Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[2kt09]

No.. but you know studios don't get 100% of the money right?
They get 50% in USA, around 30-40% from the rest of the world and around 25% from China.
So yeah, the movie hasn't broke even.
Considering as I stated above, they made only 77m from DoFP's 750m

Yeah, just edited my post.
You also stated that 77m was "rumored"
50m less than your projected break even point if my math makes sense going by the rumored profit

 

[superweirdo87]

Тhey won't give the rights. They will try to make a Sony-similar deal. And Marvel will refuse.
That's it.

I don't think Fox would try to make a Sony-style deal. And there is some stuff in it for Marvel. One thing Marvel gets criticized for is having weak villains. Kevin Feige has talked about how the X-Men have good villains. The Russo brothers have also talked about how much they like Wolverine. Marvel has been able to do a lot with characters that are not well known, so they may feel good about their ability to do a lot with the X-Men. There would also be opportunities for big cross-over events like "Avengers Vs. X-Men." Finally, they lose Iron Man and Captain America after Infinity Wars.

There are downsides, as Marvel has its hands full, and there are a lot of characters to move around. They might be wise not to take it on. But, I think Marvel might not flat-out refuse a Sony-style deal. Marvel would consider it.

Feige in 2012
"“Well, look, clearly we would prefer everything be at home, so to speak...Would we like to have them [Spider Man, X-Men, F4] all back? Sure.”

The MCU stars also say they want the X-Men in the MCU.

 

[superweirdo87]

You all know that home entertainment, VOD, PPV, and TV rights are sources of revenue right?

the 77M is an estimate based on models.

http://deadline.com/2015/03/x-men-days-of-future-past-profit-box-office-2014-1201389620/

 

[superweirdo87]

220 production
135 marketing
60 residuals/overhead/interest/off-the-tops
70 participations
40 home entertainment
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525 total costs

380-390 in revenue
190 theaters (exhibitors take 45-50% in North America, 75% in China, and around 61% in the rest of the world)
90 home entertainment
55 foreign tv
40 domestic tv/ppv/vod
5-10 merchandising tie-ins
380-390

 

[Double B]

What is this nonsense narrative being concocted that a film can't half fulfilling character arcs, social commentary and pathos whilst still delivering blockbuster action? The two aren't mutually exclusive and can be blended together. This film just didn't achieve that mix.

And quite frankly, even if they did, we all know it would only ever be for the core four (Wolverine. Mystique, Xavier and Magneto) and no one else, because those are the only characters Fox/Singer/Kinberg have given attention to.

 

[superweirdo87]

Some people always try to spin a creative shakeup after a dissappointing movie as something bad.

"BvS failed, so now WB won't take any risks!"

"XMA failed, so now they're gonna make generic movies!"

How about you blame the filmmakers for delivering a dissappointing movie instead of blaming people for being divided/not liking it?

I do blame them. Singer and Kinberg failed. A creative team shakeup is a good thing. But, Hollywood can take the wrong lessons from failure.

https://www.facebook.com/jgunn/posts/10153162287591157

 

[Sithborg]

220 production
135 marketing
60 residuals/overhead/interest/off-the-tops
70 participations
40 home entertainment
-------------------------------------
525 total costs

380-390 in revenue
190 theaters (exhibitors take 45-50% in North America, 75% in China, and around 61% in the rest of the world)
90 home entertainment
55 foreign tv
40 domestic tv/ppv/vod
5-10 merchandising tie-ins
380-390

Thing is, you can move revenues and expenses around to make a project more or less profitable. To be frank, only the studios now, but the world wide number is a nice way to convince shareholders and potential lenders that it is okay to spend what they spend on making a movie.

That said, Apocalypse seemed to hold nicely against Warcraft, dropping about 42% from Tue to Wed. Considering it was likely losing over half its screens, I will call that a success.

Nice bump domestically for Tue, making $3 mil. Should be around $127 going into the weekend.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That's exactly what they did this go-around.

You just described this movie.

There weren't any dramatic plot points in this movie. So horrible story + horrible action = horrible movie

The wire work from 90's Super Sentai was better than this horrible wire work in this movie. The fighting was extremely basic you swing then I swing. And the story was ridiculously cliche and convenient and incredibly predictable.

See. I don't get this. All these people complain about it being "too boring" and "not enough action" then you guys say it's some big, dumb action fest.

