The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

[Nevincer]

You guys crack me up.

 

[Rowsdower!]

This is NOT Batman IV.

There WON'T be a Batman comic book, there will be a web series.

 

[KalMart]

It's actually YOUR entire logic that is based off of the comics.

Uh, no.....you're confused.

We don't know how closely Nolan is going to follow those. In this, he might have them care more about each other as Bruce/Selina than Batman/Catwoman. In just the 2nd tv spot, they already have more chemistry than Bruce had with either of the Rachels.

You mean when they're dancing? Yeah....good sample.

IRomantic getaways? Uh, no. I never said that the movie will end with them married or something. I said we could see them just starting off a romance as Bruce and Selina. We wouldn't know where it goes from there.

Or we won't and they'll be allies in this huge fight in an apocalyptic setting....like the movie is looking to be.

You're taking this whole thing much too seriously and passionately. Nolan might have him end up with no one. I think that's the likliest scenario.

That's what I was saying from the beginning....who's taking this too seriously again? Try taking a few more deep breaths before typing away next time, 'kay? And thanks for sharing.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I don't think Bruce will really "end up" with anyone. There might be a hint of Bruce and Selina eventually getting together permanently somewhere down the road, but that's probably it. I mean, forget that we're talking about Batman and remember this is Nolan here. NONE of his main characters ever get the girl in the end.

 

[Norek]

Yeah, I don't think Bruce will really "end up" with anyone. There might be a hint of Bruce and Selina eventually getting together permanently somewhere down the road, but that's probably it. I mean, forget that we're talking about Batman and remember this is Nolan here. NONE of his main characters ever get the girl in the end.

Besides, we're talking about Bruce Wayne...

In all honestly, I don't think an ending requires two people coming together and living happily ever after. There's much more than that.

 

[KalMart]

In the comics, Bruce and Selina know eachother's identities. And yes, they have gone out and dates. And they've attempted a relationship several times in the comics. The reason why it DOESN'T work is because of them being Batman and Catwoman. Either one of them betrays the other, or one of them ends up being hurt (physically) because of a situation that the other person is in.

And they know eachother much better in that format...whereas here they just met and Bruce is most likely going to stop being Batman soon. So what are chances for a relationship if she's going to be out doing her thing, and Bruce is only Bruce? Batman and Catwoman may meet at crossroads and have conflicts...but Bruce and Catwoman would probably not even be on the same map.

Bruce has said in the comics that the reason why they could never be together is because if she would ever be killed because of being with him then he would never be able to forgive himself. So if Bruce would stop being Batman, then that would be the perfect chance for him to be with her... if she was willing to do it.

See above...there's too many other things going on. Sure, he could tell her to give him a call if she's in town again or what have you. And...which we have yet to see...they would need to portray a Kyle that seeks a 'better life' outside of being a catburglar/grifter/etc. Then they'd maybe look at a future as Ozzie & Harriet, a pair of used-to-be's. Somehow I think he'd be better off with someone completely not from that world like Kyle was.

 

[KalMart]

Yeah, I don't think Bruce will really "end up" with anyone. There might be a hint of Bruce and Selina eventually getting together permanently somewhere down the road, but that's probably it. I mean, forget that we're talking about Batman and remember this is Nolan here. NONE of his main characters ever get the girl in the end.

Right...not alone as in he'll never find anyone. But at least it could be the start of getting to know himself as Bruce again, and then there are plenty of possibilities from there.

 

[kthevs]

Uh, no.....you're confused.

You mean when they're dancing? Yeah....good sample.


Or we won't and they'll be allies in this huge fight in an apocalyptic setting....like the movie is looking to be.


That's what I was saying from the beginning....who's taking this too seriously again? Try taking a few more deep breaths before typing away next time, 'kay? And thanks for sharing.

Nope. You're basing your logic off of the comics. Saying that Bruce and Selina can't be together because of how their characters are based on the comics. In the comics, it's kind of established that they are each other's one true love, but they cannot be together because Selina can't stop being Catwoman and committing crimes. In TDKR, she could easily give it all up. We don't know. That's all I'm saying.

In one of those magazine articles, it said clearly that TDKR will not be all doom and gloom but will feature some romance too.

Yes, their interaction has been praised on this board and IMDb for having great chemistry even in those few small seconds.

Yes, you are taking it too seriously because anytime someone even lighlty suggests that Bruce and Selina might end up together, you feel the need to respond with a long post about why YOU think it can't work. And it;s not just on this thread, it's on others, as well. It's all just pontificating and speculating, there's no need for the venom. You don't think it will happen, others do. Simple as that. We'll have to wait and see. I don't see why you are so passionately against the idea to the point where you won't even let people talk about it. It seems to be personal.

I really couldn't care either way. I think, more than likely, Bruce will survive and it will be implied that he can move on and have a normal life. With who, that's the question. I just don't like the idea of it being some random character we never get to meet.

