Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Mad Ones]

I keep hearing that Fox needs to make movies in the present. Why? A good movie will be good regardless of the time period it's set.

 

[MadVillainy]

I keep hearing that Fox needs to make movies in the present. Why? A good movie will be good regardless of the time period it's set.

i think because First Class was good but set in the past so people think that audiences don't really respond the period pieces

I just want to set it in the present because I think they've gone as far as they need to go in the past.

They used the 60s to fantastic effect, 70s alright, but they didn't really use the 80s well imo. And now they want to do the 90s? Eh...90s aren't that interesting and they might as well just set it in the present or at least stay in the 80s.

 

[Tilapia]

If they wanna keep the cast they have on contract then yeah they kinda do have to do it before their contracts expire, i dunno how many years they have on that though but i am gonna guess 2019 is the latest for the next movie

I think people are just assuming it's a standard 3 picture within 6 years type of deal when we don't know that explicitly. No reason to assume otherwise, but really, we just don't know. And McAvoy and Hoult would need new deals, so that's either a recast or a large investment to bring them back.

We would probably be losing Fassbender/Magneto for a few films, who was a major draw for this trilogy. No other way around that. He carried the trilogy in large part.

So based on that, I am not investing another 200 million in another X-Men flick. The returns haven't been there. I think X-Men Origins: Gambit is where they go, similar to what we saw with Wolverine. This will give a you chance to introduce your next over arching villain, Sinister. You don't want to keep one offing your villains. Gambit will hopefully be late 2018. Should they make another X-Men in 2019, so be it. But I would like Phoenix to be a two part saga. The next X-Men film needs to make a lot of money for that to happen, and I think they should hold off on Phoenix.

Phoenix part I should introduce the new Wolverine. Magneto would return in part II.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I keep hearing that Fox needs to make movies in the present. Why? A good movie will be good regardless of the time period it's set.

Agreed. but behind many statements are a lack of logical support. Don't let it work you up.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Actually, I don't think it is that generic and cliche. None of the other X-Men films have had a plot where the X-men have to work as a team against a big powerful villain. I mean, I GUESS you could sort of say the first X-Men film with Magneto was about that but this film was a breath if fresh air to me which is why I dont quite understand why people are saying "been there, done that." Plus, isn't that essentially what the MCU movies are building towards with Thanos?

Every Bryan Singer X-Men film is the same

Professor X & Magneto have disagreement
Magneto causes some destruction Xavier forgives him
Some villain messes with Cerebro or uses it against humans
Xavier is kidnapped or incapacitated

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

If FF didn't damage Kinberg apocalypse won't.

So what he's a hack that doesn't mean anything good that he's not fired.

 

[GuestStar2004]

We would probably be losing Fassbender/Magneto for a few films, who was a major draw for this trilogy. No other way around that. He carried the trilogy in large part.

No the money will likely go on the important stuff before anything else, aka the cast, so yeah its likely he would be in and i am pretty sure it won't be made without him unless he doesn't wanna come back.

 

[Tilapia]

No the money will likely go on the important stuff before anything else, aka the cast, so yeah he would be in and i am pretty sure it won't be made without him unless he doesn't wanna come back.

The cast was the least of the issues here. And the box office still wasn't there. And these are Singer hires, so it's not a lock that any of them will be back whether Singer produces or not, should he step down as director. Fox can go cheap on a director and sacrifice quality. Either way, they have to trim somewhere.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The cast was the least of the issues here. And the box office still wasn't there. And these are Singer hires, so it's not a lock that any of them will be back whether Singer produces or not, should he step down as director. Fox can go cheap on a director and sacrifice quality. Either way, they have to trim somewhere.

I suppose the question is do you throw out talent for effects or throw out effects for talent... or find a way to make both work

 

[ciscostudent561]

Every Bryan Singer X-Men film is the same

Professor X & Magneto have disagreement
Magneto causes some destruction Xavier forgives him
Some villain messes with Cerebro or uses it against humans
Xavier is kidnapped or incapacitated

lol true doe

 

[Tilapia]

I suppose the question is do you throw out talent for effects or throw out effects for talent... or find a way to make both work

You throw out delusional fanboys that want X-Men films every year. Or 200 million dollar reboots with another brand new cast... this time in the MCU. Not you per say. Just saying...

 

[superweirdo87]

I keep hearing that Fox needs to make movies in the present. Why? A good movie will be good regardless of the time period it's set.

The period setting seems increasingly futile, and the time jump in XM:A felt arbitrary. Like, what is happening right then is because of these time jumps and it does not always make sense.

I think this cast is promising, and I think staying in the 1980s makes sense.

 

[kasjan]

Every Bryan Singer X-Men film is the same

Professor X & Magneto have disagreement
Magneto causes some destruction Xavier forgives him
Some villain messes with Cerebro or uses it against humans
Xavier is kidnapped or incapacitated

Xavier not kidnapped in DOFP.

 

[EnDz0n3]

James Cameron is the only reason Bryan Singer didn't mess up the ending of DOFP. Have you guys saw the interview? Is a bit old, like end of 2014.

Bryan would have a terrible ending but James saved us all when Singer asked him his opinion about it.

You're being overly dramatic LOL

 

[Smilodon]

Xavier not kidnapped in DOFP.

He's incapacitated.

