Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Avalanche]

Proboxoffice estimated $110M domestic for the 4 day weekend.

It wasn't long ago that I'd think that was a huge opening weekend. Opening weekends have really exploded in recent years.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yeah I just don't understand the hype for Suicide Squad at all. I'll only see it if it gets good reviews. The only character I'm interested in seeing is Captain Boomerang

To me it looks like a movie filmed in Toronto...

Though I did like the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If Apocalypse only makes 190 million domesticly inless foregin box office takes up the slack it will be seen as disappointment with a 234 million budget and fact DOFP made 233 million domesticly.

there are likely 2 options if this happens

1:Fox scraps gambit and new mutants and reboots X-men and makes
deadpool and sequel work with reboot.
2:Fox carrys on with it's plans by with greatly reduced budgets.no more
200 million budgeted X-men films.Fox likely won't offer lawrence big money
to come back.

Bringig back original cast isn't an option with Hugh Jackman leaving after he wraps old man logan ispired wolverine film.at least if 190 million domestic gross prediction holds up people will stop believing lawrence was reason for DOFP's success.

I am sure anti-fox people will come to brag about it.thankfully i have many on my ignore list.

 

[Iceman]

It wasn't long ago that I'd think that was a huge opening weekend. Opening weekends have really exploded in recent years.

They have yes.

But that figure is not big for a 4 day even a decade ago. X2 did $85m for a 3 day in 2003 which would be on course to beat that kind of number for a 4 day. And 10 years ago you had Dead man’s Chest doing $135m for a 3 day and X3 doing $102m for a 3 day and just under $123m for a 4 day. It’s just this series that hasn’t really grown much domestically for whatever reason.

 

[superweirdo87]

I think Fox might go for a smaller budget for the next movie and see how it does. I could see Fox making an X-Men movie for like 160M. I think the problem with going to like Wolverine levels is that these movies is they have big ensembles and they need decent VFX. A lot of people say the reason they go to blockbusters is that they have spectacle you want to see on a big screen.

It seems like the X-Men have a domestic ceiling of a little less than 250. Given that Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy are beating Man of Steel and BvS, I think the problem might be the movies never hit the zeitgeist with the wider audience.

 

[Mad Ones]

It's almost fitting that a movie about rejects and underdogs doesn't hit a zeitgeist with mass audiences lol

 

[Double B]

The problem with this incarnation of the X-men is timing. We need to bear in mind just how long ago the first film was released, how comparatively low-budget and how tame it was in terms of comic book spectacle. It needed to happen that way. The comic book genre needed the trailblazer that was X1 and X2 to show that this kind of material could be adapted and adapted seriously but in those first two films there is an obvious hesitance and worry about how far they could go.

TLS comes along and is the series' chance to embrace its roots and and deliver a critical darling - and the ball was dropped. Realistically the series has never quite recovered. Fox spent the next few years wondering what to do and as comic book movies became en vogue, they threw First Class out at record speed with its period setting, strange roster and lack of wow factor. Is it a good film? Yeah. Was it what the series needed to reinvent itself in the modern era? Not so much. DOFP, successful and critically acclaimed as it was, just wasn't able to smash the cap in terms of success the series seems to have. I'm not sure why it seems like the X series is running after all the other franchises shouting Me too!" instead of dominating.

In retrospect, you do have to wonder what a crazy, fun, bright comic book-esque reboot, containing the the pathos the series is known for, might have achieved had it been in First Class's position?

 

[Frankeh]

A smaller budget for the next movie might be wise. It'll force the filmmakers to work economically. Remember Deadpool had it's budget cut short and it turned out wonderfully.

If the concern is the VFX, well this movie has a huge budget and the VFX has looked less than impressive. Some of it looks OK, some of it looks (at best) passable, some of it looks outright terribad.

 

[chamber-music]

I think Fox might go for a smaller budget for the next movie and see how it does. I could see Fox making an X-Men movie for like 160M. I think the problem with going to like Wolverine levels is that these movies is they have big ensembles and they need decent VFX. A lot of people say the reason they go to blockbusters is that they have spectacle you want to see on a big screen.

