TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 7

When he suits up and starts to realise what he's capable of, hell yeah he's loving it - but he didn't know a group of genocidal Kryptonian warriors were just about to try and kill everyone on the planet... damn you Superman for not enjoying yourself during that! :whatever:
This is a origin story, which effectively deals with Clark realising who he is and what he's capapble of, after years of being told to repress it. The film ends with Clark clearly positive about who he is, and sets up sequels nicely.

Missing the point. I didn't say he should have smiled his way through the rest of the film.
But what the way the movie played out, he didn't truly become "Superman" until he killed Zod. Whereas, if he had kept a more uplifting "everything's going to be ok, I'm here" attitude with the military, civilians and whoever else he isn't duking it out with from when he donned the suit it would have allowed much more levity and breathing room for the film. Instead it's just Clark in a Superman suit, and it takes him killing the bad guy for him to turn into Superman.

Mod edit: Use some sense and spoiler tags next time. The movie has only been out a couple of days.
 
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Agreed... I was only thinking that with a good script, and IF snyder can follow it well, it would be great..

And TOTALLY agreed... Spielberg/Cameron would be great! They know how to make magic...
maybe 10 years ago
 
Disagree.....it definitely felt like a Nolan film to me and certainly not as optimistic at TAS. I didn't have problem with tone of impending doom (that was kind of exciting) but characterization of Clark is too jaded/aloof/arrogant and bit nonchalant....not optimistic. I think they did good job building up the challenge Zod provides, but I didn't walk out of theater excited about our new Superman's adventure in sequel. They would pretty much have to retconn or ignore plot points/characterization with new director/writer for me to care.

Of course he didn't start out optimistic, though I believe his trust of the general at the end (and asking for mutual trust) is leading toward that.

Does Superman just start out optimistic? Does he start out fully confident in being a hero? There's a story in how he actually gets to that place. This film was just the beginning. And he certainly was more trusting than Bruce was.

I felt that Clark did get more optimistic as the film progressed. It's always worth remembering that we're not getting a fully formed Superman here, just like we didn't get a fully formed Batman.
 
I was quite scared with the Rotten Tomatoes score but now my mind is at ease now when I saw the 8.4/10(beating The Avengers by 0.1!!!) on imdb. More people take that site more seriously.

Earlier this year I've said to my friends, who btw are more into Marvel and the only DC character they're into is of course Batman *sigh*(I'm a balanced person I like all heroes from both Marvel and DC), that Man of Steel looks like the most epic movie of 2013, they shook their heads and disagreed saying *insert reasons why Superman sucks blah blah blah* or "Superman beat Goku, he sucks" etc etc or that his trailers looks so boring. Then as the new trailers came out particularly Trailer 3 where we first hear "Ideal of Hope"(one of my favourite orchestral pieces by Zimmer by far), their jaws dropped and I just grinned.

With those Rotten Tomatoes scores I was afraid that they would be saying "I told you so" in my face again or even worse fear for the Justice League movie's development status, but I guess now my mind can be at ease a bit seeing that imdb gave it a more worthy score. Now all we need now is for it to make enough at the box office.
 
Eh. "I'll help you but only on my terms" is a bad way to showcase mutual trust IMO
 
I can't see how anybody could give no credence to rotten tomatoes and then give some to IMDB. IMDB is full on nonsensical reviews with either agendas or plain slander bordering on vandalism. make your own mind up and don't lower yourself to using RT or IMDB or other movies or other companies as it belittles your point
 
Right....
I was one of the lucky ones who got to witness Superman the movie on it's original release at the cinema, that night my life changed, I believed a man could fly and I believed in heroes.
Fast forward quite a few years to me leaving the cinema after watching Superman returns...
I pretty much felt they'd killed Superman that night.
And then we come to last night, Man of steel.

I was nervous before the screening, I was pretty sure that if this version of Superman failed then I was probably going to wait a long, long time before seeing Superman fly on our cinema screens again... Within a few minutes of watching the movie I knew I was watching something very special.

