The Dark Knight Rises Tom Hardy as Bane XIV

[lgi]

Bane is a great character. He's a victim of bad writing.

 

[lgi]

this

That's not Batman, it's Azrael.

 

[The Joker]

From uncovering Batman's identity, finding his Batcave, and breaking his back. Don't know another villain who has done all three.

Two things:

1. He didn't find the Batcave. It was uncovered by accident when Batman smashed into the grandfather clock and it revealed the entrance to the Batcave.

2. He only broke Batman because Batman was physically depleted.

Again where does the unstoppable come from?

Conjecture.

Pot, kettle, black.

Ha! Yes, why don't we go with a cliche or predictable maneuver then? Let's kidnap or threaten Batman's love interest. Yes, that sounds like prime meat to me.

And how many times in the comics have you seen the villains do that to Batman? Name me the villains and the love interests, please.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bane didn't just want to fight Batman. He wanted to break his spirit, his will. He wanted to rule Gotham. I don't get this whole "Well, all he did wad let inmates out" thing. Bane didn't just want to pump himself with Venom and beat him in a back alley somewhere.

I'm starting to suspect that The Joker is a bit biased when coming to The Joker... hmmm.

 

[The Joker]

I'm starting to suspect that The Joker is a bit biased when coming to The Joker... hmmm.

Says the guy with the avatar full of Bane images

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

That's not Batman, it's Azrael.

Are you serious

i have no idea who that is

 

[The Joker]

Are you serious

i have no idea who that is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azrael_(comics)

Basically he was the guy who showed that Bane was not as "unstoppable" as some like to label him when faced with a foe who was not physically drained and worn out.

 

[lgi]

I think people underestimate Bane's abilties because he let the prisoners loose. It was all part of the plan. He wanted Batman to suffer physically and psychologically. He wanted to break the man's spirit. He didn't just show up at Bruce Wayne's door and happen to catch him in a bad day.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Im not a hero...not a comic reader I take it.

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azrael_(comics)

Basically he was the guy who showed that Bane was not as "unstoppable" as some like to label him when faced with a foe who was not physically drained and worn out.

is he batmans sidekick

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Two things:

1. He didn't find the Batcave. It was uncovered by accident when Batman smashed into the grandfather clock and it revealed the entrance to the Batcave.

2. He only broke Batman because Batman was physically depleted.

Again where does the unstoppable come from?

Getting petty, aren't you?

"Well, it doesn't count. Bane found it by accident. And Batman was tired and weak. Soooo, yeah that doesn't count either."

His sharp intellect and God-like physique. Are we not on the same page here?

Pot, kettle, black.

Interesting.

And how many times in the comics have you seen the villains do that to Batman? Name me the villain and the love interest, please.

Haven't read enough comics in my time, so I can't answer that without looking like a fool. Here's the difference though. The Joker has done it twice in 1989 and in 2008 on the big screen. I mean, you called Bane's tactics weak so I assume you have a refreshing or original tactic where The Joker shines in shattering Batman's spirit and psyche.

 

[Fudgie]

I do not like the way that Bane is portrayed in Secret Six. It's a big difference from the way he was in Bane of the Demon:

Ra's beat Bane, that's kool.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Says the guy with the avatar full of Bane images

Right back at you slick.

 

[lgi]

Ra is the better swordsman, with centuries of experience.

 

[The Joker]

Getting petty, aren't you?

"Well, it doesn't count. Bane found it by accident. And Batman was tired and weak. Soooo, yeah that doesn't count either."

His sharp intellect and God-like physique. Are we not on the same page here?

Petty? Speaking facts is petty?

Listen mate, Bane is far from being the first villain to discover Batman's identity. Ra's and Hugo Strange have done it for starters. In fact Ra's walked straight up to Batman in his Batcave, caught him off guard and introduced himself. Sharp intellect, half of Batman's rogues gallery has that. His "god like" physique didn't extend to him trying to take on Batman fair and square in a fight.

Haven't read enough comics in my time, so I can't answer that without looking like a fool. Here's the difference though. The Joker has done it twice in 1989 and in 2008 on the big screen. I mean, you called Bane's tactics weak so I assume you have a refreshing or original tactic where The Joker shines.

Two things:

1. The Joker in Batman 1989 had a romantic infatuation with Vicki. He took her hostage because he wanted her for himself. It had nothing to do with Batman.

2. The Joker in TDK took Rachel hostage for Harvey Dent's sake, not Batman's. Her death was a major contributor in his tactic to corrupt and manipulate Harvey.

Neither of them used the love interests as a tool or bait in a master plan to get Batman.