I'm sorry, this just isn't true. You can have your opinions about the quality of the story, action, etc... but there were plenty of dramatic plot points, lots of intense character development, plenty of quiet moments that weren't based on action. Singer just can't seem to do anything right in certain people's eyes.

 

[kguillou]

That's what gets me, too. I mean, I do not wanna knock anyone's opinions but this film was very character orientated, especially in the first half of the movie where they were very restrained on the action front. The characters were very likeable, Mccavoy was back to his charming First Class self, Magneto's story was incredibly dramatic and tragic...I guess those character moments just didn't connect with some people for whatever reason.

I feel like this is a TDK/ TDKR situation where the second entry was SO good and struck such a cord that when the third movie ended up not being AS good people see it as a disappointment, even if it is a good solid movie in its own right.

 

[DavidHaller]

the movie was just very bad. that's the problem!

the action scenes were horribly choreographed, lackluster as hell and without any creativity. the character moments felt melodramatic (!) and most character motivations were simply non-existent. The tonal shifts felt extremely awkward throughout the entire movie.

this whole thing felt like Singer simply does not give a **** about it anymore and only did it because he was bound by contract...

Just a huge disappointment...let's hope we will get a new better X-Men group movie ASAP!

 

[jaymes_e06]

It was nothing of the sort people are being silly and carried away with hyperbole.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

the movie was just very bad. that's the problem!

the action scenes were horribly choreographed, lackluster as hell and without any creativity. the character moments felt melodramatic (!) and most character motivations were simply non-existent. The tonal shifts felt extremely awkward throughout the entire movie.

this whole thing felt like Singer simply does not give a **** about it anymore and only did it because he was bound by contract...

Just a huge disappointment...let's hope we will get a new better X-Men group movie ASAP!

Idk what the hell they were watching but this movie was plain bad.


"IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME!?"

Hell no

 

[DavidHaller]

no hyperbole. Just a VERY BAD movie mess! It is not ridiculously bad as 'Batman vs. Superman' but it is still a big miss.

for me this whole movie broke entirely apart with Quicksilver's scene. Everything after this scene was a catastrophy and deserves all the critique it gets!

 

[Mad Ones]

That's what gets me, too. I mean, I do not wanna knock anyone's opinions but this film was very character orientated, especially in the first half of the movie where they were very restrained on the action front. The characters were very likeable, Mccavoy was back to his charming First Class self, Magneto's story was incredibly dramatic and tragic...I guess those character moments just didn't connect with some people for whatever reason.

I feel like this is a TDK/ TDKR situation where the second entry was SO good and struck such a cord that when the third movie ended up not being AS good people see it as a disappointment, even if it is a good solid movie in its own right.

Not to mention Cyclops' enrolment and Jean's nightmare. Tons of character moments in this movie.

 

[kguillou]

Wow, I just do not agree with any of that. "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME?!" That delivery really struck a cord with me and I felt for the character and that is entirely thanks to Fassenbender's believable acting.

To me, the action was awesome, the quicksilver sequence was incredibly fun and the climactic battle finally, FINALLY showcased what the Xmen could do when they unleash their powers which is something we have NEVER seen in any of the prior entries. I was so filled with glee to see these guys finally show what theyre capable of against a powerful foe, again, something we've never seen in an X film before.

But, I guess to each his own.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Not too mention Cyclops' enrolment and Jean's nightmare. Tons of character moments in this movie.

The Jean/Professor bedroom scene was really creepy borderline inappropriate

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wow, I just do not agree with any of that. "IS THIS WHAT YOAU WANT FROM ME?!" That delivery really struck a cord with me and I felt for thw character and that is entirely thanks to Fassenbenders believable acting.

To me, the action was awesome, the quicksilver sequence was incredibly fun and the climactic battle finally, FINALLY showcased what the Xmen could do when they unleash their powers which is something we have NEVER seen in any of the prior entries. I was so filled with glee,to ser these guys finally show what theyre capable of against a powerful foe, again, something we've never seen in an X film before.

But, I guess to each his own.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Wow, I just do not agree with any of that. "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME?!" That delivery really struck a cord with me and I felt for the character and that is entirely thanks to Fassenbender's believable acting.

But, I guess to each his own.