 

[Norek]

Nope. You're basing your logic off of the comics. Saying that Bruce and Selina can't be together because of how their characters are based on the comics. In the comics, it's kind of established that they are each other's one true love, but they cannot be together because Selina can't stop being Catwoman and committing crimes. In TDKR, she could easily give it all up. We don't know. That's all I'm saying.

In one of those magazine articles, it said clearly that TDKR will not be all doom and gloom but will feature some romance too.

Yes, their interaction has been praised on this board and IMDb for having great chemistry even in those few small seconds.

Yes, you are taking it too seriously because anytime someone even lighlty suggests that Bruce and Selina might end up together, you feel the need to respond with a long post about why YOU think it can't work. And it;s not just on this thread, it's on others, as well. It's all just pontificating and speculating, there's no need for the venom. You don't think it will happen, others do. Simple as that. We'll have to wait and see. I don't see why you are so passionately against the idea to the point where you won't even let people talk about it. It seems to be personal.

I really couldn't care either way. I think, more than likely, Bruce will survive and it will be implied that he can move on and have a normal life. With who, that's the question. I just don't like the idea of it being some random character we never get to meet.

As far as I know, her only crime is thievery. And the same can be said about Bruce - he cannot stop being Batman.

 

[KalMart]

Nope. You're basing your logic off of the comics. Saying that Bruce and Selina can't be together because of how their characters are based on the comics. In the comics, it's kind of established that they are each other's one true love, but they cannot be together because Selina can't stop being Catwoman and committing crimes. In TDKR, she could easily give it all up. We don't know. That's all I'm saying.

In one of those magazine articles, it said clearly that TDKR will not be all doom and gloom but will feature some romance too.

Yes, their interaction has been praised on this board and IMDb for having great chemistry even in those few small seconds.

Yes, you are taking it too seriously because anytime someone even lighlty suggests that Bruce and Selina might end up together, you feel the need to respond with a long post about why YOU think it can't work. And it;s not just on this thread, it's on others, as well. It's all just pontificating and speculating, there's no need for the venom. You don't think it will happen, others do. Simple as that. We'll have to wait and see. I don't see why you are so passionately against the idea to the point where you won't even let people talk about it. It seems to be personal.

I really couldn't care either way. I think, more than likely, Bruce will survive and it will be implied that he can move on and have a normal life. With who, that's the question. I just don't like the idea of it being some random character we never get to meet.

Try this one more time....and slower....


The main issue is that this really doesn't seem like the setting. I meant no 'venom' or the like, so you can calm the **** down, okay champ? It's all in good fun. And thanks again.

 

[kthevs]

As far as I know, her only crime is thievery. And the same can be said about Bruce - he cannot stop being Batman.

Exactly. Neither can give it up, but if in Nolan's verse Bruce can give up being Batman, who knows what might happen with Catwoman. I'm going to keep an open mind about the whole thing.

 

[kthevs]

Try this one more time....and slower....


The main issue is that this really doesn't seem like the setting. I meant no 'venom' or the like, so you can calm the **** down, okay champ? It's all in good fun. And thanks again.

Another patronizing post, complete with trying to sneak in "I'm looking down my nose at you by calling you Champ." Too bad this board doesn't have an ignore button.

The belief that catwoman cannot give up her ways is based on the comics. Just like how in the comics Bruce cannot stop being batman. I'm going to keep an open mind about the whole thing because I don't think Nolan cares about following the comics. If you prefer to already make up your mind and not keep an open mind, that's your right to do so.

Peace out.

 

[The_Raganork]

Kalmart is not saying that.

Kalmart is saying, this movie looks like it could be the end of time for TDKR and there doesn't appear to be time for romance in that potential destruction.

 

[KalMart]

Another patronizing post, complete with trying to sneak in "I'm looking down my nose at you by calling you Champ." Too bad this board doesn't have an ignore button.

I think a 'grown-up button' would do you better, but hey....

The belief that catwoman cannot give up her ways is based on the comics. Just like how in the comics Bruce cannot stop being batman. I'm going to keep an open mind about the whole thing because I don't think Nolan cares about following the comics. If you prefer to already make up your mind and not keep an open mind, that's your right to do so.

Peace out.

And you're obviously as above being affected by such stuff and responding childishly, as you imply you are. Nice one.

If you're gonna be a baby, you'll be addressed as one.


Ciao.

As far as I know, her only crime is thievery. And the same can be said about Bruce - he cannot stop being Batman.

But isn't that part of the drama that the excitement of their 'realtionship' is based on? I mean, is 'settling down' together and shedding the costumes together ever really part of the equation? Like before, I see the strength of their bond as being enablers for eachother moreso than two souls looking for relief or what have you from eachother in what they are doing.

 

[kthevs]

Kalmart is not saying that.

