The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

[kvz5]

It'll be a "call me maybe" thing.

 

[KalMart]

It'll be a "call me maybe" thing.

When you feel like chafing.

 

[kvz5]

Hey I just met you,
and this crazy,
but here's my number,
so call me, maybe?

 

[KalMart]

Hey I just met you,
and this crazy,
but here's my number,
so call me, maybe?

How I met my first wife.....and also how I ended up parting ways....

Another thing...I've heard from women in various conversations that they get a little annoyed at romantic/sexual relationships and so on in movies that happen too fast, as if it's too easy even if it is the woman in 'power'. They like the tension and a buildup that takes its time more....case in point, Pepper Potts in Iron Man which didn't really become intimate until the end of the second. But before that, it was great chemistry and inference...moments of vulnerability and need...a longer tease, if you will. It really had to work ore to get there, so to speak. If Catwoman had been introduced in the second film, it would have been nicer, methinks, to carry that on through the third with enough time for their relationship to grow and have its 'fun and danger' before it started to get into some serious territory...or even some passionate territory.

 

[Norek]

But isn't that part of the drama that the excitement of their 'realtionship' is based on? I mean, is 'settling down' together and shedding the costumes together ever really part of the equation? Like before, I see the strength of their bond as being enablers for eachother moreso than two souls looking for relief or what have you from eachother in what they are doing.

Oh, absolutely. I agree with what you're saying. I was just pointing out that Selina's "inability" to let go of her Catwoman persona isn't necessarily why "they cannot be together".

 

[KalMart]

Oh, absolutely. I agree with what you're saying. I was just pointing out that Selina's "inability" to let go of her Catwoman persona isn't necessarily why "they cannot be together".

Yeah...but it could be a major speedbump if Wayne just wants to be Wayne, y'know?



Or it could be kinda' hot....

 

[bullets]

The ignorance is astounding. No one said There WILL be a Batman four. People are contemplating it as a possibility.

Yet some of you hope Batman will die so fans can learn there lesson ...wtf.

 

[Rowsdower!]

You know the main reason I don't think Bruce will die in this movie? More than anything else?

Transformers.

No, not Michael Bay's movie. I'm talking about the cartoon Transformers movie in the 1980s.

Do you know how many kids left the theater in tears because they just saw their hero get killed on the big screen?

Now, I know, I know, Batman is aimed at a relatively older audience, especially Nolan's Batman. But look at the marketing surrounding this movie. There are a lot of products being made that are clearly aimed at kids. And while these movies have been violent, they haven't been so extreme that kids can't watch them. The Joker pushed the envelope a bit, but they typically cut away when he was going to do something really horrific.

So when you take that into account, you have to figure that WB doesn't want to risk alienating the younger generation; the ones that don't understand that they are just going to reboot the series after this one because this is the only Batman they have known.

It's just a theory, but being as to how I was one of those aforementioned little brats who hated that Transformers movie for killing off my beloved Optimus Prime in favor of a Judd Nelson motorhome with flames painted on the side, I do speak from experience here.

 

[KalMart]

The ignorance is astounding. No one said There WILL be a Batman four. People are contemplating it as a possibility.

Yet some of you hope Batman will die so fans can learn there lesson ...wtf.

Except for Nolan.....so.....

You know the main reason I don't think Bruce will die in this movie? More than anything else?

Transformers.

No, not Michael Bay's movie. I'm talking about the cartoon Transformers movie in the 1980s.

Do you know how many kids left the theater in tears because they just saw their hero get killed on the big screen?

Now, I know, I know, Batman is aimed at a relatively older audience, especially Nolan's Batman. But look at the marketing surrounding this movie. There are a lot of products being made that are clearly aimed at kids. And while these movies have been violent, they haven't been so extreme that kids can't watch them. The Joker pushed the envelope a bit, but they typically cut away when he was going to do something really horrific.

So when you take that into account, you have to figure that WB doesn't want to risk alienating the younger generation; the ones that don't understand that they are just going to reboot the series after this one because this is the only Batman they have known.

It's just a theory, but being as to how I was one of those aforementioned little brats who hated that Transformers movie for killing off my beloved Optimus Prime in favor of a Judd Nelson motorhome with flames painted on the side, I do speak from experience here.