His family died by the world's strongest arrow in the worlds most telegraphed refrigerator scene. Blah

 

[Mad Ones]

The Jean/Professor bedroom scene was really creepy borderline inappropriate

She was borderline accidentally choking him. Xavier sitting on her bed shows that he isn't afraid of her and trusts her. He's showing vulnerability and empathy. But if your mind goes there I can't help you

 

[fallenAngel]

That's what gets me, too. I mean, I do not wanna knock anyone's opinions but this film was very character orientated, especially in the first half of the movie where they were very restrained on the action front. The characters were very likeable, Mccavoy was back to his charming First Class self, Magneto's story was incredibly dramatic and tragic...I guess those character moments just didn't connect with some people for whatever reason.

I feel like this is a TDK/ TDKR situation where the second entry was SO good and struck such a cord that when the third movie ended up not being AS good people see it as a disappointment, even if it is a good solid movie in its own right.

I feel like a TDK to TDKR comparison is pretty apt. One is clearly better put together, but the other is a bit more fun and loose.

 

[Xrated48]

The Jean/Professor bedroom scene was really creepy borderline inappropriate

How was that creepy, Charles in Jean's mind is like a father figure to her. They are connected to each other they share similar abilities.

 

[kguillou]

Yup, I totally agree. TDKR is by NO means on TDK's level but damn, did I have fun with that movie and ended up loving it just the same, just not AS much as the masterful TDK. That's how I feel about DoFP and Apocalyspe. X:A is not on DoFP's level and isn't as tightly paced and constructed as it but it still struck all the right geek cords with me and made me a very happy X-Men fan.

Admittedly, maybe going in with low expectations helped. I kept waiting for the movie to fall apart and disappoint me and it exceeded my expectations.

 

[henzINNIT]

You should go back and read my posts on the matter because I've explained it. Yes the OT have a nostalgia feel to them because they are the originals BUT as SuperT said you put any actor in the role as long as their favorite character is represented right and actually apart of the story it will still get the same amount of love. I love Storm not Halle Berry or Alexandra Shipp so as long as she is shown right I'm more than happy. The problem lies with people thinking they are the end all be all when as was stated a big draw for XMen was Wolverine because of how awesome Hugh Jackman did with the role as well as Stewart and McKellan. The sales dip isn't a lack of the OT or the introduction of a new cast, yet a cluttered rushed movie with popular XMen relegated to silent henchman in order to give a villian who is fleshed out more oppurtunity to spread his wings and to some a certain someone leading the XMen.

It's generally agreed that Apocalypse is better than X3, however The Last Stand experienced unprecedented success despite being garbage. They both came out on a wave of good-will which should have boosted their numbers. They even featured mostly the same characters. If the cast doesn't matter like you say, surely the numbers would support that.

 

[fallenAngel]

Yup, I totally agree. TDKR is by NO means on TDK's level but damn, did I have fun with that movie and ended up loving it just the same, just not AS much as the masterful TDK. That's how I feel about DoFP and Apocalyspe. X:A is not on DoFP's level and isn't as tightly paced and constructed as it but it still struck all the right geek cords with me and made me a very happy X-Men fan.

Admittedly, maybe going in with low expectations helped. I kept waiting for the movie to fall apart and disappoint me and it exceeded my expectations.

Heh, yeah. When I was watching it I kept expecting the next scene to "jump the shark" so to speak. I felt nervous, and every time something cool happened I wondered if I was watching a different movie. By the time Weapon X showed up, I accepted that I was just having fun and as a fan it's showing me some stuff I always wanted to see in an X-men movie.

Me and my brother walked out with smiles on our faces. It was a combination of recycled ideas and ones that Bryan Singer never got around to the first time, but like TDKR, as and end to a trilogy, I felt perfectly satisfied.

It was the first time since the Avengers that I basically turned around and saw it again within 24 hours

 

[kguillou]

Heh, yeah. When I was watching it I kept expecting the next scene to "jump the shark" so to speak. I felt nervous, and every time something cool happened I wondered if I was watching a different movie. By the time Weapon X showed up, I accepted that I was just having fun and as a fan it's showing me some stuff I always wanted to see in an X-men movie.

Me and my brother walked out with smiles on our faces. It was a combination of recycled ideas and ones that Bryan Singer never got around to the first time, but like TDKR, as and end to a trilogy, I felt perfectly satisfied.

It was the first time since the Avengers that I basically turned around and saw it again within 24 hours

Nuff said, bro. My exact feelings.