Kalmart is saying, this movie looks like it could be the end of time for TDKR and there doesn't appear to be time for romance in that potential destruction.

Except that the article I read clearly states that it wouldn't be all gloom and doom but would feature romance as well. Plus, it's obvious some romance happens between Bruce and Miranda. As long as they don't end up together I'm fine with anything else Nolan chooses to do.

 

[The_Raganork]

Except that the article I read clearly states that it wouldn't be all gloom and doom but would feature romance as well. Plus, it's obvious some romance happens between Bruce and Miranda. As long as they don't end up together I'm fine with anything else Nolan chooses to do.

IT doesn't need to be all doom and gloom for that to be the final result.

There's romance yes but TDKR is delivering a situation in which EVERY one is facing certain death at one point or another. Relationships and love will take a back burner to an amazing spectacle of destruction and war.

 

[KalMart]

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[kthevs]

IT doesn't need to be all doom and gloom for that to be the final result.

There's romance yes but TDKR is delivering a situation in which EVERY one is facing certain death at one point or another. Relationships and love will take a back burner to an amazing spectacle of destruction and war.

And that's the way I want it. I never said I WANTED romance. Just said I thought it would happen, at least to some degree. I prefer a more serious film that didn't have romance. I hated the love triangle in TDK. One of the main reasons I enjoyed that other superhero film that already came out... you know, the one we're not supposed to talk about... is because it didn't have any romance.

 

[KalMart]

IT doesn't need to be all doom and gloom for that to be the final result.

There's romance yes but TDKR is delivering a situation in which EVERY one is facing certain death at one point or another. Relationships and love will take a back burner to an amazing spectacle of destruction and war.

Add to that...the kind of romance between Batman and Catwoman I see more happening earlier in his 'career' with more time to develop the chasing games et al, not as a catalyst or what have you to finally putting Batman to rest near the end. Just more time to seriously develop both the fun and the tragedy in their respective roles.

 

[kvz5]

As much as I love some some BatCat, I don't think there will be time to develop a full fledged romance. Heck, I'm not even convinced that they'd give it a shot in the end with too much going on. Bruce will be coming off from an 8 year grief over Rachel and then he will spend the more quiet parts of the movie romancing Tatelia (who will end up betraying him as well). But after his Bane defeat, there will be so much more important stuff than developing anything with Selina/Catwoman who mind you will be integral to how he was defeated anyway in the first place. Selina/Catwoman might develop some feelings for him (although I'm thinking it might just be a hero worship thing) once she finds out about all his sacrifices but I'm not even sure if Bruce/Batman will reciprocate with anything other than respect. It might end up just being a mutual respect thing in the end with some sexual attraction/sparks thrown in there for good measure.

Plus.. if he dies then this debate is kinda a moot point.

 

[KalMart]

As much as I love some some BatCat, I don't think there will be time to develop a full fledged romance. Heck, I'm not even convinced that they'd give it a shot in the end with too much going on. Bruce will be coming off from an 8 year grief over Rachel and then he will spend the more quiet parts of the movie romancing Tatelia (who will end up betraying him as well). But after his Bane defeat, there will be so much more important stuff than developing anything with Selina/Catwoman who mind you will be integral to how he was defeated anyway in the first place. Selina/Catwoman might develop some feelings for him (although I'm thinking it might just be a hero worship thing) once she finds out about all his sacrifices but I'm not even sure if Bruce/Batman will reciprocate with anything other than respect. It might end up just being a mutual respect thing in the end with some sexual attraction/sparks thrown in there for good measure.

Plus.. if he dies then this debate is kinda a moot point.

But if he lives, and she moves to a different city...there's nothing that says he can't visit there a few times a year and pack some leather.


Me-owww...!

 

[kvz5]

I'm sure they'll be at each other's booty call speed dial list.

 

[kthevs]

As much as I love some some BatCat, I don't think there will be time to develop a full fledged romance. Heck, I'm not even convinced that they'd give it a shot in the end with too much going on. Bruce will be coming off from an 8 year grief over Rachel and then he will spend the more quiet parts of the movie romancing Tatelia (who will end up betraying him as well). But after his Bane defeat, there will be so much more important stuff than developing anything with Selina/Catwoman who mind you will be integral to how he was defeated anyway in the first place. Selina/Catwoman might develop some feelings for him (although I'm thinking it might just be a hero worship thing) once she finds out about all his sacrifices but I'm not even sure if Bruce/Batman will reciprocate with anything other than respect. It might end up just being a mutual respect thing in the end with some sexual attraction/sparks thrown in there for good measure.

Plus.. if he dies then this debate is kinda a moot point.

At best, that's all there will be time to do. Just implying sparks.

 

[KalMart]

It'll be its own independent GPS system.

 

[kthevs]

I'm sure they'll be at each other's booty call speed dial list.

The Dark Knight Rises... directed by... Ron Jeremy