Man of steel is a triumph. is it perfect? No. Pretty damn close tho.
Not too long ago I was one of Henry Cavills biggest doubters, I didn't understand the way people here and on other sites all praised him, demanding he be our new man of steel.. I just didn't get it.
However, I was wrong. Dead wrong. Cavill was amazing as Superman, He acted the role well, he looked the part beter than ANY Superman before him, yes even Reeve.
I do have to say that there were moments when there was a Reeve like quality about Cavill, but at no point was Cavill trying to be Reeve.. Perhaps both Reeve and Cavill both embodied what Superman is.. And both do it perfectly.

I the rating thread I gave Man of steel a 9/10 score, it came damn close to a perfect 10.
 
I'd probably bench Snyder and Goyer for 2. The groundwork is laid for a franchise but these two just are somewhat untrustworthy with Superman. Sure, Snyder did a good job at actually bringing action to this movie. But I think he*got a bit out of control with it and didn't save anything for the sequel. Snyder is too much a butcher to handle a character that needs some grace. We got zero of that in this movie. He has never made a movie that was anything more than sleek action and effects. This might whet Superman fans beaks now but we will have higher standards for the sequel.

Goyer is not right for this franchise either. They need someone with a sense of humor. This movie had some serious writing issues that were masked only by a heavy chaser of action. I hated Lois in this movie. Goyer cannot write women characters. The sequel demands better interactions and dialogue between Clark/Lois. There is more to the Superman mythos than beating people up and his humble, easy to tell origin story. DC needs to take a swing at a better creative team. I enjoyed the movie alot but its flaws worry me for the future. Im not sure these are the guys that can write a compelling Lex.
 
I can't see how anybody could give no credence to rotten tomatoes and then give some to IMDB. IMDB is full on nonsensical reviews with either agendas or plain slander bordering on vandalism. make your own mind up and don't lower yourself to using RT or IMDB or other movies or other companies as it belittles your point

Preach it brother Preach
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I can't see how anybody could give no credence to rotten tomatoes and then give some to IMDB. IMDB is full on nonsensical reviews with either agendas or plain slander bordering on vandalism. make your own mind up and don't lower yourself to using RT or IMDB or other movies or other companies as it belittles your point

i give credence to both .. plus any other site where i'll find some crowd reactions to get a collective feel on the film

having said that, RT is at 57% .. however the audience reactions on RT sits on 82% right now .. obvious disconnect .. IMDb @ 84% .. again more audience centered .. & again showing the disconnect at this point in time

so my feeling is that MoS was made for catering to the audience .. shocker
 
Agreed... I was only thinking that with a good script, and IF snyder can follow it well, it would be great..

And TOTALLY agreed... Spielberg/Cameron would be great! They know how to make magic...


Puhleeeze! Cameron perhaps, but Spielberg for Superman? Did you see the last Indiana Jones Movie?? I'm totally fine if Snyder and Co come back for the sequel.
 
This is the most eloquent and brilliant review of this movie I have read. It perfectly sums up how I feel about it stands as an incredible and persuasive counterpoint to those with such visceral reactions against it.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=13399

The whole thing is the in spoiler tag below, no spoilers, just saving space.

