accidentally by a police officer during a home invasion in which the officer fired 8 shots at the criminal who was using my friend as a human shield. One of those bullets hit my friend in the head.

This was one of the most personal tragedies I have ever faced, and it has been a tough summer because of it. However, isn't that a scenario you've seen in films maybe dozens of times? Maybe with different, less tragic outcomes, but similar nonetheless. Will I think of what happened when I see someone's head blown off in movies from now on? Maybe. Sometimes. But I'll never hold it against a film for having imagery that hits close to home for me. It's only natural. It's going to happen.

So, I do understand the compassion for what happened on 9/11, especially for those personally affected by that monstrous tragedy. But I think it's a little unfair to harp on it when it comes to certain film imagery or bring it up as a negative aspect of Man of Steel, especially since we're talking about super-powered beings punching each other across a city and alien spacecrafts leveling buildings. It wasn't an issue when watching Independence Day (since nothing like 9/11 had happened yet), and it shouldn't be in issue forever. When we frown upon this type of destruction in huge sci-fi epics like MOS and Star Trek ID, the terrorists have accomplished part of their goal, IMO. Fear and discomfort.

 

[Kansiov]

No chance whatsoever that it's making 700 million at this point. I think 500 million is the highest it can hope to achieve at this point.

Reviews don't matter much when it comes to big blockbusters. This is Superman we're talking about here after all.

 

[slimshady247]

Oh NOOOOOOOOO.....It's down to 58%!!!! Where is the nearest ledge??

Haha. Well, I'm of the hope it'll go back up. Just for fun. We've still got, what, another 60ish reviews?

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I just read a negative review saying that the movie had "characters prone to uttering speeches in lieu of actual conversations." And I say: "GOYEEEEER!!!"

 

[slimshady247]

Down to 57%.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Oh NOOOOOOOOO.....It's down to 58%!!!! Where is the nearest ledge??

Do a flip. t:

 

[db85usa]

Ok I realize it's the reviewer that decides whether or not a film gets a Fresh or Rotten rating on RT, but if you give a film at least a C then you should be giving it a Fresh. That goes double for the people giving it a 3/4 or a B- and giving it a Rotten. That to me says that they're saying you shouldn't go see a movie unless it's a flat out great movie, which is kinda BS logic.

Tracking is done regardless of reviews up to a point. It is based on many factors. Too many to go into detail on here. This could be a case where the GA will go see this movie in droves no matter what. Not you, not me, and not some paid critic will be able to tell them otherwise. I know plenty of people who disregard critic reviews and I'd be willing to bet there are tons more people out in the world who do the same.

How many films out there are critically acclaimed but hated by the audience? There are a lot of them out there.

 

[Jim-El]

Haha. Well, I'm of the hope it'll go back up. Just for fun. We've still got, what, another 60ish reviews?

Just know that was said in sarcasm... The only review I care about is my own. I know trailers don't make a movie, but from what I have seen, I love the various tones.

 

[danoyse]

people need to seriously grow a pair

yeah, what happened in 9/11 sucks but it shouldn't affect the way we watch movies