It seems like the X-Men have a domestic ceiling of a little less than 250. Given that Deadpool and Guardians of the Galaxy are beating Man of Steel and BvS, I think the problem might be the movies never hit the zeitgeist with the wider audience.

I've thought for a while that this version of the X-Men has probably peaked.

Most of the major X-Men characters have been adapted. Switching things up with comedic films like Deadpool and supernatural themed films with New Mutants is what will generate new interest by keeping things fresh.

 

[sleekstereo]

It's too late to reboot, especially when they have recast the main X-Men roster with great actors.

I think they need the audience to start to care about the main roster characters again.

My suggestion may be out there, but I wouldn't mind if they went the Indie route with character focus films on Jean, Cyclops, Quicksilver, Storm, and Nightcrawler.

I mentioned it in the main thread, but they should do the Mutant Massacre storyline before moving into the Phoenix storyline. The story needs to be grounded and character driven again, and expand the world. By introducing the Murlocks, Marauders, and have the X-Men spend time in the Murlocks community, understanding their world, along with having character development moments, I think that will help the audience care about the characters again.

 

[superweirdo87]

I do think a smaller budget is a good idea. It is definitely true that a lot of the VFX look bad with the huge budget here. It's just hard to imagine an X-Men movie without *any* action or VFX set pieces. They need some, and there may come a point where a low budget becomes inadequate for that piece.

And I am on board with sleek stereo!

 

[GuestStar2004]

A smaller budget for the next movie might be wise. It'll force the filmmakers to work economically. Remember Deadpool had it's budget cut short and it turned out wonderfully.

Thing about that is a big budgets good for doing alot of cool stuff but not having that means there is stuff you can't do, deadpool and fan4stic cut quite alot of action because of the budget so it does restrict what cool action we could get if they did reduce the budget.

i know there was talk that FC couldn't afford certain stuff either so yeah smaller budget means more effort in the story but then we can't really complain when we don't get sceptical

 

[Frankeh]

It's just hard to imagine an X-Men movie without *any* action or VFX set pieces.

With a lesser budget they could still do great power display battles but in more mundane places where they can actually film on location. They won't do the end-of-the-world visuals again after this movie anyway.

Critics for example already seem tired of superheroes fighting against villains in the middle of famous cities. Time to subvert cliches (which is what worked for CW). Evolve or die.

 

[Frankeh]

I think they need the audience to start to care about the main roster characters again.

Correct. Mags, Raven (occassionally Mystique) and Xavier have had their trilogy. Time to shift the focus. I know y'all love Fassbender and he is indeed a great actor but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the next movie and everyone is like "more of the same from Magneto". And being an actor that recognized by his peers you just know they're gonna keep servicing him over the young up and comers. Same with JLaw. They need to take a sabbatical.

 

[sleekstereo]

Correct. Mags, Raven (occassionally Mystique) and Xavier have had their trilogy. Time to shift the focus. I know y'all love Fassbender and he is indeed a great actor but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the next movie and everyone is like "more of the same from Magneto". And being an actor that recognized by his peers you just know they're gonna keep servicing him over the young up and comers. Same with JLaw. They need to take a sabbatical.

Magneto and Mystique should not be in the next film. Professor X should be there, but purely on a supporting level.

The main villain should be Mr. Sinister, focusing on Jean and Cyclops as the characters he is after, and tie in the Marauders and Murlocks into the story, will service Storm and Nightcrawler as well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Correct. Mags, Raven (occassionally Mystique) and Xavier have had their trilogy. Time to shift the focus. I know y'all love Fassbender and he is indeed a great actor but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the next movie and everyone is like "more of the same from Magneto". And being an actor that recognized by his peers you just know they're gonna keep servicing him over the young up and comers. Same with JLaw. They need to take a sabbatical.