 

[The Joker]

is he batmans sidekick

No, just an ally. At the time of Knightfall he temporarily took over the mantle of Batman while Batman recovered from his broken back. He was the one who defeated Bane.

Right back at you slick.

Right, so spare me the bias accusations for a particular character, when your profile is just as culpable.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Petty? Speaking facts is petty?

Listen mate, Bane is far from being the first villain to discover Batman's identity. Ra's and Hugo Strange have done it for starters. In fact Ra's walked straight up to Batman in his Batcave, caught him off guard and introduced himself. Sharp intellect, half of Batman's rogues gallery has that. His "god like" physique didn't extend to him trying to take on Batman fair and square in a fight.

Yes, I'm sure we can squeeze the Joker in that gallery as well then. Huh? Maybe you can try to convince me again that the Joker's intellect is special because he's a mad man.

Two things:

1. The Joker in Batman 1989 had a romantic infatuation with Vicki. He took her hostage because he wanted her for himself. It had nothing to do with Batman.

2. The Joker in TDK took Rachel hostage for Harvey Dent's sake, not Batman's. Her death was a major contributor in his tactic to corrupt and manipulate Harvey.

Neither of them used her as a tool or bait in a master plan to get Batman.

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[The Joker]

Yes, I'm sure we can squeeze the Joker in that gallery as well then. Huh?

What gallery? The gallery of people who know Bruce is Batman? Yes, it's been strongly hinted Joker knows (See A Death in the Family. I can scan the pages if you want). In Batman RIP it was flat out confirmed he knew.

But the difference is the Joker doesn't care. It's not the Bruce Wayne persona that Joker is interested in. It's Batman that fascinates him. Again also shown in TDK. He even went so far as to protect Batman's identity from exposure by Mr. Reese because he didn't want to lose the thrill of challenging Batman.

Maybe you can try to convince me again that the Joker's intellect is special because he's a mad man.

Why would I try and convince you of that? The proof is spread over the pages of comics from the last seven decades. If you don't want to believe the obvious, that's your choice.

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Brilliant response. You've out done yourself this time

 

[Travesty]

I would love to come in on this discussion, but it seems The Joker is doing a good job on his own.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

What gallery? The gallery of people who know Bruce is Batman? Yes, it's been strongly hinted Joker knows (See A Death in the Family. I can scan the pages if you want). In Batman RIP it was flat out confirmed he knew.

But the difference is the Joker doesn't care. It's not the Bruce Wayne persona that Joker is interested in. It's Batman that fascinates him. Again also shown in TDK. He even went so far as to protect Batman's identity from exposure by Mr. Reese because he didn't want to lose the thrill of challenging Batman.

Nope, not that.

Why would I try and convince you of that? The proof is spread over the pages of comics from the last seven decades. If you don't want to believe the obvious, that's your choice.

Yes, The Joker's intellect is above Bane's and every other villain's because he is a Psychotic. By George, I guess Charlie Manson IS a genius.

Brilliant response. You've out done yourself this time

Thank you. I gotta say, It's far better than just continuing to pull things out of my a** and hoping to god it flys, but yeah. I feel honored.

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

Im not a hero...not a comic reader I take it.

no just read internet and movies

 

[The Joker]

I would love to come in on this discussion, but it seems The Joker is doing a good job on his own.

Thanks man. Glad to see you didn't fly the coop either

Nope, not that.

I'm so glad you elaborated on what you did mean.

Yes, The Joker's intellect is above Bane's and every other villain's because he is a Psychotic. By George, I guess Charlie Manson IS a genius.

You really need things spelled out in 50 foot high letters for you, don't you?

Read carefully: I said being insane does not make you stupid. If it did, characters like Hannibal Lecter would be morons. Joker's insanity, like Lecter's, fuel his obsessions and uses his intelligence to carry out his insane schemes which are always brilliantly planned. Part of Joker's insanity is that it makes him unpredictable.

Again this was addressed in TDK. Batman didn't know how to deal with Joker. He thought Joker was after something rational. "Criminals are not complicated. We just need to figure out what he's after".

Thank you. I gotta say, It's far better than just continuing to pull things out of my a** and hoping to god it flys, but yeah. I feel honored.

You should feel honored that I've entertained you this far when you've not offered one comic book scan, or fact to back up your opinion. Instead I've had to contend with half baked answers, unfounded theories, and uninspired smilies for responses.

 

[Travesty]

Thanks man. Glad to see you didn't fly the coop either

I said I would still post, just not as often.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I do not like the way that Bane is portrayed in Secret Six. It's a big difference from the way he was in Bane of the Demon:

You mean one of the few times when Bane was actually an interesting character that was rescued from being in a rut with good writing?

 

[The Shape]

The Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis for a reason.