And lol the notion that Cameron saved DOFP. Ridiculous. Bryan just didn't show the complete ending of DOFP with Scott and Jean to Cameron so Cameron thought it was a fake out. That's all.

600 million is fine. There are other mutant stories in the pipeline to keep this universe going. Just give it time while they find someone new to take over.

 

[def28]

You throw out delusional fanboys that want X-Men films every year. Or 200 million dollar reboots with another brand new cast... this time in the MCU. Not you per say. Just saying...

People want X-Men films every year that are different, the main series won't offer anything fresh. Bring a new IP like Deadpool and things started to change in terms of success for the franchise.

Different X-Men IP's that are well made will be the key to living a longer life. You can look at Deadpool for proof of that which is only months away from Apocalypse. Having an X-Men related film every year ain't an issue.

 

[JEM]

I can't wait to hear news about New Mutant. People want fresh things, it could be the answer.
400 million OS seems lock so 550 million WW is low end. The question is if XA can do more.

 

[lastairbender]

From 2nd place to 6th place next week...

I feel sad... its the movie i enjoyed most this year..i love x-men movies and carachters, hope they dont give up...

i love this hype of being here everyday when a movie stars filming until it is released..
The first set pics, the first photo and teaser and poster..the anxiety..lol

 

[Tilapia]

People want X-Men films every year that are different, the main series won't offer anything fresh. Bring a new IP like Deadpool and things started to change in terms of success for the franchise.

Different X-Men IP's that are well made will be the key to living a longer life. You can look at Deadpool for proof of that which is only months away from Apocalypse. Having an X-Men related film every year ain't an issue.

What other film besides Deadpool is going to have that success? Based on the tone in Deadpool, I would think a New Mutants (present day) would be a light PG-13 MCU rehash. There isn't a character out there that can duplicate Deadpool by himself/herself.

Audiences are going to be burnt out after Infinity War part II anyway you slice it and dice it. They are going to need a break for a few years. Civil War didn't even outgross IM3.

 

[Sithborg]

It's a little early to write the eulogy. I also don't see why it would drop behind stuff it came ahead of this week.

 

[ciscostudent561]

From 2nd place to 6th place next week...

I feel sad... its the movie i enjoyed most this year..i love x-men movies and carachters, hope they dont give up...

i love this hype of being here everyday when a movie stars filming until it is released..
The first set pics, the first photo and teaser and poster..the anxiety..lol

til next time?

 

[def28]

What other film besides Deadpool is going to have that success? Based on the tone in Deadpool, I would think a New Mutants (present day) would be a light PG-13 MCU rehash. There isn't a character out there that can duplicate Deadpool by himself/herself.

X-Force obviously.

The majority of this board thought Deadpool was gonna either make lilttle or flop, because he was a "niche" character and not as popular as the main film. Or they just personally never liked him, didn't read the books themselves and thought their opinion would reflect the GA's. They were all completely wrong. Not by a little but by a lot. Whose to say New Mutants won't kick ass too and resonate with audiences? Or even Gambit of that matter.

Not making use of fresh X-Men IP's would be a waste, and fans will watch this series slowly drown if Singer and Kinberg are the only ones on board with the main series. Even at their best their version of X-Men can't make Deapdool numbers. And Deadpool doesn't even need China.

This film may not be a flat out bomb, but it is hurting the future of the franchise bad. The next X-Men film is not in good shape and the series feels tired. They need fresh takes and new IP's. That is why Marvel has survived with so many films, they have variety. Always something new to go along with the old. People didn't think Iron Man or GOTG would be a hit, and thought Ant-Man would not do too hot either.

 

[superweirdo87]

I suppose the question is do you throw out talent for effects or throw out effects for talent... or find a way to make both work

I think talent is essential and deserves priority, but that does not mean that effects have to be crappy. Also, it is possible to get a talented director within a budget. Remember "Deadpool" cost 58 million dollars. There are talented people working in independent movies and music videos. Also, other possibilities that do not entail breaking the bank. Joe Cornish.

Fox should prioritize talent and find a talented director at a reasonable cost. VFX matter, but I think a 150M budget should leave them with enough to do good enough work with power displays, visuals, and effects if they choose the right storyline and get creative.

 

[superweirdo87]

You throw out delusional fanboys that want X-Men films every year. Or 200 million dollar reboots with another brand new cast... this time in the MCU. Not you per say. Just saying...

I think taking a few years makes sense. It would be better not to test the audience, and it would be better for the franchise.

Given the reviews, the mixed audience reception, and the commercial performance, Fox and its comic book universe, it seems like now is the time to step back, re-assess, and take a look at their approach. Another thing is Fox does not seem to have a long-term vision for the X-Men movies. They don't need to imitate Marvel or try to copy it. But, they need to think out arcs over films and develop a larger vision. There are also clearly adjustments to be made.

Fox can focus on X-23/X-Force/Deadpool and take a beat and reconfigure how to do X-Men.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I don't like the arcs over films approach.
Let each film be its own.
Many MCU movies are becoming victims to having to be a part of a bigger plot.
That single-handily ruined AOU

MCU in phase one, their films were their own.
In phase two they became trapped under a narrative that was greater and not as cohesive because directors and writers were not on the same page.

IT helped Cap 2
but I think all the others suffered