"Man Of Steel - First Impressions"
By Marc Pritchard

"Joyless," Mark Waid said. And I guess he'd be one to know, right, given the great things he's done with our boy over the years, some of it mined for this movie? Still, in this case I don't see things the way he does.
No, there isn't a lot of overt joy in this film, but that seems to me entirely the point. And it's not darkness, either. No, this movie is about loneliness, sadness, alienation and the raw impulse toward freedom. If it is joyless and dark, it is only to the extent that joy's absence is the hole that must be filled - nay, that will be filled.
Man of Steel, in other words, is about why joy and love and trust matter, and why they are hard-won and worth the tragedy of death. It is not some wanton celebration of joy's disappearance into nostalgia. There is death and destruction, yes, but there would have to be. That's what "serious" and "realistic" look like if you take those ideas... well, seriously. Battles to the death between beings with this magnitude of power would not confine themselves to a few city blocks and do little more damage than blowing out a few windows, popping open a few manholes, and knocking over a single Coca-Cola billboard.
I'm sorry, but those days are over.
And so lament that, I say, but not the mood and tone of this film. Lament the loss of our innocence, not Superman's. Because Superman doesn't need to be "innocent," he just needs to be aware. Responsible. Accountable.
And this Superman is all of that.
And so I say this film is the product of a reverence to this character and the ideals he embodies, not a betrayal, as some are saying - a reverence, moreover, that may make its first move on faith (which never impresses me) but doesn't let it end there. A film with the courage of its convictions, and those, I find, are in short supply.
So, yeah, I remain, after two showings now, thoroughly favourable to Zack Snyder's and David Goyer's interpretation and presentation of Superman. To some extent, I can echo a lot of what my Homepage colleagues have already said:


  • Shawn Morrissey (aka Hypoxic, aka Slo-Mo): There is a sombre tone, to be honest, and this was something that worried many fans. While there is a melancholy, it's suitably well-measured and unfolds to reveal a heroic centerpiece. Scotty V (aka Scotty V): The jaw-dropping action scenes are nothing short of awe-inspiring at every turn. [...] Man of Steel grabs you from it's [sic] first fade-in and doesn't let go until the credits roll.
    Steve Younis (aka Chief): Henry is Superman! He embodies the role so well. He too takes us on a journey of so many emotions. [...] He's able to deliver so much in just the smallest of glances.
Indeed, boys, indeed. Do I think there were problems? I do, especially with the editing, but if we're still avoiding the details, then let's avoid them. Right? We'll get to them. Meanwhile, if it's gotta be in numbers, as of today I give Man of Steel an 8/10, but, believe me, I haven't said my last on this and a second review absolutely stuffed with spoilers and other goodies should be ready in another week or so.
Meet you here.
Marc
 
yeah i think they need to have goyer strictly be an idea man let jonah write the script for sequel
 
Maybe this is too left field but how do you think Alfonso Cuaron would do with the sequel?

Not like it would happen. Snyder and Goyer are locked in. Just curious since he's said he likes the idea of going into franchises that have already started but not starting them himself.
 
Right....
I was one of the lucky ones who got to witness Superman the movie on it's original release at the cinema, that night my life changed, I believed a man could fly and I believed in heroes.
Fast forward quite a few years to me leaving the cinema after watching Superman returns...
I pretty much felt they'd killed Superman that night.
And then we come to last night, Man of steel.

I was nervous before the screening, I was pretty sure that if this version of Superman failed then I was probably going to wait a long, long time before seeing Superman fly on our cinema screens again... Within a few minutes of watching the movie I knew I was watching something very special.

Man of steel is a triumph. is it perfect? No. Pretty damn close tho.
Not too long ago I was one of Henry Cavills biggest doubters, I didn't understand the way people here and on other sites all praised him, demanding he be our new man of steel.. I just didn't get it.
However, I was wrong. Dead wrong. Cavill was amazing as Superman, He acted the role well, he looked the part beter than ANY Superman before him, yes even Reeve.
I do have to say that there were moments when there was a Reeve like quality about Cavill, but at no point was Cavill trying to be Reeve.. Perhaps both Reeve and Cavill both embodied what Superman is.. And both do it perfectly.

I the rating thread I gave Man of steel a 9/10 score, it came damn close to a perfect 10.

