Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[Flint Marko]

On XMA you have at least theme like memory-home-family-nature tied up together. The repress memory theme drive you to the unlishing power theme, the respinsabilty of creative/destructive power, it is a journey, accepting your dark side (Charle's mainly), letting go of control over woman and the fear of your dormant super power.

Now most of it is pretty straight forward in the surface but it is inherent to the characters and how they act, they form a whole. Wich is another point of the movie. Charles will blurr the frontiere beetwen his head, heart and home/family/mansion.

You have symbolizm with the tree/forest and the birds. It is also the reason of Alkali Lake. Logan represent the animal side, with no control. When Jean heal him by giving him some happy memory it is pretty deep.

First because it is what Charles will get to do in the end, if he had not hide Moira memory Apocalypse woulf never have come. (Plus Moira and Jean both interract with Apoc with fire).

Second because in every movie Logan end up stabbing woman in the stomach, and there he put out needles of his heart and stomach. No stabbing, improvement on different timeline.

Tere is analogy beetwen Erik and Charles, the first told everything to his wife where Charles kept everything hidden from Moira, Erik daughter can summon birds and Jean his a bird figure. In Jean's room when she has a nightmare we can see a picture above her bed of a tree burning (link this to scott and represent memory), mens with arrows and bird of papers. Next scene you have the daughter of erik summoning bird in the forest (treeeees!) and being killed by an arrow.

In Auschwitz to reveal Magneto power Apocalypse will speak of a forest he will birn to the ground. This work with Erik because the forest is a place of tragic memory and as usual he wippe out the bzd memories. In the opposite Charles accept the bad memory he do not get mzd when Scott destroy he family tree. He is compassionate and end up like a buddha. Bald and connected to the world around him.

Connectivness the super ego of Apocalypse wanted, despite him believing being a god he lack connectivity to others. Pretty human.

I don't find any of this to be particularly deep, complex, or revelatory, at least in the manner it was presented in the film. Just because these themes are present in the story doesn't mean they were effectively dramatized or executed. I could point to poems I wrote in middle school that are chock-full of well-intentioned ideas, but that doesn't automatically make it a good poem.
That analogy sounds more reductive than I mean it to, honestly. For the record I don't think Apocalypse is an awful movie, but I don't think it's a very good one either. Definitely better than my middle school poetry, that's for sure.

See. I don't get this. All these people complain about it being "too boring" and "not enough action" then you guys say it's some big, dumb action fest.

I'm sorry, this just isn't true. You can have your opinions about the quality of the story, action, etc... but there were plenty of dramatic plot points, lots of intense character development, plenty of quiet moments that weren't based on action. Singer just can't seem to do anything right in certain people's eyes.

Except I never complained about the film not having enough action. You can't lump me in with that group as that does not describe me.
And I'm sorry, you can't tell me that my "opinion" is wrong, my opinion being that this was a very generic movie that didn't contain half the dramatic heft of it's predecessors. I'll give Singer credit where credit is due, but he doesn't get much this time around.

 

[Logan0327]

now at 424 million WW

 

[henzINNIT]

It was nothing of the sort people are being silly and carried away with hyperbole.

You should tell that to all the critics who also crapped on this.

 

[fallenAngel]

So far it actually appears to be holding up better on weekdays than Dofp. About a million more per day at the same point

 

[TheNewSlayer]

now at 424 million WW

Is already in 4th place among X-Men movies.

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Worldwide Domestic / % Overseas / % Year
1 Deadpool Fox $771.2 $363.0 47.1% $408.2 52.9% 2016
2 X-Men: Days of Future Past Fox $747.9 $233.9 31.3% $513.9 68.7% 2014
3 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox $459.4 $234.4 51% $225.0 49% 2006
4 X-Men: Apocalypse Fox $424.9 $122.5 28.8% $302.5 71.2% 2016
5 The Wolverine Fox $414.8 $132.6 32% $282.3 68% 2013
6 X2: X-Men United Fox $407.7 $214.9 52.7% $192.8 47.3% 2003
7 X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fox $373.1 $179.9 48.2% $193.2 51.8% 2009
8 X-Men: First Class Fox $353.6 $146.4 41.4% $207.2 58.6% 2011
9 X-Men Fox $296.3 $157.3 53.1% $139.0 46.9% 2000

 

[Mad Ones]

Honestly, when reading posts on the hype, and places like it, it's best to add "imo" to the end of every sentence in your head.

 

[Sithborg]

I LOVED the movie. But I wouldn't call the criticisms unfair.

 

[Mad Ones]

I LOVED the movie. But I wouldn't call the criticisms unfair.

Same. It is possible to both love something and acknowledge problems. This "all or nothing" mentality plagues fan spaces.

 

[kevork89]

I LOVED the movie. But I wouldn't call the criticisms unfair.

Yeah exactly. There are some moments and criticisms that should've been fixed from the beginning. Weak parts of the movie and story. Bad character moments and weak motivations. But it was still a damn fun movie. And I felt all the emotions. Just like when I watch X2, FC and DoFP. Apocalypse for the X-Men franchise is pretty middle of the pack. But at least they never went to the levels of bad as Last Stand.

 

[Smilodon]

I LOVED the movie. But I wouldn't call the criticisms unfair.

Most of these criticisms are on the money too, in my opinion. The only thing I'd disagree with are those who knock on Turner's acting.

 

[Sithborg]

So far it actually appears to be holding up better on weekdays than Dofp. About a million more per day at the same point

It does appear to be starting to find it's legs, which is good. It should easily pass First Class. The China numbers are going to be interesting, though, what with Warcraft already a monster (did more than Apocalypse in its first day). Yet, it only dropped 42% from Tue.