I don't see Wayne actually dying simply because I think these storytellers want him to find happiness and stability in life, rather than die young for whatever reason.

 

[The_Raganork]

The ignorance is astounding. No one said There WILL be a Batman four. People are contemplating it as a possibility.

Yet some of you hope Batman will die so fans can learn there lesson ...wtf.

Not some.

Raganork8 said that.

I honestly don't have any personal connection with Batman, we've never gone to dinner, never gone to the park or the beach for a swim.

I admire Batman and think when he's put in outlets that are dominating in terms of plot, characterization and story he's at his best.

When people can't respect that a good story is the most important feature in a character and think they have some right to Batman so he can't die because it would make them angry, then I hope they get the shock of their lives and are shaken out of what can only be described as sheer and utter stupidity.

If Nolan (or anyone else) kills Batman in the context of a great story I'm going to be satisfied.

Any assertion that there's some inherent flaw in Batman's death no matter the context is foolish.

 

[KalMart]

B-but.....Batman....isn't supposed to die....ever....

 

[The_Raganork]

B-but.....Batman....isn't supposed to die....ever....

Because it'll make some fans sad and then kids will NEVER like Batman again.

 

[bullets]

Well that's a much better explanation raganork8. I'd prefer Batman or Bruce to live but wouldn't take his death as bad storytelling.

 

[KalMart]

Because it'll make some fans sad and then kids will NEVER like Batman again.

It's like a big F-you to the......the um....whattaya' call them again....?

 

[The_Raganork]

Well that's a much better explanation raganork8. I'd prefer Batman or Bruce to live but wouldn't take his death as bad storytelling.

I know you wouldn't.

I've seen enough of your post but there are a vocal bunch here who think Batman actually cannot die because there some inherent wrong in his death.

Which is absurd.

 

[The_Raganork]

It's like a big F-you to the......the um....whattaya' call them again....?

Psychopaths.

 

[Norek]

Yeah...but it could be a major speedbump if Wayne just wants to be Wayne, y'know? .

You mean in TDKR, or in the comics? Because he was addressing their relationship in the comics.

 

[KalMart]

You mean in TDKR, or in the comics? Because he was addressing their relationship in the comics.

The movie, obviously.

 

[A.Stabelli]

Rag, do you think Batman WILL die?

 

[Norek]

The movie, obviously.

Yeah, I thought so. Cuz, you know, this is NOT the comics.

If Nolan (or anyone else) kills Batman in the context of a great story I'm going to be satisfied.

This, I believe, sums up the whole thing in the best possible way.

I never liked assertions like "The Hero has to die in every epic story", or "He cannot die because..."

People tend to forget that story comes first. If the story requires for someone to die, I'd always go with it. I hate to see someone get killed for the sake of it, but if it's in the context of a compelling and interesting story, that makes it relevant, and totally different.

 

[KalMart]

Yeah, I thought so. Cuz, you know, this is NOT the comics.

Not just because movies and comics are different...but there's a much longer and deeper history developed between the two characters in the comics, whereas it seems there just isn't as much time and space shared in this final film.

 

[The_Raganork]

Rag, do you think Batman WILL die?

I think both his survival and death are equally impossible guesses to make at this point but neither should be treated as an impossibility.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Rag, your earlier position was similar to Kalmart's in that you believed Bruce Wayne would find peace. What made you include death as also a possibility?

 

[The_Raganork]

Rag, your earlier position was similar to Kalmart's in that you believed Bruce Wayne would find peace. What made you include death as also a possibility?

Peace and death needn't be different things.

Peace for a character like this Bruce Wayne can be a momentary thing. From his parents death on he is defined by those deaths.

Then in BB he's defined by Ra's Death.

Then in TDK Rachel and Harvey's death.

He doesn't have the ability to let go of these things as events he could have avoided or have changed.

In TDKR he will face an extraordinary problem that he's never faced before. The entire fate of Gotham will be put into the wager. Perhaps in that he reconcile the person he had to be and the person he wanted to be.

That can literally be a simple, revelation that's not dependent on his staying alive.

 

[KalMart]

Or like the DKReturns comic (I know...this is not the comics! ), he could fake his own death, exposed as both Batman an Bruce wayne to the people of Gotham, and live on in secret as the leader of a new League Of Shadows....with new battles and adventures to come...in a future that we won't see....




High-five me...right now...!