Have reviews said they are sick of magneto? he is a popular character, like wolverine if you do not have him in the movie then people will ask where he is? people complain but they complain anyway, they can just write magneto into a different sort of role then it won't be to much same old.

People tend to judge by the actors but no its the character that keeps him coming back just like it kept mckellen coming back.

 

[Frankeh]

Magneto and Mystique should not be in the next film. Professor X should be there, but purely on a supporting level.

The main villain should be Mr. Sinister, focusing on Jean and Cyclops as the characters he is after, and tie in the Marauders and Murlocks into the story, will service Storm and Nightcrawler as well.

That is my idea for the next film as well. But we unfortunately are not part of the creative team for these films.

 

[superweirdo87]

I totally agree that they have to evolve, and that they can do cool power displays without the kind of budget this movie involved. But, it might get dicey under 140 M.

 

[Frankeh]

Have reviews said they are sick of magneto? he is a popular character, like wolverine if you do not have him in the movie then people will ask where he is?

They will continue asking those questions until core team members are actually ingrained in the general audiences' mind. Which is exactly what we're talking about fixing.

Instead you need to start wondering why people don't ask where is Cyclops? Where is Jean Grey?

 

[psylockolussus]

I've seen LOTS of advertising for this! I feel like it should open really big overseas!

And like I said before, instead of giving Magneto/Mystique the meatier roles.... the world would have been so much better if Storm/Jean/Cyclops are getting those.

 

[Sithborg]

A smaller budget for the next movie might be wise. It'll force the filmmakers to work economically. Remember Deadpool had it's budget cut short and it turned out wonderfully.

If the concern is the VFX, well this movie has a huge budget and the VFX has looked less than impressive. Some of it looks OK, some of it looks (at best) passable, some of it looks outright terribad.

Much like physical>CGI, a lesser budget doesn't necessarily mean a better movie. A smaller budget only really raises the likelihood of success.

And force the filmmaker to compromise is only a good thing if the filmmaker is able to do it well.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Instead you need to start wondering why people don't ask where is Cyclops? Where is Jean Grey?

People do ask that when they ain't there, even for DOFP people were asking where cyclops was... he is dead remember?

admittedly he ain't as popular as magneto because the character won over the audience in both younger and older forms but that may be because of anti-hero type thing he has going on.

 

[superweirdo87]

I think J. Law should just go. It would be good for Magneto to get a breather. He could do the storyline where Magneto is head of the school down the pike. But, a full and meaningful arc for Scott and Jean should be what the next movie is focused on.

Many reviews have praised Fassbender's performance, but most lament the predictability of this movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

Both of them needs to go. X-Men movies are so limited that is quite a head scratchier for me why they managed to bring those two for every X-Men team movie and then managed to develop them way more than Jean/Scott/Storm/Rogue who are mostly seen as X-Men members and not villains unlike those two. Like we know Magneto is the biggest X-Men villain ever, but no need to include him in every film! Its like saying Joker needs to appear in every Batman film... WB is wise for not doing that.

A smaller budget for the next movie might be wise. It'll force the filmmakers to work economically. Remember Deadpool had it's budget cut short and it turned out wonderfully.

If the concern is the VFX, well this movie has a huge budget and the VFX has looked less than impressive. Some of it looks OK, some of it looks (at best) passable, some of it looks outright terribad.

The problem with the VFX is time management... weren't the vFx companies that they hired for this film, were so busy polishing the other films and that they need to shop for other visual effect companies? If they know the film is gonna need a lot of visual effects, they should shoot the film way earlier than the traditional 12 months before the release routine.

 

[Frankeh]

People do ask that when they ain't there, even for DOFP people were asking where cyclops was... he is dead remember?

admittedly he ain't as popular as magneto because the character won over the audience in both younger and older forms but that may be because of anti-hero type thing he has going on.

Seems like an excuse. Look at how popular Captain America is. Cyclops could technically be as big as him but poor lad just isn't given the chance.