 

[Superhero 101]

It looks like it will be able to get to XFC domestic numbers if it continues to hold

 

[ApophènX]

I don't find any of this to be particularly deep, complex, or revelatory, at least in the manner it was presented in the film. Just because these themes are present in the story doesn't mean they were effectively dramatized or executed. I could point to poems I wrote in middle school that are chock-full of well-intentioned ideas, but that doesn't automatically make it a good poem.
That analogy sounds more reductive than I mean it to, honestly. For the record I don't think Apocalypse is an awful movie, but I don't think it's a very good one either. Definitely better than my middle school poetry, for

The movies has flaws, many. He doesn't intended to be complex, as they say the second is always more "dark and complex". This movie balanced alot beetwen emotion and it is not something you see in super hero movie. They clearly headed to something more fun.

When you play with symbols it is by nature deep. What is deep doesn't need to be complex, it can be abstract. It is your way of feeling and experience it. The movie still had momentum where you could feel it more, cristalizing. Like the scene with Erik and Charles speaking through Cerebro or the end with Apocalypse in Charles' head and the liberation of the Phoenix.

I felt those moment to be catharsis. Maybe it doesn't work for everybody.

The main thing to me is that many people are complaining about lot of stuff that doesn't need to be complained about and if you try to feel and understand the movie, you can. It will reveal it's deepness, give what it has to give. Pure subjectivity though.

And even if it is because of DoFP, Charles giving up the control of Phoenix take so much depth When your rember X3. Time travel and alternate realities always give those complex emotions of living again but not quiet the same. It is like a reconstruction, a rebirth. Combined with the Phoenix figure that's a blast for me.

Did you find Civil War deep?

 

[TheNewSlayer]

The movie was perfect for me.

Sure, I wish a few things were different but still was awesome.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Did you find Civil War deep?

Why do people keep bringing up Civil War? The movie was better critically, commercially, and every other way imaginable.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I LOVED the movie. But I wouldn't call the criticisms unfair.

I agree completely however some are taking it to a comical extreme.

 

[YoungBlood]

Why do people keep bringing up Civil War? The movie was better critically, commercially, and every other way imaginable.

He was asking a simple question, we all know it did well so why keep repeating it?

 

[YoungBlood]

The movies has flaws, many. He doesn't intended to be complex, as they say the second is always more "dark and complex". This movie balanced alot beetwen emotion and it is not something you see in super hero movie. They clearly headed to something more fun.

When you play with symbols it is by nature deep. What is deep doesn't need to be complex, it can be abstract. It is your way of feeling and experience it. The movie still had momentum where you could feel it more, cristalizing. Like the scene with Erik and Charles speaking through Cerebro or the end with Apocalypse in Charles' head and the liberation of the Phoenix.

I felt those moment to be catharsis. Maybe it doesn't work for everybody.

The main thing to me is that many people are complaining about lot of stuff that doesn't need to be complained about and if you try to feel and understand the movie, you can. It will reveal it's deepness, give what it has to give. Pure subjectivity though.

And even if it is because of DoFP, Charles giving up the control of Phoenix take so much depth When your rember X3. Time travel and alternate realities always give those complex emotions of living again but not quiet the same. It is like a reconstruction, a rebirth. Combined with the Phoenix figure that's a blast for me.

Did you find Civil War deep?

Sorry to say this but you won't get an honest answer because some will see it as an attack or criticism.

 

[ApophènX]

Why do people keep bringing up Civil War? The movie was better critically, commercially, and every other way imaginable.

Because it had some common thematic. Memory and family. When Tony loose control it is really looking like Erik's rage, same reasons. Captain America is the empathic figure in opposition as is Charles for Erik.

Bringing a political matter and explaining it through psychological cause, here control over memory and people from suffering, is the same thing Apocalypse is doing (in fact X-Men always did). And those are the same subject in both movie.

Civil War is less about woman and giving them back the power though. The movie ends differently and of course there lots of difference but if you look for similitude you will find them

 

[ApophènX]

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Sorry to say this but you won't get an honest answer because some will see it as an attack or criticism.

CW is deep in it's won way. In fact my view on movie is: every movie is based on reality, reality is deep. You will find deepness everywhere.

It is interesting to me to see why people prefer a kind of way to bring the depth over the other. It seem to me we are in a really logical and scientific era. We relly a lot on language, language being a segmented way to bring abstract concept, and you can see a fair shair of people when things are not told them or explained they think it is not ok. Even if the information was there on another form.

 

[Weather Witch]

I think neither CW or Apocalypse are really deep movies in their own right, but rather as a part of a series of movies. CW has such a big effect because we have seen these characters and we know how much they care for each other. On the X-Men side of things I really agree with the example mentioned earlier about X3 and Phoenix for example.

 

[Flint Marko]

Did you find Civil War deep?

Not particularly, no. But I don't think a movie has to be "deep" for it to be great, which CW certainly was. I think it was thematically richer than any other CBM this year, and it posed some interesting questions, but it didn't have a profound effect on me or the way I view the world.
But I feel like I need to say, I find the word "deep" to be pretty crude in this context.

 

[ApophènX]

Well there is surely different kind of "deep" and many appreciation for them

 

[Xrated48]

Yup, I totally agree. TDKR is by NO means on TDK's level but damn, did I have fun with that movie and ended up loving it just the same, just not AS much as the masterful TDK. That's how I feel about DoFP and Apocalyspe. X:A is not on DoFP's level and isn't as tightly paced and constructed as it but it still struck all the right geek cords with me and made me a very happy X-Men fan.

Admittedly, maybe going in with low expectations helped. I kept waiting for the movie to fall apart and disappoint me and it exceeded my expectations.

I felt the same way after seeing X-Men Apocalypse.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Why do people keep bringing up Civil War? The movie was better critically, commercially, and every other way imaginable.

Tall poppy syndrome.