I was nervous as s*** going in and kept waiting for the whole thing to go pear shaped based on some reviews, and to my delight it never did. Superman:The Movie is my favourite movie of all time, and like the Wizard of Oz it has an inate charm that keeps me smiling everytime I see it. Sure the effects are not up to snuff for today's audience, but CR is just so damned good, that it is, and will always be a wonderful movie for me. However, MOS is about Clark's inner turmoil and his struggle to find out how he fits into the World and the incredible struggle/burden of coming to terms with his powers, hiding who he really is, and the fact he wishes to just be normal, and just fit in. There was no way this movie was going to be light and poppy like S:TM or the Marvel films, but for the sequel I've no doubt Snyder and Co will make it less grim/dark/dour/brooding, (Insert adjectives of your choosing) but I thought the tone was totally appropriate for this movie.
 
Puhleeeze! Cameron perhaps, but Spielberg for Superman? Did you see the last Indiana Jones Movie?? I'm totally fine if Snyder and Co come back for the sequel.

One movie you don't like, and he's terrible? :oldrazz:

Snyder, with a proper handler, maybe... and Goyer ain't it...

To each his own, I suppose...
 
Maybe the director's cut? I haven't seen it, but the official movie wasn't all that great.
Haven't seen the director's cut. Point is that Watchmen simply wasn't a movie that put action over story, whether you liked it or not.
 
JAK®;26117117 said:
Haven't seen the director's cut. Point is that Watchmen simply wasn't a movie that put action over story, whether you liked it or not.

You're right... I did sort of enjoyed Watchmen.. but again, didn't cared all that much about any of the characters... and i do understand the intricacy of the story..

I thought it could have been done better...

The only movie that i consider really good by snyder was 300. It was totally enjoyable.... I think there are 2 camps for movie-goers.. one wants that overly complicated plot.. and another just want a simple, but highly enjoyable movie with a lot of heart and characters you can connect with..

In my opinion the former is 'easier to do', whereas the latter takes a genius... It's always the simplest things that are hardest...
 
One movie you don't like, and he's terrible? :oldrazz:

Snyder, with a proper handler, maybe... and Goyer ain't it...

To each his own, I suppose...

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I could name more but just to give you one more "Temple of doom" sucked pretty bad as well imo. Spielberg for all his immense talents is not a 100% guarantee that you will get the movie you want. In fact if he had made MOS, you would likely have just as many criticizing his approach. You are rarely, if ever going to please everyone, and it is a fool who attempts to do so. Snyder/Goyer/Nolan made the movie the way they wanted to, and it worked for me so I'm a happy camper. Hopefully you'll like MOS 2 better.:yay:
 
No they won't. Most people are too lazy to like a movie like that.

I wouldn't say lazy... let's just say if you had to work so hard to like a movie, which is supposed to work hard to entertain you.. the movie has failed...
 
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I could name more but just to give you one more "Temple of doom" sucked pretty bad as well imo. Spielberg for all his immense talents is not a 100% guarantee that you will get the movie you want. In fact if he had made MOS, you would likely have just as many criticizing his approach. You are rarely, if ever going to please everyone, and it is a fool who attempts to do so. Snyder/Goyer/Nolan made the movie the way they wanted to, and it worked for me so I'm a happy camper. Hopefully you'll like MOS 2 better.:yay:

True (on the can't satisfy your every whim's part.. James Cameron certainly comes really close, in fact 99% of the time)...

But let's just say half the population didn't totally hate any of his movies like people do with MOS and before you quote the RT audience score, that's not really representative of the GA... most GA don't care about going online to vote for a movie.. mostly fans or movie buffs do...

Basically, to me if a directory pisses off half of the population, he's not done his job right.. no matter how much the other half enjoyed it...

So far, a vast majority of my friends thought it was gloomy, dark, un-entertaining and didn't care much about any of the characters because they weren't developmed at all.. (maybe snippets here and there which does not have any cohesion)...
 
I wouldn't say lazy... let's just say if you had to work so hard to like a movie, which is supposed to work hard to entertain you.. the movie has failed...

They didn't work hard, that's the point. Most were lazy because of the assumption that since they were superheroes loads of ACTION ACTION ACTION was expected and they'd just be entertained in the popcorn sense. Once that preconceived notion is inside their head, it's like there's no going back.
 

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